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Domain registrar GoDaddy is ending business in China after the country introduced new rules on registering internet domains. The decision only emerged yesterday when the company gave evidence to a Congressional committee. GoDaddy said it would continue to maintain existing .cn domains but would not take new registrations. The …

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Surveillance is bad, isn't it Sergey?

SB» Company founder Sergey Brin told the Wall Street Journal that the actions of the Chinese government brought back distressing memories of police surveillance in the Soviet Union - Brin's family emigrated in 1979 when he was six.

It's just as well that Sergey is not at all involved in surveillance and people-tracking at all now, is it? Or does selling stuff to people make it all right?

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Cut them off

If China won't allow freedom of speech on the Internet then I say cut them off. Deny China (and any other country that wants to do mass censoring) access to the Internet.

Put it this way we will have less spam, virus and hack attempts.

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Wow.

Mate, your being conned. Our government is looking at China thinking 'Brilliant. How can we get away with that?' at the same time pointing at China and say 'China bad, m'kay?'. As long as the useful idiots are jumping up and down shouting 'China bad! China bad!' it distracts the rest of the population from discovering that, in reality, were only a few steps behind them.

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Internet Death Penalty?

Unfortunately, if you were to disconnect every country that wants to do mass censoring, you soon won't have an Internet left.

Nice idea though.

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Suicide by Censorship ?

The irony. Penalise censorship with censorship.

According to Spamhaus top 10 worst spam producing countries;

1. United States

2 China

3 Russian Federation

4 United Kingdom

Still keen to cut off countries that permit spamming, viruses, and hacking attempts?

English speaking nations are no panacea. Australia overtly censors the net. USA and UK ISPs have induldged in covert and illegal mass communication surveillance.

One day politicians might learn, you can't censor human communication. As fast as you curtail one channel of communication another will replace it.

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Well done, doofus

Sigh, another gullible idiot who thinks this whole affair has *anything* to do with humanitarian aims.

Google has problems ramming their search engine down the throat of everyone in China, because the competition there is actually worth something, and happen to know how to work WITH the government instead of following the all "American way" of trying to bully a sovereign nation into following US law instead of its own. From what I can see from Streetview, Google's view on privacy doesn't differ that much from China's.

I don't like censorship, but seeing Google play what is total and utter BS because they can't afford to be seen to have lost in China is bloody irritating, and even more that some people actually buy this crap.

Google had zero, nil, nada problems fitting in with the model when they entered China - there was NO discussion when the walked into the place, so it makes this sudden conversion rather suspect. What was a dead giveaway was their "motivation" ("we've been hacked, so we want to go uncensored" Huh?).

Sure enough, when crunch time came, what happened - they didn't walk out at all, just weaseled out of their, *cough*, "commitment" by going sideways into Hong Kong. Oh, and get, *cough* "help" from the NSA. Whoehahaha, right.. HihihaHAHAHAHA.

Amazing that anyone actually buys this crap. Must be more Sun readers and Fox News watchers out there than I thought..

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@Suicide by Censorship ?

Sure. Lets stop at the top 3. No problem there..

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GoDaddy's tainted track record

GoDaddy and its multiple "insider trading" scandals or illegal customer lock-ins, tricks etc does not help me to believe it's anything other than a cynical PR stunt.

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title goes here

"Company founder Sergey Brin told the Wall Street Journal that the actions of the Chinese government brought back distressing memories of police surveillance in the Soviet Union - Brin's family emigrated in 1979 when he was six."

yeah its not like china was spying on/"disappearing" human rights activists etc before google got involved with them, most of come as a real shock when they started doing it recently not like they have form or anything

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watching capitalism hang itself

The old saying is a capitalist will eventually hang himself, with the rope he sells. Google, Godaddy, and anyone else that does or has done business in China knew the rules.

They thought one of two things were going to happen. Well it looks like they thought incorrectly and for companies like google to come out and make a circus of it all should represent itself in googles stock price.

China is communist okay. Do we understand what that means? Stupid Americans do not, they will continue to get in their escalades with their maxed our government mortgages going to walmart to get those Chinese goods. They know what China is, but it's cheap.

Google and GoDaddy both knew what China was, but it was a way to make a buck. I say +1 for China. I used to think China needed blocked but after running what should of been a 'safe google search' I ended up with nothing but smut and pornography.

I don't blame the Chinese for not wanting this in their homes.

And as far as goaddy goes, has this company ever posted a profit while it's been in business undercutitng everyone else with domain prices below normal cost for their 'competition'?

wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, im a monopoly and China kicked my ass.

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@deadlockvictim

It helps quite a lot that Google is not a government and has no authority whatsoever over any individual on this planet. It's just a company that provides goods and services, which you're perfectly welcome to not use if you don't want to. An authoritarian government can throw you in prison, or worse; Google can show you targeted ads. Not exactly in the same league.

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this is a business decision

GoDaddy runs a high-volume automated registrar platform. The new registration rules for .cn make it simply uneconomic for them to continue selling them.

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Re: Well done, doofus

"Google has problems ramming their search engine down the throat of everyone in China, because the competition there is actually worth something, and happen to know how to work WITH the government instead of following the all "American way" of trying to bully a sovereign nation into following US law instead of its own."

Not bloody likely. In fact, what Chinese gov't department are you with? Because this "politicization" smear is exactly what the state controlled media has been reporting all week.

But the net in China is politicized already. You can only put stuff on the Internet that the gov't allows. Just like all newspapers and TV stations are fully or partially owned by the gov't. And always fully controlled. Include what stories to run. If anything, Google is arguing for DE-politicization, where the gov't doesn't dictate every aspect of acceptable content.

And this "Google failing is the real reason", excuse is pretty thin too. Google's properties were huge in China. But China has been blocking so much lately. Youtube. Facebook. Filckr. A friend iin China was trying to post some pictures of her holiday. No major photo sharing sites work anymore. There is huge underground feeling in China, that the gov't has trashed the Internet. And this was before Google moved out. I can only imagine how the citizens are grumbling now.

The fact is, Google saw the writing on the wall. Even before the "hack" attempts began, Facebook, Flickr, and Twitter were pretty much continuously blocked. China was worried about issues during the Tibetan New Year. And then Youtube, which is a Google property got blocked. It is pretty clear that anything useful or interesting was going to get blocked. Unless you want to watch amateur Japanese "sharking" videos, the Internet in China is a wasteland.

There just isn't a business for Internet company's in China. Regardless of what you think of Twitter, no one can deny its impact. Can Twitter exist in China? Flatly, no. You can't have people instantly sending unfiltered messages from their phone to a public webpage. That is a broadcast. That is not allowed. That means the company can't exist in China. Yes, Baidu and QQ do alright, but the services they are offer are stilted and crude in comparison to what you get here. And mostly inaccessible to non Chinese readers too. But they are also suspected of breaking various Internet laws on porn and illegal music, quite extensively, but nothing that criticizes the gov't of course. B the authorities look the other way, because various other officials also own portions of these companies. See how it works?

The Internet is China is so ridiculous. I'm not sure why even bother. The Beijing city officials decided to limit dog licenses. Ok, fine. No problem. But a debate began on various bulletin boards. That lasted several days. Then the city officials sent a broadcast alert to all the bulletin operators to close all threads about dog licenses. Complying with the law is one thing. But the "law" changes with the whims of the leaders. And even low level city leaders can order takedowns of anything they want for any reason.

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Misunderstanding

You seem to assume that like for rich, overfed Westerners, the main problem in the average Chinese person daily routine is how to share what he had for breakfast or how his own farts smell, and that they'll take to the streets if they can't.

Most Westerns simply can't understand that the way the Internet is used in China is different than the way it is in the West, and people are not missing what never was part of their habits in the first place.

For those who can afford it, they are a very much online society, and that won't stop.

Also, one thing that escapes many is that there is nothing like THE Government. There is the Central Government, and then a myriad of local governments levels. Their interests are not always the same, and the Central one certainly enjoys discussion boards where citizens can talk about corrupted local officials. Those, in contrast, try to locally muffle those sites.

All those nuances are always lost in the Western media reports, for some reason...

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