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How does Microsoft tempt students into its development tools bandwagon? By parking it outside the school yard and promising free love and software to the tiny tots. The Redmond giant is teaming up with industry standards body the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE) to give its student members gratis access …

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And why not...

Sounds like sound business sense to me. Get the into Microsoft products early. It's a win win for all... The students can buy more beer with their hard earned, and Microsoft get more exposure at the college/university level. Of course, those students will take their MS experience with them into the job market, post graduation.

I would imagine most companies will be pleased too... If their graduate engineers arrive complete with a couple of years MS dev tools experience, cool! They're already further up the learning curve.

Yep. Looks like win win win to me. Don't see any bad side.

Of the course, the open source boys won't be happy... "It's not fair" etc etc... Yeah, well, that's what you get when you give your stuff away for free... Nothing. Including no money to market your non-money-making 'product' to people with no money.

I'm the Java crowd would love to do the same thing, but... No money for marketing, since it's free anyway...

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Yeah...

...because RedHat is broke. Pfft.

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Gates Horns

Only as far back as XP?

So my hopes of getting install disks for Windows 2-point-something in order to try to "grandfather" a Logitech ScanMan handheld scanner up to 98SE are for naught? I'm sure it would be an extremely educational experience. I've already learned never again to buy Logitech hardware.

I would like to have a legal copy of XP Pro to play with, though.

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Uh

Why would the IEEE support its young'uns heads be stuffed full of mush, full of security holes to boot?

Don't answer that. It's "realism" and "market forces" if it's not "massive bribes". But then maybe the IEEE *is* cheap. Much like micros~1 already not merely ballot-stuffed but shill-stuffed various countries' ISO committees. Wonder how that's working out for the rest of us.

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Grenade

Yawn

Blah blah blah "bribe" blah blah blah "shill" blah blah blah ...

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Normal practice, no?

Or is M$ the only company to make offers like this to students.

No different from many years ago, maybe still currently, a local garage used to give an old car to the schools engineering/metal work/mechanical dept, for the students to tinker with, and provide a mechanic/panel beater and tools to attend for a few hours each week. The pick of the students getting an apprenticeship if they desired.

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The difference is

Transferable skills. Panel beating is the same skill on a Ford or a Toyota, how well does experience on Exchange Server equip you for Notes, Sendmail, or Postfix?

Microsoft is trying to get early lock-in, a perfectly understandable aim for a commercial company, but should a professional organisation be supporting this?

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WTF?

Exchange 2007? Students?

The benhemot piece of software that requires at least three servers to split all of its miryad of role components to have a reasonable performance?

If I've read it correctly, I cannot see many students having such infrastructure on their basement. Then again, many people are looking at the hardware requirements and thinking about alternatives.

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Mmmhmmm, yeah, whatever

So how come I'm happily running an exchange server in a VM on a desktop box that cost about £300 ?

Empirical evidence, if more were needed, that you haven't a clue. Typical fanboi.

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Been around for a while...

This has been up and running for over a year now and has most things except Office Standard and Win 7. While the 'old' OSs such as 2003 server are there, 2008 server also makes an appearance in Standard, Enterprise and Datacentre.

It was good to be able to get a copy of VS2008, Project and Visio. If MS wants to give me corporate tools for free then I'm more than willing to use them.

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Balmer's right...

All these bastards giving software away, for nothing, DO stifle innovation.

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The first hits free

Get the poor bastards trained up so they only know how to use your very expensive proprietary software and nothing else, then take away their free licence.

If that sounds immoral, it's because it is.

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So you're saying the students are too stupid to spot this?

So the students have a choice between the free Open Source tools, or the "free" Microsoft tools (after they've paid for their IEEE membership dues), and they decide to get "hooked" on the Microsoft tools.

Are they too stupid to figure this out, or are you too stupid to figure out why they might actually want to use the Microsoft tools?

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Actually

"Are they too stupid to figure this out,"

From what I've seen in the past the answer is "yes, they are that stupid" though it would be better to just say that its more a case of being short sighted than a lack of intellect on their part.

Tux, because I have the choice.

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Hmmm

Not only does this reek of desperation, when I was a student, none of us joined IEEE because it gave us no tangiable benefits.

I predict that only one student is going to join and then give copies of the software away to his classmates - who aren't going to use it anyway because they've got the important business of STUDYING to get on with...

Studying, you know the thing students do so that the pass the exams?

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Coat

Hmmm, I dunno...

> Studying, you know the thing students do so that the pass the exams?

I know the thing students do to pass the exams with another name, it's called having a small copy of last semesters exam in the pocket.

Coat, of course. Also a good place to put blank papers, write to them and pass to the only lady in CS.

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Linux

Heroin - just say no

The first few hits are always free.

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slaves to the method

8 years & your mine, all mine

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Tom Lehrer summed it up

"the old dope peddler"

It's the old dope peddler

Doing well by doing good.

He gives the kids free samples,

Because he knows full well

That today's young innocent faces

Will be tomorrow's clientele.

Here's a cure for all your troubles,

Here's an end to all distress.

It's the old dope peddler

With his powdered ha-happiness.

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Actually

Is here:

Access 2003

Access 2003 (Español)

Access 2007

Compute Cluster Pack

Compute Cluster Pack SDK

Exchange Server 2007 Enterprise Edition

Exchange Server 2007 Standard Edition

Expression Blend

Expression Studio

Expression Web

InfoPath 2003

InfoPath 2003 Toolkit for Visual Studio Tools for Office 2005

InfoPath 2007

ISA Server 2006 Enterprise Edition

MapPoint 2004 European Edition - Setup Disk (1/2)

MapPoint 2004 European Edition - Run Disk (2/2)

MapPoint 2004 North America - Setup Disk (1/2)

MapPoint 2004 North America - Run Disk (2/2)

MELL - Developer Edition for MSDNAA

MSDN Library - April 2007 (DVD)

MSDN Library - May 2660 - CD1

MSDN Library - May 2660 - CD2

MSDN Library - May 2660 - CD3

Office Groove 2007

Office Groove Server 2007

Office SharePoint Server 2007 Enterprise

Office SharePoint Server 2007 Standard

OneNote 2003

OneNote 2007

Project Professional 2003

Project Professional 2007

Project Server 2003

SharePoint Designer 2007

SQL Server 2005 Developer Edition - 32-bit - CD1

SQL Server 2005 Developer Edition - 32-bit - CD2

SQL Server 2005 Developer Edition - 64-bit Extended - CD1

SQL Server 2005 Developer Edition - 64-bit Extended - CD2

SQL Server 2005 Developer Edition - 64-bit Extended - DVD

SQL Server 2005 Developer Edition - 64-bit Itanium - DVD

SQL Server 2005 Workgroup Edition - 32-bit -0 DVD

Virtual PC 2004

Visio for Enterprise Architects

Visio Professional 2003 (Español)

Visio Professional 2007

Visual Basic 2005 Express Edition

Visual C# 2005 Express Edition

Visual C++ 2005 Express Edition

Visual J# .NET

Visual j# 2005 Express Edition

Visual SourceSafe 6.0d

Visual Studio .NET 2003 Professional - Full Install

Visual Studio .NET 2005 Professional - Full Install

Visual Studio .NET 2002 - ISO Image - CD1 (Español)

Visual Studio .NET 2002 - ISO Image - CD2 (Español)

Visual Studio .NET 2002 - ISO Image - CD3 (Español)

Visual Studio .NET 2002 - ISO Image - CD4 (Español)

Visual Studio .NET 2002 - ISO Image - CD5 (Español)

Visual Studio .NET 2002 (Full) (Español)

Visual Studio 2005 Professional Edition CD1

Visual Studio 2005 Professional Edition CD2

Visual Studio 2005 Standard Edition CD1

Visual Studio 2005 Standard Edition CD2

Visual Studio 2005 Team Foundation Server Trial Edition

Visual Studio 2005 Team Suite - CD1

Visual Studio 2005 Team Suite - CD2

Visual Studio 2005 Team Suite - CD3

Visual Studio 2005 Team Test Load Agent Beta 2

Visual Studio 2005 Tools for the Microsoft Office System

Visual Studio 2008 Professional Edition (x86 and x64 WoW) - DVD

Visual Web Developer 2005 Express Edition

Windows Embedded CE 6.0 DVD

Windows Server 2003 Enterprise Edition

Windows Server 2003 Enterprise Edition - 64 Bit

Windows Server 2003 Enterprise Edition (Español)

Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition

Windows Server 2003 Web Edition

Windows Services for UNIX 3.0

Windows Vista Business 64bit DVD

Windows Vista Business CD1

Windows Vista Business CD2

Windows Vista Business CD3

Windows Vista Business CD4

Windows Vista Business CD5

Windows Vista Business DVD

Windows XP Embedded

Windows XP Professional (Single User)

Windows XP Professional (Single User) 64bit Edition

Windows XP Professional (Single User) ISO Image (Español)

Windows XP Professional (Single User) ISO Image (Japanese)

Windows XP Professional with SP1a (Single User) ISO Image

Windows XP Professional with SP2 (Single User) ISO Image

Cutting edge it's not - but that's still a hell of a lot of software to be given away for free. SQL 2005, VSTS, VS 2008, Windows 2003, Vista and XP, Exchange, SharePoint, Expression, Visio and Access.

Not too sure why the cynical tone in the article. Guess it's bad for MS to hand this out, but fine for Canonical to have people standing outside handing out DVD's...

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Software list

I got here Windows 7 Professional and Windows 2008 Server. But it might be my university's deal with MS.

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Windows 7

I get MSDNAA through my higher education and it provides a Windows 7 x86 and x64 licence. Unless Microsoft has implemented some special requirement for the IEEE its up to the provider which software to offer so IEEE must have removed it for some reason.

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The Right Early Software

Of course the last versions of Windows with sensible hardware requirements were Windows 98, and, better yet, Windows 3.11 with Win32s. With that kind of Microsoft software and today's technology, they could probably do a laptop for the Third World for under 100 dollars - and, therefore, under 100 Euros as well.

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Why did MS bother?

If you're an "IEEE Student member", then you're likely a college student. If you're a college student, then your college only has to submit a little paperwork to offer MSDNAA to it's students. So exactly how many students interested in free MS stuff are IEEE members and study at colleges who don't participate in MSDNAA?

Somebody didn't do the math....

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Already Free

FOSS development tools are already free, Free and will continue to be. So when you go to get that all important job your likely to be pocketing more of the companies money programming with FOSS simply because there isn't a huge burden on the companies deployment costs.

Someone could do a study on that... oh wait they did.

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