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Microsoft will kill support for its unloved Windows Vista operating system a few months ahead of its Windows XP SP2 and Windows 2000 planned end-of-the-road-for-updates deadline. The company said yesterday that a Vista service pack-free OS will no longer get MS support after 13 April this year, leaving the flaky platform …

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About time

Come on - we are dealing with VERY antiquated systems that are truly past their prime.

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Vista?

What are you - comedian or idiot?

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No Worries Yet.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/help/end-support-windows-xp-sp2-windows-vista-without-service-packs?os=other

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"If you're running Windows XP with Service Pack 2 (SP2) and you're not ready to upgrade to Windows 7, you should install Windows XP Service Pack 3 (SP3), a free update. "

Support for XP SP3 will be around a while more.

By then Ubuntu will be at XP level of functionality :)

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i should hope not

i wouldn't want ubuntu to become slow, clumsy and failure prone.

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Incentives

"before wheeling out a list of “incentives” to convince consumers and businesses to upgrade their operating systems."

I hope that in the sake of fairness they said "If you don't want a pile of mouldering smegma try Linux next time"

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Words cannot describe...

...what an obvious, overcrowing bore of a loser you are.

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Misleading article

The article may be technically accurate, but it is misleading.

Windows 2000 is the only OS that will no longer be patched, security fixes or otherwise.

It is true that users of Vista and XP may need to apply a later service pack to maintain support, but the way the article is written some people could be forgiven for thinking that fixes are being completely dropped..

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Agree - This article was just trying to headline grab....

Ronseal.

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True

Exactly, complete headline grab. All this means is you need to install a service pack, then you're completely supported again.

If there is one thing Microsoft did right with XP/Vista/7 its the reliable support lifecycles which are pretty simple to understand.

- Stick to the latest SP, and you're supported for 5 years from launch entirely, then supported to some extent for 10 years.

Very few other companies offer this schedule and reliability and headline grabs as this seek to demonise Microsoft for taking a decade old product out of support and by telling people to upgrade their 4 year old version of vista with a FREE service pack.

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SP3?

When will that be EOL'd? I need to know how much more time I have to finish learning Linux, because there is no way I am throwing £150+ down for Windows7.

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XP SP3

@AC who asked about support length

Extended support for XP in all SP3 releases ends in mid 2014.

Windows XP x64 edition (not the Itanium version) follows the Windows Server 2003 support lifecycle and will therefore be supported until sometime in 2015.

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£150?

There's no way I'd pay that much for 7 either, that's why I paid £60 to amazon for a copy.

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Benefit

Suits me. I certainly won't miss those annoying 'updates are available' messages.

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Much Better...

...to have your machine become a pawn in some botnet, or perhaps start sending all your passwords to Nigeria.

I am sure the virus writers take great care not to annoy you with notices.

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Suits you sir

You also won't notice the trojans that infect your computer due to unpatched security flaws and steal your banking details. Suits you?

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Heh heh Awesome Post :D

at the other two nay sayers :/

He may just have antivirus and antispyware installed !!! SHOCK !!!!!!

or am i justified in thinking that you two belive windows with all the extra crap installed is secure just because it gets updates ??

my god those comments are born of fail lived of fail and will die of Fail ...

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Stop

Please...

Recalibrate your humour detector

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@Lionel Baden

You are incredibly naive if you believe that antivirus software can protect you from all past, present and future threats. In fact, signature-based antivirus software is entirely reactive, and is therefore useless against new and unknown malware.

Similarly, Windows updates alone aren't enough to protect your Windows PC from all threats. Installing OS updates and running an up-to-date antivirus solution and both essential layers of security. Neglect either one and you are exposing yourself to unnecessary risk.

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WTF?

huh?

why Nigeria? if anywhere, it'll be somewhere with a decent connection and a lot of people with loads of free time on their hands. Now i wonder who fits that bill...

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Big Deal

Some of us will be using linux by the that. I am since 2003 -- only use windows xp for office work, or study. As for our family? I bought them a mini mac, and they can surf the internet, and watch movies etc... without having to update this or that. I am not saying that the mac is perfect, but due to its minority status it much safer for less techy users.

Paris, Cause she doesn't need that many updating.

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Is this supposed to be a big story?

So MS won't support operating systems that haven't been upgraded with service packs? Big deal. Move along now - nothing to see here.

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Trees, watch out

Isn't it like Toyota saying "we can't fix your sticking accelerator pedal because your car is too old"?

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Using a car analogy

It is like saying "3 years ago, we issued a recall because of faulty engines, you chose not to bring your car in, and now we've expired the recall, as it costs too much to support! You had three years to get it looked at, and you refused for whatever reason. You want it fixed now, you have to pay"

Seriously, I am concerned that people expect continuously free support for software that is so outdated that it should be in a museum.

I guess you get the support you pay for!

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Even worse

It's even worse than that, in fact. It's more like "3 years ago we offered to replace the faulty engine in your car for free and you ignored us, but we've been continuing to support you free of charge anyway. Now we can't do that any longer, unless you let us replace the engine, which we're still happy to do completely free at any future point of your choosing."

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Not surprised

Vista has not one but two service packs. I don't think its unfair of MS to say that if you haven't applied them that they won't support you.

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Gates Horns

Complete reinstalls

are never necessary with windows, right?

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SP3

For those wondering about SP3 support ending, it's on 21/04/2010, months ahead of SP2 support ending. The reason being that SP2 end of support was an arbitary date whereas SP3 comes under the 24 month standard. This may be extended, but realistically Windows 7 is your best bet and has proven very stable and user friendly since release.

http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?LN=en-gb&C2=1173

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You've misread it - support ends in 2014

Try http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=3223

Support, including security hotfixes, ends in 2014. If you want non security fixes up until then you'll have to pay.

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best bet..

No, for security and reliability using Linux is a better idea !

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Re: best bet..

You should try a BSD. Things like security and stability are actually planned for, not just patched in later. And no marketers trying to push out buggy code just 'cause it's time to release again.

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For usability and functionality, use Windows!

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Why not?

the virus writers certainly do...

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But

will it turn me into a crashing bore who has to post continually about Linux all the time or were you and the others on this thread just unlucky?

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Thank you, Windows 2000, and good night...

I'll be sorry to Windows 2000 ride off into the sunset...hats off to one of (if not) the best releases of Windows ever.

I reckon that I'll keep running it for a while--it's not likely that AV software vendors are going to drop Win2k immediately and plenty of other software still works fine there as well. If it works, if a system is behind an external firewall, a third party browser is used and nothing's too broken--why fix it?

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@ Lusty

READ: Support ends 24 months after the next service pack releases or at the end of the product's support lifecycle, whichever comes first.

Key words "whichever comes first."

The link you posted says, "Windows XP Professional, 08/04/2014

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Gates Halo

Doen't Scare the Horses

I understand that XP SP3 Extended Support period is until April 8, 2014?

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The Solution Is Easy

“Microsoft believes it is important that all customers take action prior to the end of support date, not only so that they know their options and can prepare, but also to ensure their environments are as secure as possible,” said the company ....

I did. I bought a MacBook, and I'm delighted with it.

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Good solution

Other good ones - today ready GNU/Linux, FreeBSD

almost ready -

ReactOS (a almost ready drop in Win2000/XP API clone, but open sourced, coded neatly and w/o 95% of all the holes and bugs) -> this one may be ideal for Win2000 diehards once it's declared beta which for FOSS, unlike closed sourse, means pretty stable....

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Hell will freeze over...

...before I'd buy another POS Windoze O/S. Microsucks wouldn't know security if it hit them between the eyes.

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RE: Hell will freeze over...

Befoer I used LinSux . Windows 7 Ultimate is working great. It has a great UI and the security is impeccable. Office 2010 is also the best productivity software ever. Microsoft FTW.

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Only affects morons

Who doesn't apply Service Packs to their OS?

Only these people (i.e. morons) will be affected.

Why should MS continue to look after systems they've already essentially re-written and supplied for free?

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Re: Only affects morons

Without wishing to dispute that anyone still running XPsp2 is a moron, I don't actually see how the withdrawal of patch support will actually affect people who clearly don't apply patches.

And is "Vista without any service packs at all" even useable?

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Yay!!!!

Good riddance to Vista. Can we reclaim the unused milage out of it, the vast over pricing when it came out means I would at least expect the same support as XP. Afterall I didn't get a free upgrade to Windows 7 and only had it twelve months before moving upto Win7.

Then again Windows 7 is dreadful for me. Sick of problems with the flaky load of rubbish.

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There will no tears for Vista, anywhere

Vista, no-one will shed a tear.

its gone the same way as millenoium

Both over-hyped and crap on all counts.

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Still around for a while yet

Actually, Vista SP1 and SP2 are still supported and in reasonably wide use.

Anyone still running Vista without a service pack deserves everything they get.

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Microskoff

Me: I only use XP for some apps that ONLY work on Windoze......

Methinks:

Update the system.

Mirror a bunch of drives.,

Drop them in to back up and a couple of computers....

Keep them all OFF LINE forever - and not because of idiot Microsoft and their spyware; but because their shit software is so prone to getting hacked and whacked and jacked (off).

I only do it because MS and it's great innovations and worthless security - has cost me about 1000 X what the software cost me.

Bargain.

Not.

(Foot Note: Free Ubuntu has actually value added to my computing life - because I am not spending days on end scanning my system add infinitum because of all the Malware that flips all the switches in XP, that Microsoft does nothing about and it's worthless security is totally incapable of stopping anyway)

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Sandboxes

There's eight machines in the house and six have gone from XP to 100% Linux (Ubuntu and Debian), none of the prime users of the WinXP virtual image in a closed sandbox (the only safe way to run this companies OS'es IMO), two remain with Windows XP/Ubuntu and OpenSUSE/Win7 dual boots. WinXP is OK its finally stable after so many years...Windows 7 (which shipped with the unit) has already crashed, bluescreened and refused login, hence OpenSUSE was installed side by side to allow the data to be placed on a much safer system as well as provide recovery. If this is the latest and greatest of that other OS, there is NO WAY I'd recommend sourcing such a flaky system, LINUX thinclients all the way baby.....

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@ callmeshane 1

Another MS is useless rant, huh?

I have an eeePC, WiFi'd to a Livebox. When the computer is on, and in range, it is connected. I run Avast. I run Firefox with NoScript and AdBlock Plus and TACO just for privacy reasons. I browse sites, develop small web apps (PHP stuff), download things, watch programming on-line (like the Eurovision network broadcasts of the winter olympics).

The OS is XP SP3. PDFs by Adobe (with scripting disabled). YouTube et al by Flash. And I think carefully before I authorise anything to run on my machine.

Funny. I have had to reinstall zero times.

I have been hijacked zero times.

Malware/antivirus scanning takes time but reports nothing.

All these people screaming about how easy it is to infect, hijack, and destroy Windows - what the f**k do you people do? Or maybe you do nothing? Security is not the sole provenance of the operating system. Nothing is immune, so you - yes YOU - need to take some basic security measuress yourself:

1. External firewall. Most half-decent routers will do this. If you're using a cable modem you probably will have zero protection here. Sort it out, your first line of defence is a barrier between you and the world. Do NOT rely soley on a firewall program running on your machine. That should be one of your last lines of defence, not your ONLY one. For if a Bad Guy[TM] is able to attempt to crack your router... well... hell, they haven't made it to your computer yet.

But remember - he with the most firewalls does not win. It is only a part of the equation.

I'm going to make NO comment about running as "administrator" on a Windows machine. Microsoft cocked this up in the transition from Win32 (which had no levels) to WinXP (which does), hence a staggering number of things EPIC FAIL unless you are running with admin rights - some printers, some WiFi cards, a lot of software that doesn't need to be admin. Indeed, Window's own updater is silent if you are in a limited account (which suggests if you habitually log in as a limited user, you may miss important updates?). This is a big steaming heap of FAIL.

My mother knows little about security. She has a limited account so her effects are limited. I run with admin settings so when I want to play with the system settings or change the default printer, the machine doesn't start an argument with me. Because of this, and XP's default is to have everybody as admin (changed in Vista, but UAC is worse as too many inconsequential notifications and people will just click-accept without reading the message...) you have to be extra vigilant.

2. Don't install every blinky-flashy whoo-hoo piece of shit software that catches your eye. You have no idea how many ex-pats computers I've had to reinstall because their bloody children install EVERYTHING they can download (what the hell does a person need eighteen different animated mouse pointers for? and is one that's Lucky Luke twirling a lassoo going to be any good for knowing where the pointer hotspot is?).

When you look and see orgasmically-awesome software, go make a cup of tea. Ponder the question. "Do I really need this?". You probably don't. Some things are essential, some things will just become clutter.

3. Do not permit anything that feels like running on your system TO run on your system. The world and its donkey knows Adobe is massive fail. Yet somehow I succeed in running Reader and Flash with few worries. Why? It's because I blacklist anything that isn't specifically whitelisted. I don't look at PDFs from places that sound a bit 'dodgy', and to be honest I don't tend to visit those sort of places.

We all know the sex shop on the corner with the painted blue door. That doesn't mean we all go and look around...

4. Wwwwwaaaay too much software offers features that are counterproductive from a security viewpoint. Look at the options in your software. Is there stuff running JavaScript interpreters (i.e. PDFs)? Disable. How about phone-homes? Disable them. If you can't disable, don't use the software.

Major governments advise their citizens not to continue using any version of MSIE. Are you?

[I don't use IE8 because of standards non-compliance and lack of decent plugins]

5. Set your updates to "Notify but don't install". You are a moron if you consider it so much of a hassle to keep your computer up to date, however it is essential to not install automatically for three reasons:

a. Several installs require your computer to be restarted. This is not necessarily convenient. Some installs can be deferred until shutdown time. This may not be convenient when the machine is a netbook/laptop and you want to shut down quickly 'cos you're on the move...

b. You can choose to defer updating for a day of two to keep an eye on El Reg to see if there's anything odd in the update.

c. You get to pick'n'choose what you install. Like WGA and its horribly evil Win7 incarnation.

6. Antivirus. Essential. People will argue long and hard about which is best. My personal experience is Norton is like cancer (as I write this I'm Googling for error 9999,172 to see why the sodding uninstaller won't on a friend's machine).

I found AVG to report too many false positives. Once in a while is one thing, but AVG took it to the point of annoyance.

I won't touch Orange's antivirus product since I caused a scare at the local library back in 2007 (before I had ADSL at home). Big flashing on-screen logo complete with siren noises. What was "infected"? A _TEXT_ file that I was loading into Notepad to cut'n'paste into Yahoo! mail to email to a friend in Scotland. THAT was the infection. A sodding TEXT file. [ eventually had to put it inside a zip inside an encrypted zip and email that!]

So I choose Avast. Oh, wah! it's such a bother wah! to go to their website and wah! get a free licence key once a wah! year. FFS, if people can't be assed to do that, it makes me wonder what OTHER important things they can't be bothered to do. wah!

7. Be vigilant. Some evil bastard is always attempting to find ways to your computer so they can run clever and complicated distributed systems to leverage the weight of many against their chosen enemy, but it a religious war, a difference of opinion, or just good ol' fashioned blackmail. Botnets are evil, but then so are most immoral ways of making money. You can read all about it in El Reg.

(no number) While I have serious psychological issues with an operating system that offers the ancient hangover of a case sensitive filing system (my all-time pet hate of any form of Unix), not to mention I prefer the 'device' based filing system to a mount tree (it worked well under RISC OS, it is only Windows that offers such an icky implementation); there is one thing I absolutely cannot argue. That is, the downloading and creation of a LiveCD bootable version of xubuntu on an SD card with casper-rw so you don't need to set it up over and over. If you need to do any work with a site that may be compromised, or if you are a total tinfoil-hat freak, you can boot off the SD card, browse and save stuff to said SD card, then turn off WiFi and reboot into Windows. It is a totally sacrificial OS because reinstalling is totally point'n'click with the USB LiveCD installer, plus that casper 'partition' gives it persistence across sessions. For base security, you just can't get better than an entire OS running standalone off an SD card, that you can recreate with minimum hassle as and when you want.

Seven rules (and a comment) to maintain sensible security.

Yes, Ubuntu is - generally - an all-round better product.

But no, Windows is not THAT bad if you employ a modicum of intelligence.

Then again, if fixing your Microsoft machine cost you 1000 times what the software cost (as you say), then it suggests that not only would you appear to be incompetent to apply basic security measures, but stupid to boot - repair shops obviously see you coming and rub their hands in glee... or are you just exhaggerating for effect?

Security is not a state of budget or a technical innovation.

Security is not a "my OS is better than your OS" holy war.

Security is a state of being. Never lose sight of that.

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@heyrick

Nice run down of what to do with windows. The reality of windows is slightly different. Windows majorly fails in three key areas: the registry; this is a nice idea but is very badly implemented leading to bloated size and orphaned keys (mostly the fault of rubbish installers), IE; employing the same engine to browse the machine and browse the web inextricably linked ( major no, no) and the totally crap file system design that leads to chronic fragmentation within months.

Equal machines ( ie the same one) after carefully installing business software and few other apps on XP. After less than 6 months usage XP crawls and GNU/ Linux is still as if it were first installed. Sorry I have given up on MS sorting their act out and have finally returned to GNU/Linux after many years in the wilderness tempted by the solid W2K and this time I am staying put.

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count me out

of 'upgrading' to windows 7

Exactly why should I want to go through all the pain and hassle of installing a new operating system in this PC at the cost of £100 or however much a decent copy is.

If I wanted to do that I'd install linux again and have all that fun for free.

As for my copy of XP being owned by trojans and other such nasties that will steal my banking /credit card details and send them to China/Vietnam/or where ever the crooks are, thats exactly why I installed linux in the first place.

Note to M$ : I'll buy windows 7 when I get a new PC , not before, AND still instal a linux distro on a partion.

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