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Fed up waiting for Asus' Eee Keyboard to show? Asian mini PC specialist NorhTec may be able to sort you out with a keyboard-encased computer real soon. The Thai company this week said it will show off its Gecko Surfboard at the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) in Las Vegas early next year. The product will go on sale shortly …

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I want one!

Brought C64 memories flooding back.

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Very cool but ...

Very cool, but will it play Jet Set Willy on full detail?

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The cycle repeats!

"The notion of which brought back fond nostalgic thoughts of the Sinclair Spectrum"

Exactly what i was thinking!

Years ago, gramophones where complete single units, then we had seperates in the 70s and 80s, then we started getting boom-boxes, all in one units, now we have mini MP3 players.

25 years ago, we had simple 8-bit micro boxes with built-in keyboards RF connected to TVs, when we needed more power we had to have seperates with their own components. Now these Asian manufacturers have brought us back to single boxes that have built-in keyboards, that hook up to our TVs again!

I must admit this one looks more like the failed Aquarius 8bit micro, rather than a ZX Spectrum.

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Not bad at all

Although very much 1st generation. Still, quite a fun retro look

Hmmmmm, just as you get low range radio broadcast units for MP3 players, etc, can you do the same in a "safe" part of the TV spectrum? (perhaps around the Teachers TV or BBC Parliament frequencies...)

The ability to use it on any TV in the house/round your mates/sat bored in Currys simply by tuning it in would be fantastic. Might cane power a touch though...

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War Driving

Might bring out a whole new type of war driving. Use an old portable to see who's looking at, ahem, 'entertainment' sites.

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First thinki I thoughts of was ....

... the Acorn Electron.

I had one and it was superb.

$100 seems a bargain to me, even with on half a G of ram.

I assume the HD is at least 40G in which case, bargain.

I also assume that the other $100 we pay for netbooks goes to wards some sort of screen.... ?

I'd buy this, quite happily.

Probably less likely to get nicked as people will think it i just a keyboard!

P.

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Peripherals

Where do I connect the tape deck and kempston joystick?

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Re: Peripherals

Never mind the joystick. Where do I connect the Multiface?

(And guess what kind of keyboard you owe me.)

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HDMI would have been nice...

...but not at all bad for $99. May need to get one of these for the spare VGA input on the telly.

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Nice

If they can still keep the $99 pricetag when they bring it to Uk I'll have one, I'm sure with a USB Wireless card it'd be perfect by the TV (sadly we don't have Cat5 there). Maybee the V2 will have wireless built in.

Probability is we'll only ever get the XP version in the UK and it'll be priced at over £200 which will kill it before it can even get off the ground.

I'm also willing to bet that the linux crackers will start 'deconstructing' it for their own uses as soon as it's released.

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Now this ia good idea

If you have a computer in a keyboard, no point in having an extraneous screen on the side, something cheap and cheerful like this would be handy if you want to write in different locations using a monitor or even a telly.

Netbooks are great also, but this one could fill a niche market, good price overall, shame about how much more expensive the Windows version is.

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Cost

What do you mean, it's a shame?

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Meh

She's no Amiga 1200, thats for sure.

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Maybe not an Amiga A1200

But I bet it could emulate one for with Cloanto's Amiga Forever package installed.

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A laptop...

..without screen or battery or optical drive.

I like it - particulary the low power consumption.

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Instant Fail.

TV computing is once again a possibility, but this thing spectacularly misses the point: HDMI. Big hi res digital tellies are the things that make TV computing possible, and this doesn't have the proper connections to take advantage of that.

Composite out is no substitute.

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Re: Instant Fail

Probably, but sadly, since this is a great concept. With HDMI output and a wireless network connection, it would certainly be a winner, but it may still be usable enough to attract a few hobbyists and keep the manufacturer afloat long enough to produce version 2.

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It does have VGA

My 23" TV has VGA input and work really well at its native 1920x1080

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Yes it does

It has a super VGA plug on the back there. Despite the hype surrounding HDMI ports, SVGA is more than capable of shuffling HD video. It's been doing it for years before someone went "let's put DRM in all the way to the monitor!"

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HDMI?

I know that HDMI appears to be becoming the accepted standard for HD TV, but when I first got my EeePC 701, I plugged it into my Acer AL2671W TV via the VGA port that that TV has (it really is more like a widescreen monitor with a TV tuner). I configured the correct native resolution for the TV in the EeePC, and it worked fine at native resolution. The TV appeard to lock on to the dot clock perfectly, and the timing on the EeePC was stable enough to prevent dot-creep or the moire patterns that plague mistimed TV signals. Was perfectly clear.

My kids are now using that TV with the Xbox360 using a component cable, and that looks pretty good too. And the TV actually offers DVI as well (it's a well spec'd TV, with only HDMI missing, which is one reason I replaced it for Sky HD). So I wonder whether HDMI is really necessary for a PC if any of these other ports are available. I wonder how much of the HDMI requirement is actually hype and/or media companies wanting to adopt it because of the DRM features that it provides. Off course, I know it also provides audio.

But for the target market, I wonder whether a small PC like the Eee Box, and a wireless keyboard and mouse is actually a better solution, as that does not require a cable from your armchair to the TV. It's a good price, though.

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Re: HDMI?

Yes yes, VGA and component may still produce a good picture, even in HS, but they are *analog* connections and thus so 2005. Why is it so difficult for PC (especially laptop) manufacturers to make the switch to digital connections? DVI has been around for ages and is (AFAIK) license-fee free. Luckily it seems HDMI is *finally* starting to gain popularity these days.

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Re: HDMI?

The only advantage of HDMI over DVI is that it can also carry audio.

The only ‘advantage’ of HDMI over DVI is Digital Restriction Management.

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Not much good in my case

Not much good in my case as our LCD TV only has HDMI and component inputs (no VGA). I guess if it's possible to get a VGA to component cable then that might work.

Still I love the idea. Whack Mame on there and you'd get the 'arcade perfect' that we all longed for in the days of the Speccy, C64 and CPC.

Rob

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Me want one...

...want want want!

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Bring it up to spec with the Archie/ST/Amiga

And pop a slot loading optical drive on the right edge.

A floppy drive would be more fun for retro-chic, but ultimately useless.

In all seriousness, would make an excellent console to connect to terminals with.

If the price < £150, i'd seriously consider it.

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mouse

The only thing that seems to be missing is a mouse replacement... so you could use it on your lap when sitting on the sofa. Something like a ThinkPad trackpoint would be cool.

What I really like about it is that it has a "real" keyboard, not a laptop keyboard (in terms of key heights). Of course, that alone doesn't say the keyboard is good, though.

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Kind of stunning

what you can stuff in basically a keyboard sized box these days.

For reference the BBC cound manage 64K of RAM, no drives (of any kind) RS2332, IIRC 488 and the 2nd processor Tube interface(which in house turned out to be critical in evaluating other processors and driving the design of the ARM).

I like it. If the software is well through out it could find quite a few homes.

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Even more ports on a BBC

As well as the RAM, RS432 (it had no RS232, but it was close enough for many things) and tube interface, the BBC model B also had a tape interface, parallel port, so called 'user' interface, interface to the 1MHz bus, four channel ADC (for joysticks, amongst other things) and optionally a network interface (based on RS422) and disc interface. And yet that still didn't stop people taking the lid off and soldering things directly to the chips.

But the BBC Micro (and Atom) were rather larger than this keyboard. The Electron was somewhat similar though. Or perhaps the closest in that family was the Master Compact, which appeared to be a PC-type machine with a separate keyboard, but in fact all that the main box did was contain the PSU and disc drives, and have something to put the monitor on. All the computing was done inside the keyboard unit.

Now, is it just me or does that Gecko seem to have an old-style 9-pin serial (RS232) port as well as two USB ports?

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Squeee!!

It makes me want to sit in frnt of the telly, cross legged and play Dizzy down the Rapids!!!

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No D-pad

Or do they expect me to balance this thing with a really long wire coming out of the back of it to the TV on my lap, rolling my mouse along the sofa. Oh if only there were something that you really could just put on TOP of your LAP, perhaps with a built in display, and maybe someway of moving the pointer. I'm sure there's a catchy name you could come up with.

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permanent poor posture...

... ah, those were the days, sitting slouched in front of the telly, waiting for the tape recorder to finish noisly saving or loading your software, with the 16k expansion pack gaffer taped onto back of the old speccy.

The problem is, for the same reasons as ever, a keyboard for use with a TV set really doesn't work that well, because it's bloody uncomforable whichever way you use it - unless you have a desk in front of your TV, er, which most people don't.

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No good for a TV

A far better bet is a similar spec computer in a small box, but a wireless keyboard and mouse. OK, it'll add £50 or so to the price but would be so much more usable.

Having said that, the thing as it stands with Linux and GCompris would make a superb kiddy computer for not much more than one of those awful vTech toy "laptops".

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TV

HDMI these days would be better. Composite video is so 1979.

Computer -> Composite -> RF is only really good at up to about 400 x 288 resolution. 400x 576 will work but single horizontal lines will flicker badly.

Interesting though. One of these at €80 would be handy for all kinds of things.

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VGA too

It has VGA output too. Hooked up to an HD-ready flat panel it would be very acceptable.

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Need a new icon

Won't just need a new keyboard after a coffee spray. Will need a new computer.

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does it come with a screeching boot up screen?

WANT

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Screeching boot-up?

I'm hoping for the BBC series' sound.

Beeeeeee..DIP!

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Great stuff, build it and they will come.

Either comadore or spectrum should be dug up to get behind this thing, booting up a c64 replica with the most popular games locked and loaded and ready to go (plenty of emulators) or select other options to fire up the desktop, browser etc would be way cool.

Either ways, bring it out just the way it is for the price stated and I'll join the line to hand over my hard-earned for one.

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Fail on epic of epic proportions

Let's get a few things straight

1) Flash does not run well on Linux

2) To have a hope of getting anything like bare-minimum quality from Flash on Linux, you need an absolute ninja of a CPU and heaving gobs of spare memory

So a crappy wee 1GHz CPU and 512mb running Linux is suitable for the web? HA HA HA HA! The Windows version might *just* be able to cope, but there is no way in hell the Linux one can cope.

Shame, because it does look pretty nifty.

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Well..

Gigahertz isn't always everything. I've got a four and a half year old AMD64 laptop with 1GB RAM here that's quite capable of running Flash crap AND compiz all at the same time. Previous to that, it was ye olde Athlon XP on a 512MB desktop machine. Equally capable of running Flash stuff. If it has a halfway-competent GPU (as in, one as powerful as the Geforce Go MX440 in this thing), I imagine it'll cope well enough with Macromedia FlashyBollocks.

More of a problem would be the complete lack of support for Shockwave (rather than Flash) for Linux. Oh noes, no Habbo Hotel! You can tell I'm really disappointed by that!

Still, at least it should run www.fantasticcontraption.com

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Flash != Web

Anyone who publishes any web content other than streaming video in Flash doesn't know how to program for the web.

Anyone who uses the web for nothing but streaming video doesn't know how to use the web.

Anyone who can't get Flash working acceptably on a low-powered Linux box doesn't know how to use Linux.

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Flash on Linux

I've a real problem here. If I download the .flv file using Download Helper, my poor, underpowered EeePC 701 can play the result with mplayer just fine. It's only when I am using a browser based Flash pluging (both Adobe Flashplayer 10, and also Gnash/Klash) that I have problems.

Also, the Adobe plugin for Flash 9 worked very well, but the installer for this appears to have disappeared into the ether, just leaving the crap version 10 both on Adobe's website, but also in the repositories for the major distro's. So, I don't think it is a Linux problem, more an Adobe one.

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The boy who cried fail

"So a crappy wee 1GHz CPU and 512mb running Linux is suitable for the web? HA HA HA HA!"

Are you six years old or something? Can't remember a time when CPUs were less than 3GHz and weren't bundled with 4GB RAM so that Vista could float around in the memory without running aground?

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Geek Chic

How long before every BOFH has one of these, plus a PC base unit and an imac all looking like just one normal PC setup to the boss, so that extra "work" can be undertaken (and lets not even count the virtual machine possibilities) under their noses?

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Nostalgia overload!

Manic Miner, Everyone's A Wally, Pyjamarama, Ghost Hunters, Bruce Lee, Turbo Esprit, Rocky Horror Show, Cobra, Sabre Wulf, Knight Lore, Atic Atac, Saboteur etc etc the list just keeps growing.

Nostalgia overload!

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... very low-power part able ...

The article said: "Crucially, it's a very low-power part able..."

Sounds about right given the specs.

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@The composite moaners - VGA

Duh - for day to day use VGA is much easier to use on a HD TV than HDMI. Most mainstream TV 's still include a VGA port. Frequently with HDMI you get borders and black edges. Its still much easier to tweak VGA to a 1:1 pixel mapping than HDMI.

Neither DVI or HDMI bring anything essential to the party at the resolutions most HD TV (as opposed to a dedicated monitor) panels operate at. Quit ya whining.

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Cheap and chips

At under £100 it's an exploratory purchase for many. Wouldn't mind HDMI out, but at this price who cares...

I wonder how good the 1GHz CPU is in this - presumably it's no speed demon. It's an old SiS design apparently, but clocked higher.

Might make a nice platform for demo writers - how much can they squeeze out of the limited hardware in this device.

Also it points towards future ARM based designs that could be higher performance.

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I think I really want this...

For that price the inner gadget collector part of me really wants this thing. Very cool! ^.^

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Been done before ?

I seem to remember something similar being available in the 90s. A PC built into the case of a keyboard.

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