Prime Minister Gordon Brown will today be launching a new internet safety strategy for children and young people, drawn up by an unprecedented coalition of Government, industry and charities at the first the UK Council for Child Internet Safety (UKCCIS) Summit in London today. As Children’s Secretary Ed Balls commented today, …
Won't somebody please
think of the children.
Or - novel idea - We could let parents take responsibility for parenting their own children (The clue's in the title)
Judging by the bands of rogue teenagers roaming the streets drinking, shagging and robbing, I think that parents have pretty much failed the whole "take responsibility" thing.
So you want kids to compress their personal details before sending to pedos? Coz that's what 'zip it' will mean to them. Not that politicians would understand that.
They're demonstrably certifiable...
and "...is backed by £2m of government investment..." really means "That's another £2Million of debtwe've pointlessly got you into."
Hoons. Utter Hoons. All of'em.
I love ths initiative
As a teacher of Year 10 PSHE (Not my main subject but we have to teach it in my school) and knowing how much the kids love and respect this subject. It is taken so seriously by them, I am sure a talk to them about internet safety and staying away from Paedos. It ill maybe be as effective as the video about gonhorrea of the throat that we show in my school (aimed at men)during sex ed. Maybe we should make it the parents responsibility about telling them about the risks of the internet when the children are 5 year old.
I also wonder why we ae referrin to it as the green cross code of interet safety, has this stopped childen and adults getting run over or stopped hem running across the road when parents are not present?
Or maybe we can trust that most of our students do have a smattering of intelligence and common sense and can smell a paedo on the web reasonably well and spend their time slagging of the saddos(their phrase not mne) on a reglar basis. And also slagging off any friends who decide that meeting a stranger from the web is a good idea as he/she sounds so nice!. Don't underestimate peer pressre amongst 16 year olds.
I am off to start recording Predator Raw as the basis of my lessons
In Other News
Paul Gadd launches his, 'Zip It, Wipe It, Bury It' campaign.
We could teach them about spam, fraud and phishing. Maybe even some general security principles?
That'd be a better use of this bluster.
Those soundbites in full
"Click Clever, Click Safe"
but whatever you do, don't worry about the difference between adverbs and adjectives. After all, if you can become a government minister or senior civil servant without understanding this point, why bother? In fact, why bother with skewl at all?
"Zip it, Block it, Flag it"
That's "compress your porn to save space", "encrypt the connection to block your ISP's deep packet inspection" and then "flag its location to all your friends".
Sheesh! My kids know more about the internet than these bozos.
Error: Zip is a reserved word
Why use the word "zip" which is already widely in use in the context (personal computing/Internet)?
Anyone else think this is daft and confusing?
Or am I being pedantic?
Nope, it's Paedogedden! Run for the hills!
Nope! First thing I thought of when I saw the word ZIP. Even my missus, not a massive technophile, would assume ZIP in context of computers means package and compress to save space! She works as teacher at nursery so that's, "Zip it! Lock it! Put it in your pocket!".
While I appreciate what they are trying to do, don't they ever bother sending these Whitehall planks out to meet the Great Unwashed and try to come up with something useful? Nope, rather they get these demented, narrow-minded and utter shite ideas from some minister's wife. She got concerned about little Tarquin being subjected to these supposed millions of paedos that, according to the Sun, lurk around every corner!
Hmm seems like a right troll suggested zipping it up.
Zip it, Block it, Flag It,
Ignore it. In much the same way all but the most impressionable children usually ignore the patronising crap spewed by government.
Money could be much better spent in educating children in the ways of questioning everything they are told, in the scientific method sense, with particular emphasis in questioning everything politicians say.
"...will become as familiar to this generation as ‘stop, look, listen’ did to the last."
What does that mean? Is Mr. Brown referring to "stop, look, listen, think" which was used in the Green Cross Code campaigns? Although kids did of course prefer to replace "think" with "stink" wherever possible.
Flag It ??
"Flag: Highlight any suspicious individuals, activities or websites to the relevant authority, including site admins, teachers or even police."
Who will be doing the high-lighting ??
Who determines what is suspicious ??
Who decides whom the relevant authority is ??
When can we vote these bozos out of office, I want my country back.
Brown launches Telescreen
"The Government also announced today that all 270,000 computers to be provided under the Home Access scheme will incorporate the CEOP Advice, Help, Report button. This is designed to help children and their families quickly report inappropriate content or internet approaches from strangers as well as get help and advice on issues such as cyberbullying, viruses and hacking."
i.e. instead of the child looking to their parents for advice, for help and to report problems, they turn to government directly. That's not healthy.
You know the anti-social behaviour thing, where instead of neighbours arguing problems out between themselves, they now call the police and social interactions are now police interactions, breaking down what social cohesion there was and making the police a vector to attack neighbours you disagree with.
And you know how Browns response to the slight increase in troubles in Northern Ireland was to send a load more troops back in, which has resulted in a breaking down of communities again, and more violence.
And now he's done this. Injecting government right into families homes. The inevitable result will be every little problem timmy has with his parents will be CEOP matters, with police moderating all matters in family life.
Do these computers have webcams and remote access by any change? They sort of seem familiar. I think I've read about these somewhere.
Another braindead initiative.
witty, catchy phrases that would make a kid cringe (per @Ken Hagan) and no forethought will emasculate this one too.
> But we must ensure that the virtual world is as safe for them as this one
The virtual world is a part of the real one and neither are 'safe', and the pretense of safety should not be attempted or the sprogs' sense of danger will never be tested and so remain underdeveloped into adulthood. And maybe more kids get damaged by their parents than by strangers, how about some stats Mr. Brown, just a thought.
> as well as get help and advice on issues such as [...] viruses and hacking
or just have an account where the kid doesn't have the rights to download & run executables? Just for once an actual existing technical solution to a problem.
> Highlight any suspicious individuals, activities or websites to the relevant authority, including site admins, teachers or even police.
You haven't even the guts to deal with criminal spam, now you want to do this.
Have some balls and fix the underlying problems.
Have these people ever been near a computer? But then I guess, the use of 'zip' as an access control mechanism is well established in government circles. These are the sort of people who 'ping' each other emails.
Kids 1 - Government 0
Very many kids know exactly what they are dealing with.
Many have been brought up with all manner of technology during their (short) life.
It's the adults who seem to be struggling here.
Send the politicians back to school !!
and one more thing
learning that some strangers can be trusted is just as important as learning that some are dangerous
Why does this remind me of the Brass Eye special back in 2001, which came complete with the HOECS organisation (can't remember whst it was said to stand for) ?
Key planks, indeed!
Quote> "Today we are launching our online version of the 'green cross code'. We hope that ‘zip it, block it, flag it’ will become as familiar to this generation as ‘stop, look, listen’ did to the last."
Don't they want us to "...think!" any more?
// Yes I have googled it. To which I say: "Can't run around", "Can't kick a ball for 3 weeks", "No swimming for 6 weeks"? Is http://talesoftheroad.direct.gov.uk/stop-look-listen.php a safety campaign or advice for getting out of P.E.?!!
Ain't adults embarrassing...
I remember a few years ago, some reviewer of nanny software who ended with the phrase "any approach to this problem that depends on parents and teachers knowing more than their children is doomed to failure from the outset !" So is an approach based on catch phrases and technically-dyslexic promises.
In our local schools, almost every approach by the education authority is based on lowest tender (which mysteriously tends to results in highest prices) and maximum empire-building. The kids simply have the system licked. Most teachers don't know enough. Most parents don't know enough. Those charged with protection of the networks don't know enough. The kids just laugh it all off. The only saving grace is that - with some unfortunate exceptions that the school has no idea how to deal with - most of the kids are pretty level-headed about the whole subject.
The few knowledgeable parents and teachers are simply regarded with suspicion - especially if they show any reluctance to solve the problem with precisely these tactics.
Zip-pidy doo dah!
I agree with previous posts, Zip is a bad choice of words lol
also, perhaps they should change it all to Record it, peruse it, share it with your friends...
because from what ive seen of kids using the internet if they see a site they like they write the site down, look at it some more and share it with their friends and the cycle goes on, the government are so full of sh1t sometimes, they need to get real and understand what theyre talking about, course what they really need is to step down and let another party have a go at making fools of themselves. Theres no way kids will want to follow the green cross digital code... theyll laugh it off and carry on glitching on modern warfare 2.
Green Cross Code
Begins as Darth Vader. Mutates into Green Dam Man.
A new digital code? I didn't know Brown knew anything about cross interleaved Reed-Soloman codes..do they teach that in History degree courses? He's a very clever bloke.
Well, I suppose it's got the word digital in front, so it must be a good code then.
To be fair...
It's a subject that does need to be taught in social education at school, just to make sure kids are aware of the risks of, for example, sending their boyfriend a rude photo. Teenagers pretend to be worldly wise, but how many of them have really thought through the possibly pitfalls of telling someone online what school they go to? Teens take risks, always have, always will, but as responsibly parents and teachers we should discuss the problems and dangers of the real world with them.
The problem is that most teachers haven't a clue. I was in a school assembly about it a couple of weeks ago, and while the general content was ok, the teacher was clearly speaking from notes without any real idea of what her own words meant
@to be fair
>aware of the risks of, for example, sending their boyfriend a rude photo.
They will be arrested for distributing child porn. Be listed with the local police as a danger to children and simultaneously put on the 'at risk' register
>possibly pitfalls of telling someone online what school they go to?
The information will be combined with their medical records and their parent's bank account details and left on a train somewhere
>discuss the problems and dangers of the real world with them.
Walking in front of a car is a real danger, clicking on a banner ad isn't
>the teacher was clearly speaking from notes without any real idea of what her own words meant
Her own words wouldn't have been officially certified as meeting the objective criterion requirements for key stage 5 subsection b of the national curriculum.
Why do i always hear about these useless guberment gravy trains to late to get on one.
Ear to the ground
You just need to join the right masonic lodge, Scott.
[Needs a rolled-up trouser leg icon]
SIck of politicians
Gawd am I sick of politicians inventing problems to solve to justify their existence then pissing away vast amounts of taxpayers money and forcing others to piss away time and money on solutions which wouldn't solve the problem if actually existed.
Every "it doesn't have to happen" advert I see makes me want to take a knife and stick it in Gordon Brown's face.
The only key planks I can see
Are Ed Balls and Gordon Brown.....
would zip him, block him and flOg him.
Zip it, Blog it, Flog it
They seem to have missed out the burning to dvd step.
Teach them where best to leave it (train, car, pub etc.) such that it can be found by tabloid journalists or the Russian Secret Service.
There's a Muslim paedophile living under your child's bed! Vote Conservative!
Kid safe world You bet!
"But we must ensure that the virtual world is as safe for them as this one"
Oh dear, oh deary deary me. Whatever will they think of next, make it as safe as the real world, because in the real world you certainly let your 6 year old go down the palyground by him/herself, and just drop them off at the pool and ask a passing stranger to walk them in or send them toddling off across the motorway to buy you pack of fags down the local supermarket. NO IDIOTS!! Kids are safe in the real world because their effing parents don't let them walk around alone, the don't let them cross the road alone, or wander off with strangers! The real worl IS NOT KIDDY SAFE! I wonder if they heard that? Probably not, political selective hearing I guess.
Catch it! Bin it! Kill it!
Zip it! Block it! Flag it!
Bop it! Twist it! Flick it!
Oooowww too slow! You lose!
Stuff it. Damn it. End it.
I'm sick of this Government. Bring me a new one.
Sick of this funny government?
Are you sick of this Government? Why? They are so funny...
What other party will be this funny? Tors? LDems?
I would rather vote for this independent one to be our prime minister next round...
Coz we know what to expect from him and of course it won't be has bad as current or any other party that want the same cosy chair.
Re: Bop it!
"I'm sick of this Government. Bring me a new one."
in other words "Do it the same. But BETTER".
there's a couple of strange men saying silly things about the internet! HEEEELLLP!
Seriously though, the politicians are targeting the wrong people. Kids do what kids do, and it is the responsibility of the grown ups (not politicians) to guide them right. One thought would be to find a way to get these kids off their lazy duffs and out into the real world but, as a recent magazine article on the BBC website says, said parents are too scared to do this these days. Interesting reading!
Strip it, Lock it, Fart it
Geee Mr. B strikes again! (Mr. Bean I mean)
No wonder Mr. Blair abandoned this sink ship years ago!
With some many incompetents managing UK’s Gov it clearly reached the absurd of the comic world... I wonder why BBC doesn't create a Telly program called "X politicians farctor".
"No wonder Mr. Blair abandoned this sink ship years ago!"
For it was he who holed the thing below the waterline.
If it saves just one kid
From attack by a roboplegic wrongcock it'll be worth it.
leaving aside the fact that the mans name is "Balls" - surely we can't say that in front of the children - he's really managed to balls this up (ah, must be nice to listen to the sound of tax revenue going down the drain!)
how is this really going to help make the kiddies safer on the interwebs? have they thought this through?
What a bunch...
...of morons...still we can rest assured they'll all be dead in the next 50 or so years.
Z1p it! Rar it! War3z it! Comes to mind.....
And just who is going to protect adults from the children abusing the CEOP initiative? The spoilt, the spiteful, the envious, the greedy, etc Antisocial unpleasant and harmfull behaviour is not the sole preserve of those over 16/18/21 years
The new internet generation.
"Flag: Highlight any suspicious individuals, activities or websites to the relevant authority, including site admins, teachers or even police."
Does this mean that the kids are to report to the relevant authorities, that Mummy and Daddy have been on file sharing websites?
Year Zero, we've lost the older generation, let's brainwash the young ones, "remember kids multi million dollar corporations selling you the exact same repackaged music/movies every couple of years = good, lending it to one of your friends = bad".
[word 1] it, [word 2] it, [word 3] it
and that will make everyone [x]% [word 4] at doing [word 5]
Fill in the blanks with words from a hat.
Damn now I've leaked the official government algorithm for generating propaganda. Oh well I'll just say I left it on the train.
Nice idea but ...
... as with most government initiatives this resembles nothing so much as an actual bowl of shit festooned with flies.
I think if I were expected to teach this fuckwittery to 13-16 year olds I'd be reaching for the knotted rope right now.
Seriously? Ed Balls? Jezuz - I bet he carries deep psychological scars from his school days. Makes sense, really.