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Microsoft has publicly attacked Google Chrome, accusing its arch web rival of compromising user privacy with the browser's data-gathering address bar. In a video posted to Microsoft's TechNet site and tagged with the title Google Chrome Steals Your Privacy, Internet Explorer product manager Pete LePage uses a web traffic logger …

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SRWare Iron

I mainly use SRWare Iron, which is basically Chrome without all the dodgy bits. At least with open source we have the means to analyse and remove the nasties properly. Some may feel uneasy accessing their on-line banking through a relatively unknown browser, but I feel a darned sight more confident about my data privacy and security with Iron than I would with IE.

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Privacy v Features

So Google makes a browser crafted around the method of information discover they understand the most. Don't like it? don't use it.

Someone should point MS in the direction of Iron

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRWare_Iron

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Doesn't in incognito mode

And there's an option to turn the suggestions off.

I fail to see the problem here.

It does seem quite typical of Microsoft to spin "we don't have this feature" into "Google is stealing your privacy!!" though.

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A propos spin

It's a little like their adverts for Bing that they're running now. Their search engine is crap at finding results, so they try to make a virtue of this by claiming it's anti "information overload"

heh. Funny funny. Information underload.

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Pot meet kettle

Wow, coming from them? GTFOH! Really???

The last time i looked MS and Facebook got together to share my contacts in my hotmail account. I don't use F-book much or really at all. I just use crap info in my profile anyway. Some of my friends sent me an invite so i obliged. What i was completely stunned by was how facebook got a copy of my contacts and was recommending them as people to send invites to.

So MS you talk about browser privacy, but fail to mention your "Partnership" with a company who is even less interested in privacy than you or Google. I didn't give you permission to give it to them so how do you protect me and my privacy by giving F-book a list of my friends?

If rigged browsers give Google and i'm sure Bing very soon surf profiling information WTF do you think giving F-book my friends email addresses does????

Gives them a way bigger profile on who I am than what i do on the internet, MORONS!

Funny thing is they also fail to mention that their wonderful browser (any version) IS the most targeted app on the 1 billion puters by scumware makers and distributors in history. "We don't collect it but we make it easy for others to"

MS Go pound salt!!!

I'm going to go pound a few drinks!

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woah!

"Microsoft believes your browser is yours..." -- NO THEY DON'T! LOL Or else we could customize it the way WE want, like Firefox, e.g.

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WTF?

Chrome/SWiron and dodgy connections

I tried both and found that on some sites with https login that the browser also connected via https to Google owned servers at the same time. No other browser I use does that on the same sites.

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Grenade

so...

you can use Chrome and google will know things, or use ie 8 and the world + plus hid dog knows, but to security holes, glad i dont use either!!

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Or how wilt thou say to thy brother,

Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

Henri

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For a concrete example of how large - and intrusive - that beam can be,

check out Microsoft's «Guardian Angel» (http://preview.tinyurl.com/yc6smv3 )....

Henri

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Move On and Along Now, Nothing to See just Here for IT's Everywhere?

"For a concrete example of how large - and intrusive - that beam can be, check out Microsoft's «Guardian Angel» (http://preview.tinyurl.com/yc6smv3 ).... Henri" ..... mhenriday Posted Friday 2nd April 2010 12:59 GMT

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Coat

Yeah, riiiiight!

"Browsing the web is the number one thing Windows customers do when they boot up their PCs..."

So Solitaire has finally been ousted, then?

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Google Analytics

I work for a solution provider to a UK Government department. As part of analysing traffic that is going from this department out to the GSI, we found that daily we would be sending Gigabytes of traffic out to Google Analytics. GA are in the top 10 of bandwidth usage every day and we are now taking measures to block this traffic from eating part of our bandwidth.

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http://www.browserchoice.eu/BrowserChoice/browserchoice_en.htm

Less choice than you think!

you don't want IE8

you should avoid Chrome

Safari has been known to install Apple's installer updater that nags for iTunes

Some of the others are really IE8. One is maybe a rework of Firefox.

So Opera or Firefox, or if you like Safari, get an Webkit not by apple, say arora http://arora-browser.org

The browser choice is a strange collection on the 2nd group.

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All lies!

""Browsing the web is the number one thing Windows customers do when they boot up their PCs.""

I wonder how, exactly, they got that statistic? Surely not by collecting information from their users...

And it's convenient, how he forgets to mention the reason *why* Chrome sends that info when you type in the Omnibox, or the fact that IE8 was the 3'rd of the major browsers to include a privacy feature like "inPrivate".

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God forbid

that a company should ask people what they do with their computers. The horror!

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@dogged

Where does it mention anything about asking them for the info? In fact, there is a distinct lack of explanation for the statement. (Thus, my wondering about it.)

You can't exactly blame us for questioning Microsoft's statements after watching that little piece of fiction...

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Gosh

So Google knows what I search for. Big deal. So they fine tune their advertising? Even less important since I know how to block it. What I get is a very handy search/address bar and those suggestions are actually quite handy. They allow you to refine your search before you've actually executed it.

OTOH what do I get with IE8? A four of five second wait just because I asked for another tab, outrageous memory consumption and questionable security.

It's Chrome for me boys. Until IE9 at any rate.

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Linux

IE for me?

Thanks, Microsoft, for getting the news out. I don't think I'll be installing Chrome in the near future.

Of course, since I hate and despise everything to do with Windows and run only Linux, I won't be installing IE either.

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@Steve

Before you go writing Chrome off, I suggest you look into *why* it keeps sending the info you type. - The reason may well cause you to want to use Chrome. (A reason, by the way, which this video conveniently fails to mention.)

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Google is a thief

"Before you go writing Chrome off, I suggest you look into *why* it keeps sending the info you type."

No. It doesn't.

I should have right to shoot anyone just _trying to_ steal my privacy, no matter who is the person/corporation/state.

Google's CEO has much better perspective of Google's motives than you do and he's a thief by nature, only an total idiot would trust that kind of person _any_ data. About anything.

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Stop

IE is the only browser you are forced to buy

And the idiots at Microsoft actually think they are respecting the right of consumers to decide anything?

Anything except that the PURCHASE of IE is required.

Secret price and secret profits right into Microsoft bank accounts. But, the idiots actually claim to give the consumer a choice?

Unbundling of IE and uncommingling of IE is required if Microsoft ever expects to be taken seriously.

And Microsoft will never stop forcing the sale of IE.

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Big Brother

Too many people miss the wider issue here...

It always makes me chuckle. We have the far left, the pengiun huggers, pitted in an ideological battle against a monopoly laden far right, Microsoft. The Googe Gobblers can be found busily consuming their next load of Google goo anyhere along this spectrum. Those leaning towards the left often worship at The Church of Google and those to the right are often to naive to question the content of the Mountain View sermon. Of course, this is a sweeping generalisation, but the fact remains that, if someone wears only the colours of one side then they are incapable of taking part in a rational debate. A rational debate requires some form of neturality or unbiased opinion. Ultimately Google can no more be trusted with issues of privacy than Microsoft. To say otherwise is simply to demonstrate an amusing degree of ignorance.

However, I see the problem here as being of a wider nature and one that all sides fail to address each and every time that they start thowing their pengiuns or their monopolies out of their prams. To me all such privavcy issues are characterised by one overriding issue. The rights or wrongs of sending unsolicited communications back to the vendors network. It matters little why such traffic is being sent. What is important is that it is being sent, and that it is often being sent without openly or clearly asking for consent.

For me, any arguments about the motivations of either vendor are irrelevent. Neither party mentioned in the article can be trusted to be honest and open.

As for me? I am of the opinion that any communication channels between a software product and its vendor should be off by default, I believe that a default off state for all such communication channels - with perhaps the exception of software patches/updates - should be a legal requirement.

The issue at hand is not what a vendor does with any data they receive, but rather that they assume they have a right to this data in the first place. Address this issue adequately and the need for debate - such as we have here - is gone.

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