The Hull Daily Mail has put itself in the frame for an investigative journalistic award of the highest standing after exposing a local website owner who'd designed "thousands of hardcore pornography websites". Paul's Smith's HU17.net is an innocent enough affair offering info on the picturesque town of Beverley. So well regarded …
Hull Daily Mail
As an East Yorkshire native who lives in the HDM's catchment area I'm pleased to see that El Reg didn't make the mistake of calling HDM a newspaper, everyone who lives locally know's the HDM's only function is to provide disemination for Blunderside Police and the outer wrapping for fish and chips.
As another East Yorkshire native
I can assure you that this rag is not worthy of wrapping Bob Carver's excellent chips.
Now, if the HDM were being used for wrapping fish and chips that *would* be news worthy - it hasn't been allowed for a generation.
The Mail is getting absoloutely slated on their own website....especially as they run ads for escort services and premium rate chat lines....
People in Galss houses and all that..
No, this is Humberside...
Glasshouses is in North Yorkshire.
Humberside no longer exists as a county.
It's East Yorkshire on the north bank of the estuary.
guy earn's a few quid for coding porno sites
I of course would never look at porn or anything associated with porn.... just like the other 20% of the people on the hinterweb that manage a whole day with out typing ' mature housewives dressed as traffic wardens'
Of course if they wanted to out somebody they could look at their London namesake that never pays any UK tax on their profits... or their Boss Dirty Desmond!
it's the Express that Desmond owns
'mature housewives dressed as traffic wardens'
I've never searched for that before!! Thanks for the tip...
Oh good grief, again
I wouldn't really care if the same company designed sites for the playboy channel and mothercare, so long as they're able to keep the two separate. What has this to do with anything?
On a more common note, how is this different to newsagents selling both "top shelf" magazines and kids comics? In fact the newsagent thing is worse since they're all physically in the same location, whereas the design efforts for web sites don't have any such connection between separate sites they develop. You could go further and consider such publications as the Sport to be pseudo-top shelf stuff.
£250 for a design??
That is cheap. I hope none of my clients see that. They'll want a refund.
For the £250 he wanted from the escort he could have had 'O' (with CIM) and then 'A' levels. Maybe he should have done some sort of market research and then done some bartering.
What is the problem here? Designing legal websites about porn? I know a web designer who has a respectable local business designing websites for local businesses. He also runs another more smutty (but legal) business which he keeps separate.
I don't see why there is an uproar, he has done nothing wrong. And their investigative journalism was to ask him if he would design a website if they paid him? They asked him to do his job and he agreed? Oh no, better warn the public about this guy, clearly he should not be allowed to use his web design skills to earn a living.
Not only that...
But he is also using HU17 for the name of his business...clearly in violoation of the Royal Mail's copyright of postcodes!
How dare he!
nice work if you can get it
> the question is just what purpose does its exemplary investigative journalism serve?
that should be fucking obvious. a hack on the local rag was able to spend a couple of days in the office looking at porn *and got paid for it*.
is the paper hiring? free smut on company time should attract a good pool of applicants.
paris icon because she's yet to feature on hull's porn sites.
Man Doesnt Break Law Shock!!
Really, do the the reporters at Hull Daily Mail have nothing better to do?
The guy makes a legitimate living, pays his taxes (presumably) for doing something legal and they're complaining? Fair enough they're porn sites but he's only designing the website, not filming the content for goodness sake. Even the HDM states that the activites are legal.
And, as posted on the HDM website, the paper itself has numerous adds for escorts, brothels and more 'spicy' viewing material. All of which could be accesible by anyone willing to pay the 40p or whatever it is to buy a copy of the paper. Even those under 18. Maybe we should compain the the Press Complaints Commission that they're making porn and sex available to minors?
If I was this guy Id be seriously considering legal action against the paper.
Talk about a "hit piece". I am stunned that a newspaper would stoop this low, well maybe not that stunned. Hurry up and die newspapers, seriously, die please.
... the people of Hull must be feeling *so* happy that they have got a newspaper like this selflessly defending them from perversion!
(The fact that their Classified Ads section contains ads from Escort Agencies is an irrelevant detail, of course...)
Quite funny coming from a "newspaper"/"website" with a escort section in is classified ads pages (would have passed the link but the link is extremely long, and I don't really want to generate them any traffic)
Oooo, what to write for a title. Nope, can't think of a thing.
Heh, despite promising to remove offensive messages, this early one still remains:
"Paul knocked up a couple of site for me - some travel sites, tours of Bangkok and the region, that sort of thing.
Paul Gadd, Not tellin yer "
Given their floor-scrapingly low tolerance level for 'offensive' surely that would qualify with bells on.
They're slagging El Reg off in the comments!
"Interesting that a real news media site the register has picked up on the amatuer HDM lol" says one well-informed commentard! Real? News? When?
Great reaction on the HDM comments to that sorry mess masquerading as a news article, restores my faith in humanity.
Am I the only one who smells litigation in the air?
If I were him,
I'd be looking at my legal options. This is absolutely shocking use of 'journalism'
And yes, I think i'm going to ring that number and complain. I think we all should.
not just him...
HDM mentioned that he'd advised Graham Stuart, the local MP, about his website. Didn't bother to confirm anything with mr MP, just printed his name in the story.
Result - one MP with the hump.
Beverley Minster's verger has some out in his favour. wonder how long the HDM's Beverley offspring will continue to host the "Mr Minster" blog...
Stop press : Man legally designs websites for legal businesses.
What next, the Hull Daily Mail goes after the inland revenue for profiting from the proceeds of non-crime?
Looks like HU17 has died under the load... Pity the same can't be said for the "newspaper" (word used in it's broadest possible term).
Ban this filth!
Well, unless we're making money from it.
The publisher of the Hull Daily Mail is, or certainly was until recently, more than happy to take adverts from Escorts and other forms of "adult entertainment". So I'm guessing they're just trying to protect their revenue by stopping escorts from being able to advertise their services in anything that they don't control and profit from.
This is one of the comments:
If the mail considers the exposure and inevitable subsequent vilification of this individual coupled with the certainty that he will lose business, and his status he has risen too newsworthy, then why does the mail carry advertisements for massage parlours, escorts, transvestites etc. Surely the Mail are making their money in exactly the same way. It's just shere hypocrisy. Although it is entirely un-related, it reminds me of the current healthy diet nonsense wherein Supermarkets peddle "slightly salted crisps" , so in order to taste them you have to buy some salt. If they were that concerned about the dangers of excessive salt consumption they wouldn't sell salt at all. And whilst we're on the subject of ludicrous anomalies, what is all this rubbish about "You can't buy alchohol unless you look 25" when did the legal alchohol age go up from 18 to 25 I don't remember it. What ever happened to commonsense? I expect people will be trying to convince me that the moon isn't made of green cheese next
Not sure about the mail's moral stance, on this, it sounds like hypocrisy to me
No one should make money from this filth!
Unless it's us.....
The Hull Daily Mail's publishing company certainly used to take adverts from escorts and all sorts of other adult services such as swinger's clubs.
So I guess they're just trying to protect their revenues by stopping escorts spending their advertising budget with anyone but them.
All he does...
All he does is sell generic website templates... he didn't actually make any porn sites.
BTW, has anyone noticed that the Hull milkmen are deliverying milk to the same strumpets in question at their OWN HOMES, and then DELIVERING MILK TO SCHOOLS!!!! Even with the very same trucks, and without having returned home, burned their clothes, and showering!
My god, does no one realise that those strumpets have koodies, germs, ticks, and fleas? Those milkmen might have even seen them IN THEIR ROBES!!!
And who knows what happens to the vegetables on the truck when Acado deliver groceries to those same strumpets...shudder.
Please, we need proper investigative journalism to prevent this from becoming something that threatens the very moral fiber of our children...please, hurry...
"images of women dressed as schoolgirls being spanked".
That's the next Playmobil reconstruction sorted.
Say no more! SAY NO MORE!
Probably has a swedish wife, too (wink, wink, nudge, nudge)
I will have to inspect these stern schoolgirl correctional facility sites to make up my own mind though.
I always knew that he was a prognosticator and a procrastinator! And that he came from a family of THESPIANS!!!1!!1!!!11
Please excuse me for a few moments while I write a strongly worded letter to the authorities.
And the smut sites are offensive because...
I have to assume there is some non-smut reason for all the outrage. Perhaps the web sites are offensive in some remotely relevant way.... Do they use tables for layout? Do they fail to validate as valid HTML? I just don't get it.
They're IE6 only...
Burn him at the stake!
I've just found this on the bottom of another article
"However, there is nothing to suggest any of the websites are illegal.
Illegal pornographic websites include those where children are involved."
I mean just WTF are they on?!
I see people are complaining.
I'd be tempted to type a few words to the PCC myself, just so it gives backing to his inevitable lawsuit against them.
Worse still in one of the many articles (3 on the same "story"??) it tries to imply association with kiddie fiddling:
"However, there is nothing to suggest any of the websites are illegal. Illegal pornographic websites include those where children are involved."
Registered my complaint. Presumably they only do something about it if Paul does also.
"moist schoolgirls" ???
Thank goodness for him that he doesn't write for el Reg, eh!
Or, maybe he does? Mr. Smith, are you here?
I like Mary !
In the one agency still advertising in the rag.....
When I become king...
... The Daily Mail and all subsidiaries will be required to have a large (at least quarter page) box on both front and back pages stating in large red font :
"The Daily Mail repeatedly published stories in support of Nazi Germany and fascist organisations at home and abroad. It has repeatedly been accused of racism and homophobia as well as prosecuted for libellous falsehoods on numerous occasions.
This is a free country and you are perfectly entitled to get your news from whatever source you choose, just be aware that by purchasing this you are saying that your preferred choice is to be lied to by bigoted Nazis."
...........wait for it.......
Thank you, Mr Godwin.....
no no no
Godwin's law does not apply here Figjam, as they aren't comparing the Dailt Mail to the Nazis hyperbolically. The Daily Mail really are nazis. They have printed numerous pro-fascist stories over the years including ones in support of the German Nazi party in the run-up to World War 2 and celebrating Oswald Mosely the notorious British fascist.
Invoking Godwins law in this context would be like invoking it whenever someone says 'I don't vote BNP as they are a bunch of nazis' or 'I dont think you should call your baby Adolph as that was the name of a famous nazi'.Godwin s law does not preclude actually describing real nazis as such.
Its a statement of fact, so not coverd under Godwins law. The DM are the only mainstream British paper ever to suport a fascist movement.
And in the spirit of the Daily Mail
the Hull Daily Mail constantly fails to moderate racists comments from any of it's comments section and allows active promotion of the BNP in it's comments sections. It really is an embarrassment.
...cue the Godwin's Lawyers?... It's Merely Memetic
From my limited understanding, Godwin's Law was actually:
"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."
I made no statement about the veracity of your comment, merely pointing out that the discussion must have passed that magical point at which Nazis were mentioned.
For the record, I thought it appropriate, but humorous and ironic enough to mention Godwin.
Just to add my own layer of (albeit inept) irony, of course.
If there is still an official Nazi Party, and the Mail or their editors are actual members, surely that would lead to some inditement? Possibly prosecution?
I appreciate Fascism is no joke, but it is present in many forms, on many forums. To the extent it is covered by freedom of expression, this is something we must all endure - but not silently.
Once more, apologies if I caused offence, it was not meant.
PS I would LOVE to see newspapers called out on their previous political stances, especially the discredited ones.
.....the greatest shock of all will come where they learn just where the schoolchildren of Hull came from.... The disgusting things their parents did to each other. Some of the even had the lights on and watched the whole thing. Some even ENJOYED this disgusting act. Shocking.
We should burn them alive, or tar and feather them, or something. Sweet Jesus what is the world coming to. Terrorists running amok, people with penises and vaginas, having sex.... Good Lord save us from these abominations.
Don't contact the Press Council
The Hull Daily Mail clearly states the procedure should you be unhappy with this (or any other) article in their 'newspaper' at http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/presscomplaints.html
Step 1. Contact the editor
Step 2. If you are not satisfied with the editor's response, THEN contact the Press Council.
Following the HDM's procedure unfortunately inconveniences them, but there is a proper way of doing things.
no smoke without fire...
no, i'm with the Dull Daily Wail on this one, the whole website's riddled with smut!
At least someone is making sense
I was particularly impressed by Councillor Kerri Harold, who shunned tradition by responding with some degree of common sense: "I understand he is not doing anything illegal. My personal view is I have no problem with it, but I don't know what residents think because I have not consulted them about this."
A rare display of decency from a politician - no doubt she will be summarily removed from her position for displaying such an outrageous stance.
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