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The merger of T-Mobile and Orange will go through, after the UK's Office of Fair Trading withdrew its request for time to investigate the deal. The OFT wanted to investigate on the basis that the merged entity would own an unfair proportion of radio spectrum, and that once it had merged with Orange T-Mobile would have little …

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Anonymous Coward

oh dear

This won't be good for the consumer, with a bit of luck they'll be a mass desertion to the other networks to balance things out a bit

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Anonymous Coward

Missed headline opportunity

Should have been Orange-T...

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Unhappy

That's what I said months ago

clearly these marketing types don't listen to reason!

I mean you could market it with actual Orange Tea. Their logo would be exactly the same but with a couple of chunks blacked out to make it look like an orange T- saving new logo development costs. Plus Orange Wednesdays could continue- but as Orange-T[uesdays]!

Compare that to T-Orange, which conjoures up no images at all. Stupid marketeers.

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Bad news

37 % of market share! I predict very soon a minimum monthly spend of 45 Pounds on a basic contract for 24 months.

Ofcom, instead of promoting competition, is hampering it. And the British public will pay over the odds now.

Ripoff Britain lives. Well done.

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RE: Bad news

Orrr it could drive costs down, with T-Mobile and Orange merging systems, RAN, staff etc they will save hundreds of millions, so in theory this will be passed onto the customer?

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Joke

@truCido

Hoooo, that's a good one :-) Cheers for the giggles.

Synergies from M&A are good for one thing - shareholder ROI. Customer sees diddly squat.

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Coat

All is good and agreeable in your eyes

Perhaps Jane Austen has come back from the dead?

No, the customer will not see one penny of that savings unless the competition compells T-Orange to do so, which coincidentally was the state of affairs before the merger too.

Has anyone suggested that they call the thing O-Mobile? Think of the girly ads that would follow, aka Bond-style "Oh, Mobile!".

Now, where's me coat?

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market share?

I am not sure you can say that t-orange would be a giant and that O2 and Voda would be also rans. Sure there is a difference but it isnt as marked as you make out. the difference between the new first and second is less than the difference between the old first and fourth but they werent described as an "also-ran".

besides, having the largest market share of disgruntled customers may actually be a liability.

All they need to do is buy talktalk and all the rotten eggs will be in one basket.

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@ Bad News

After the merger we still have:

Three mobile networks - t/3/o, Voda, O2

three big brands on the T/3/o network (3, Torrange and virgin)

Two big brands on the O2 network (o2 and Tesco)

another virtual operator to come (TalkTalk)

and about a squilliion smaller virtual operators.

Still plenty of competition, more than enough.

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Oh great

T-mobile currently charges me 20 quid (total) for 6 months of pre-paid net access on PAYG. On Orange, that only buys me 4 weeks online. Anyone want to bet on the chances of the T-mobile tariff surviving the merger?

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Spectrum costs

"But the details of how Ofcom will auction off the spectrum if it does so, and what T-Orange will be expecting in the way of restitution, remain to be seen."

Well I'd say that since they had to pay through the nose for the spectrum originally, that they should get the same back from Ofcom now, since they are being forced to reliquish it. Any comments about it's value now being less than they paid before is mute, because it wasn't really worth what they paid in the first place!

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Re: Spectrum costs

It's not 3G spectrum they are handing back, it's 2G, at 1800MHz. The over-priced 3G spectrum they seem to be allowed to keep, which is surprising!

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The Other Venture Co.

Hmmmmm.

Naming themselves after the goblin company in World of Warcraft which is notorious for plundering the world's resources and dubious business practices is not necessarily their best idea ever.

see http://www.wowwiki.com/Venture_Co

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Coverage

T-Mobile were always the rubbish network who never quite complied with regulations quick enough, had major issues with mis-selling to customers, had a good sales department, but most importantly they've never had the network infrastructure to be the credible choice.

3's offerings are quite amazingly good, and the old days of no coverage are dwindling. T-Mobile were never a choice for most people who were fully aware the crap coverage meant they would miss calls often. The old free voicemail service they done was free for that very reason!

I'm sure as a bunch of techies reading this article we are all familiar with T-Mobile's infamous lack of coverage, even in zones where having a signal can still mean calls do no register properly. A couple of friends on T-Mobile in different cities still have this problem, which is even obvious when I'm on a night out with them and they can't even send texts whilst the other (better) networks do at least have a chance.

So, assuming more of orange's cell cites are maintained, and T-Mobiles decommissioned, I may consider the offers virgin-mobile have available, whereas before they were simply unviable given the low quality of the T-Mobile infrastructure.

This merger is a good thing for quality, although I agree it's possible prices may end up rising in line to vodafone/o2 prices. You get what you pay for though, MNVO's will still exist for those wishing a cheaper option.

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Can't say I have experienced any of this

Second year on T-mob and quite happy all around. Voice coverage everywhere I have been. Only time I had trouble was new years eve but Vodafone was swamped first.

Maybe the 'lack of coverage' was down to handset issues?

Not looking forward to Orange coming in, they used to be good but are now exepensive with dire customer service.

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Good Bye

i can't wait to leave T-Mobile in two months time....

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Competition

The Orange T-mobile merger (merger? It's akin to Sky/BSB.) Isn't dreadful for competition. The pricing maverick is 3 and that's what keeps the others keen.

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Minnow 3?

3 might be small but in the 9months I've been with them they've been light years better than o2 whom I was with for 7 years, better than Orange whom I was with for 1 year, better than T-Mobile and Voda (whom I was with for a couple of Months).

Only once in this last 9 months have I had no reception, and in fairness I didn't expect reception.

I get fast internet, free iphone tether (don't tell 3), loads of texts and minutes all for £25 a month, only downside I've found is they charge for mms! A small price to pay!

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New name

Mobzilla

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It'll be a shame

As I doubt we'll see amusing marketing like this http://orangefilmstudios.orange.co.uk/ from the new company.

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