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The RRP of a pint of Guinness will rise by 10p to £3.03 on 1 February, producer Diageo has announced. In further grim tidings for drinkers, brewer AB InBev - which counts Beck's, Budweiser, Staropramen and Stella Artois on its roster of brews - "will increase the wholesale price of all its drinks products by an average of 4p a …

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How old this news?

Guinness cost at least £3.30 in pubs already and have for last year or twos.

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£3 barrier?

Haha. I don't remember the last time I saw Guinness priced under £3. Got to love London prices.

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WTF?!

I haven't paid less than £3 for a pint of Guinness for years!

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£3.40 here

in Devon

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Grenade

Ha ha ha

£2.88 in one pub in Newcastle.

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Hardly..

Hardly "grim tidings for drinkers"... even if I go out and guzzle 10 pints of Stella, it's only going to cost me an extra quid at the most.

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DIY

Its time you got the following:

30 Litre bucket with lid

King Keg 5 gallon Pressure Barrel (top or bottom tap)

EDME Irish Stout kit

1KG Beer enhancer (Spray dried malt, dextrose meritose)

Two weeks

to produce 40 pints of lovely stout. The first batch comes out at £2 a pint. Subsequent batches cost 38 pence a pint.

The above should definitely appeal to all the pc system builders amongst us. The wife can attest that the produced product is, "some of the best stout I've had".

http://www.wineworks.co.uk are recommended for supplies

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you forgot the CO2 canister

and sterilizing liquid (babies bottle stuff works well).

I would recommend

Coopers Stout or

Brewmaker Irish Velvet

over the EDME

and always use Beer enhancer rather then a bag of sugar from Tesco.

The more expensive 2 tin kits aren't necessary for stout but they really make a difference with the bitters and do try a porter if you get the chance.

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Cheers!

Thanks, chaps, you've just got me started on the homebrew obsession! Or what I predict will become one, anyway. The missus even approves.

Possibly the most useful bit of info I've found in El Reg yet!

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Home brewing

Damn I hate how the Reg comments lands on the second page first... missed this post when I posted mine!

I suggest Munton's Stout brewing kits if you can get them over there - it's the one most like Guinness I've found. And to the AC who uses CO2 canisters: Don't. Use carbonation drops when you bottle up and let the remaining yeast do the carbonation naturally. The result is much smoother and you get a much creamier head instead of a hissing pile of froth!

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“hazardous and harmful”

I suspect that “hazardous and harmful” pretty much means anyone who drinks more than the recommended units per day (which some ciders easily beat in one pint). Which is a bit like saying that the 3/4 of motorists who do 80mph on a motorway are “hazardous and harmful”.

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They're reducing prices?

Round our way £3's a bargain!

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Oh yeah? Translation required here.

What he said: “This is good news. I totally believe in minimum pricing. Without doubt it is the supermarkets causing the binge-drinking problems and they need their knuckles wrapped.”

What he meant: “This is good news. I totally believe in minimum pricing. Without doubt it is the supermarkets' prices that stop us charging whatever the fuck we'd like to fleece our punters for and I want a new Jaguar.”

A North Eastern pub chain holder speaking out against binge-drinking? In other news today, eight out of ten Turkeys (who expressed a preference) said that they were very much in favour of Christmas.

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You don't know Tony do you? He prefers a Harley to a Jag.

You also seem to have overlooked the supermarket practice of subsidising one area of goods with another. You honestly reckon the supermarkets make a profit on their beer offers? No, they make a loss, but as you're there getting beer you also buy all your other stuff so they make a profit all round. No pub can ever compete with that unless they start selling Andrex, Aquafresh, tins of beans and bread.

I'm all for cheap beer! But if the supermarkets put almost all the pubs out of business where are you going to go out for a drink? And do you honestly think the prices will stay low once competition has been expunged?

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@teecee

You've never run a pub have you? I have and my wife still does. The publican is never the one who gets rich off their punters so why not get a clue before shooting your mouth off?

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@Alex

I would never dare to suggest that Publicans make a shedload of cash at our expense. The pubcos however seem to do very nicely. Funny that.

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So......

......the people we see puking their ring on the high street at 2am on a Saturday got their booze from the supermarket, did they?

Yeah, course they did.........

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Quite probably, yes

you may like to consider the that they gather at each other's homes earlier in the evening to neck vast quantities of cheap, supermarket-bought strong booze and thereby get spannered without paying pub and club prices for the privilege.

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yep

That's how we did it in my student days, when even pound-a-pint on sharable jugs of fosters p*ss was still cause for questioning how much of your loan and summertime earnings were left.

Got about the illest I have ever been on a pint of "warm up" screwdriver: 4 of you pitch in for a litre each of value so-called "vodka" (rubbing alcohol with tap water and artificial flavouring) and nasty "orange" "juice", both from the local Lidl... mix them in a 1:1 ratio in pint glasses, down the hatch with a pinched nose. Make sure you've had your cheese + waffles / beans on toast / spag bol beforehand to avoid burning TOO big a hole in your stomach. Without the scran I'd probably have been in hospital...

In any case, you're then good to go and you're just about inside the dingy local nightclub when it hits you. Suitably lubricated, you can now throw shapes all night on a rotating menu of water, weak pepsi and, for the truly committed college waster, one or two further 1-quid pints of piss.

"Minimum RETAIL price of 50p per unit"? ... given inflation that still means hardly any increase I reckon. Pubs have already mostly dropped £/pint and gone to £1.50 or £2, which is about the equivalent of a pound a unit depending on the strength of drink. I bet if I was to revisit my uni town, Paddy's "one pound triple vodka + coke" special would be no more :( About the only thing it might properly affect is tesco's value lager & bitter (maybe?), white lightning and those massive crates of tiny bottles of "french biere blonde" that we were also once quite fond of, before being tempted by the dark side (we're all now earning a lot more money but still penniless thanks to our promotion to Lords of the CAMRA).

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They may well start......

......by drinking at home, but they're not 'puking their ring' before they go into the pubs, are they? If so, then they should be barred entry, by law.

The reality appears to be that both supermarkets and pubs bear a measure of responsibility.

This guy laying the blame only on supermarkets is simply an attempt to divert blame.

That said, the lions share of any 'blame' for the state these people (me included, at times) get into rests completley with the people themselves.

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Even at 40p a unit

Even at 40p a unit this is over what I pay for almost everything I buy from off-licenses. There's 27 units in a typical bottle of spirits, which means a minimum of £13.50 - currently I'm paying around £9 so that's an increase of 50%, and that's pretty much any off-license so it's not a supermarket loss-leader. There would be a roughly a hike in the price of the majority of canned beers.

Of course the brunt of it would be borne by poor people much more than problem drinkers, who are often reasonably well-paid people who live with their parents and have very moderate outgoings, or robbers.

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WTF?

I can't remember when I last saw sub-£3 Guinness

the rest of this discussion I will leave open for our rural correspondents to point and laugh

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yeah...

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Without doubt it is the supermarkets causing the binge-drinking problems and they need their knuckles wrapped.

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Yeah, because on a Friday/Saturday night the pissed up masses brawling, pissing and vomiting in the street have just come from Tesco.

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So cheap!

Guinness is a fiver a pint here in Dublin. Most of the other beers are around the same price.

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@John 90

Why is it more expensive here in Ireland? Are we just happy (aka pi**ed) to pay any old price without complaining, or too stinkin' proud to complain that the price tears the hell out of our pockets?

Mine's the one with the (even more expensive) pint bottle of Bulmers (Magners) in the pocket!

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How does a:

£3.00(UKP) Squid Beer help the Pubs??

Do these 'dolts think I ~excrete~ Gold Nuggets (or somethin')?

Perhaps if these "Brewers" would lower or at least attempted to match the cheep Supermarket stuff, the Pubs would like be able to pull in more business.

One wonders how the BOFH and the PFY are goin to take this news??

Hopefully they can chuck a few of these morons down a few flights of stairs.

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Bloody minimum pricing... I need a beer

I don't go to the pub that often mostly because of my work schedule - usually so knackered by the time I get back, I just collapse in front of the TV with some food and a quick pint in the evening. When I'm at the supermarket I'll buy a multipack (but I find myself buying more and more local/regional ales).

They're not doing themselves any favours promoting minimum pricing - I won't be able to afford to buy as much beer - and I'm a very sensible drinker - my money will end up being spent on (probably) the real ales, as they taste nicer... And if they cost the same as a can of Carling or Guinness for example, I'll simply only buy the ales as they're better value for money. The hardcore who binge drink will continue to do so irrespective of pricing, and the regular people who buy supermarket beer because it's a bit cheaper than the pub will just get pissed off and not bother as much.

Good job there.

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But its Medicine! It should be available on prescription.

I can remember my first pint of the black stuff, I was in a pub called The Swan at Yardley in Birmingham, way back in the early seventies. Took a quick slurp and the glass was half empty, wow, that was easy. Never looked back. When I got into long ( ultra) distance running I noticed that for quite a few of my fellow head bangers it was the beverage of choice.

There used to be a 30 mile road race which started and finished at the Tudor Rose in Old Coulsden, London, ( SLH 30) It was held on a Saturday with a 2pm start ( this was in the days before all day opening ) perfect timing, finish the race, get changed and in to the pub to rehydrate with a few pints of the black stuff. One weekend I ran the SLH 30 on the Saturday, the Bolton Marathon the following day and also managed to get 16 pints of Guinness down as well - 2 races, 2 gallons!

Nowadays its more likely to be 10k and 2 pints :-(

Happy days, thank you Arthur Guinness

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No, it won't

"The news comes as the government's health committee has suggested a minimum alcohol retail price of 50p per unit - an attempt to stop supermarkets punting cheap booze and fuelling the UK's binge-drinking epidemic.

This minimum would, the report suggests, save 3,000 lives a year while helping to boost the UK's pub trade."

If they do that, lists will quickly appear on the internet about which bottle of booze gives you the most alcohol per serving for the lowest cost...

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It will save 3,000 lives?

Where do they get these figures from? It will save 3,000 lives? If an alcoholic want's to drink they will buy it regardless of the price.

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noooooo

I generate significant revenue with my Guinness drinking habit but im not considered a harmful drinker.

It is already one of the most expensive beverage.. :(

am I ?

a pint becuse need to make use of the lower price

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Minimum pricing

"Tony Brookes, managing director of North East-based pub company Head of Steam, enthused to The Publican: “This is good news. I totally believe in minimum pricing. Without doubt it is the supermarkets causing the binge-drinking problems and they need their knuckles wrapped.”"

Yeah, it's in no way promotional drinking in pubs/clubs that is a problem. "buy two shots, get one free!". And not Tony just trying to prevent overpricing being stopped in pubs. £3 for a single vodka (25ml) where any other retail outlet (supermarket or not) will sell 700ml for less than £15. The pub will undoubtedly obtain these bottles at wholesale for a very very healthy markup.

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Where i used to work

The 'house' vodka was £2.40 a 25ml measure, the price for a bottle wholesale was £3.50!

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What are you paying for?

Yeah, that is a hefty mark-up, you're being gouged. Then again you are getting a bargain on the rent, furnishing, energy, staff costs etc...

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50p per unit?

Let's see that tried out in a test market...say the bars in Westminster...and then rolled out nation wide if it is a success.

But that would mean MPs having to suffer and obey the law...never going to happen in the cesspit of corruption and deceit that passes for our Parliament.

And what about all the cheap booze MEPs can access (subsidised champagne etc), will they be putting a stop to that? No, thought not.

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ermmm

The minimum pricing is to apply to supermarkets only as far as I'm aware, pub prices are already way above 50p per unit!

I get the point though. MP's suck etc..

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In shock

Sod the ID card scheme, sod the NHS system, sod trojans and card scams, sod terrorism... Guinness at three quid is the most upsetting headline I've ever read on El Reg.

Mine's the black mourning garb

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best be off down t'pub

before it's too late, save myself those 4 pences

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Hmm...

Good idea chap, I think I'll follow your lead.

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Some confusion surely?

"Within the context of continuing difficult market conditions and a challenging economic climate"

the answer to How do I increase profit?

is usally drive down costs and increae sales - not increase prices.

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"an attempt to stop supermarkets punting cheap booze and fuelling the UK's binge-drinking epidemic."

Once again a classic example of not knowing what the hell they are talking about. There is nothing else to do in this country, the weather and/or Health and Safety have killed off everything else. You can make alcohol as expensive as you like but people will still buy it if there is nothing else to do. You put up the cost of that and you'll have to jack up the jobseekers allowance too ;)

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Get a grip

"There is nothing else to do in this country, the weather and/or Health and Safety have killed off everything else."

Really? Are you really sure about that? I strongly suggest you go and get a grip of yourself. If there is nothing to do, then it is because YOU have DECIDED to do nothing. Take some responsibility for your own actions/inactions.

Here's a few simple ideas:

1) Read a book!

2) Buy a board game, get a few friends round, play. It's called "social interaction" and it's really rather good.

3) Get a hobby.

4) Take some exercise.

5) Do all those little jobs that you meant to do.

If you really think 'elf 'n safteh has gone too far, then start a campaign against it. That'll give you something to do. But to sit on your own fundament and just moan, moan, moan without doing anything? It's people like you who are the downfall of this country; you expect everything to be done for you. And if you don't like the weather, you can always leave.

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Is Tony Brookes...

... in favor of the OTHER recommendation - that pup opening ours be re-restricted?

Hmmm? No? Funny that!

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Coulda sworn it was the drinkers' fault

> Without doubt it is the supermarkets causing the binge-drinking problems

So, presumably if the price of bread was slashed that would cause outbreaks of uncontrollable sandwich eating. While I'm familiar with the concept of price elasticity, I have a hard time accepting that there is a causal link between low booze prices and excessive drinking. For example, pop across the channel (if the trains are running) and you'll be "confronted" with cheap booze. Go to Spain and you can buy tinnies for 17cents a pop - or a litre of brandy for 6 euros.

Yet in these countries we don't see either the same level of adolescent drunkenness that the tabloids here obsess about, nor the same level of intolerance towards people who've had "one too many" - possibly because they just sleep it off, rather than smashing the place up.

Maybe the problem has nothing to do with the _price_ of booze and everything to do with british yoof's inability to control him/her/it-self and the press' desire to pander to the tiny minority of small-minded moralists who are the only people who buy such newspapers.

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We seem to be the only country in the world

capable of destroying a 5000 year old business.

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I'm with Nazar on this one

Time to improve my stout homebrew recipe.

And I used to build PC's as part of a previous job.

Chin Chin

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HAHAHahahahahahahahahahahaha.....

(i don't drink alcohol:)

now who's the smartarse thats nicked me wallet ????

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@AC 13:55

You obviously dont work in IT....

Now grow some and get the round in!! :-)

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Point the finger at the breweries

Do I see a bit of dual standards here? The breweries charge exorbitant prices to their tied houses and tennants, but give huge discounts to large purchasers like supermarkets.

Then they complain that pub sales are falling and put up the prices even more?

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@John 90 Re: So cheap!

| Guinness is a fiver a pint here in Dublin. Most of the other beers are around the same price.

You're drinking in the wrong pubs I guess. I was just in Dublin last week and never paid more than about €4 for a pint of G. -- e.g. at The Bleeding Horse or the hotel bar. I've still got the receipts to prove it.

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