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Windows 7 saw healthy growth in web-tracked usage in its first full month of release while Mac OS X found itself moving in a direction Cupertino is not used to: downward. The web-watchers at NetApplications report that when tracked on a daily basis, Windows 7 now accounts for five per cent of operating systems using the web. …

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count me out

Given my sorry experiences so far with MacOS 10.6, I can see why people might not want to get it. After my series of fiascos I'd happily boot Linux on this iMac and be shot of Snow Leopard if bloody could. Nice hardware, but the software is definitely showing the ego of the Apple execs.

I sure as hell won't be getting whatever abortion they come up with next.

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count me in

It may be a little early to have started playing in the Snow for you?

The first few dots on the Leopard where also rather frustrating though by the time it got to 10.5.8 it was lovely.

Yes, I've been left a little wanting with this one, it's growing up nicely however, now it's 3 months in with the .2 fur on it.

Seems the trend continues for MacOSX - if it brings in the foldable for you, hang on until a .3 or .4 before upgrading. - oh, well unless you just bought a new machine that is.

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count me out 2

Have recently sold two Mac's and just about to get rid of a third. I tried Apple Mac's for 5 years and to be honest it failed to impress. The expensive hardware failed as often as my Windows machines, the updates were just as buggy (if not more so) and out of warranty a Mac can easily be beyond economical repair with even a small fault.

The cost of software makes you feel like you are propping up a small country and discounts are laughable.

If I could take one piece of Mac software to Windows 7 it would be iPhoto but as Picasa 3 and Photo Gallery are gaining ground very fast.

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Top of the Ops

Is it only me that reads this article with a Top 40-style voice and background music? (In my "mind's ear" that is, not out loud. Mine's from the 80s, but yours may vary due to birth year.)

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Some Stats Stat

The curve that was missing was the XP curve, but that would muck up the scale.

So, 2.02% of XP users and 1.49% of Vista users went to Windows 7 in the period. I was led to believe that the Vista to Win7 upgrade was the no-brainer, but some folks I gather are thinking. One could not call it a stampede of XP users at this moment. At this rate, XP users will be vested in Windows 7 in 50 months and Vista users will be converted over in 67 months. With December 2012 only 24 months away, I predict 2013 will be the year of the Linux desktop.

Honestly, this data point doesn't really say very much. Sometime in 2010, XP numbers will fall and Windows 7 numbers will increase rapidly because corporate IT will believe they can trust Win7 and will start replacing old machines with new. (As long as the recession doesn't double dip.)

As to OS X... does anyone really care? If it falls below 4% does this MBP I'm typing on sublimate into vapor? Because, if so, I'd appreciate a warning.

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A fool and his money are easily parted!

" I was led to believe that the Vista to Win7 upgrade was the no-brainer,"

Well if you want to pay twice sure it is... I think the Vista crowd are just going to keep beying until they get thier deserved free upgrade.

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Poor Predictions

" I predict 2013 will be the year of the Linux desktop."

How did you come to that conclusion!? I think you mean 3013.

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More Prediction

It'll be easy to spot "the year of the Linux desktop", it'll be the very same year as the official "death of COBOL".

I reckon that if you want to chuck a long-running IT gag around, you might as well go with one that's got some serious milage on it.

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Interesting

Interesting how MacOS X usage jumped quite a bit around the introduction of Windows 7.

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Umm didnt it also drop as much shortly after? So in the end it balanced out right?

On a side isnt the pengiun an endangered species somewhere?

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Re OS X usage jumping

That's because all the Mac users were testing it in a VM...

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Big Mac

""Today, Apple gets one out every ten dollars spent on home computers worldwide."

Given their market-share in terms of numbers of units contra the above it says something about Mac's prices, hmmm?

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@Arctic Fox

Yes it does. They can only sell PCs by cutting the margins to the bone.

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More bullshit

from NetApplications. Proving once again that 87.3% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

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Bullshit?

If only the argument was so easy. Please either show your counter-data and argument, your differing analysis of the raw data or hold your tongue (well, fingers in this case).

Linux penetration remains at 1% (basically a rounding error) and it will continue to do so for a long, long time. This is, if I understand things correctly, because the Linux world is not focused on the desktop, but on the back-end (serves, clouds etc) and more "embedded" systems (set-top boxes, sat navs erc).

This explains a few things

1) Why Linux does so poorly on web state

2) Why basic features are missing/run poorly on a Linux distro (e.g. Flash, VPN, multi-head...)*

This may well change if Droid gains traction, but you can bet that Droid will be separated out and not counted as Linux (just as OSX is not counted as Unix).

*Yes, fanbois, I know these things *can* be done, but support is no where near as ubiquitous as it is on Windows and it is all hit-and-miss. I know - I've tried.**

**Yes, you may now say I'm too dumb to use Linux and I should go back to Windoze. Thank you for continuing to be the problem in the Linux community. You know where you can shove your pocket protector, don't you?

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hear hear

2) Why basic features are missing/run poorly on a Linux distro (e.g. Flash, VPN, multi-head...)*

This my biggest gripe with Ubuntu ... the bog-standard install will not carry anything which is not GNU-licensed. So (for example) Java is missing. No problem to install it (it's in the repositories). But it's something someone who knows how to use synaptic has to know what to do.

Flash is slightly different, as browsing to a flash-enabled page will bring up a plugin installer dialog. But then you get a choice of 3 players, which would frazzle a noddy user.

All power to Ubuntu for trying to maintain their open source roots, but zero points for making a meaningful noddy user desktop system.

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One in Five Dollars go to Apple?

"Today, Apple gets one out every ten dollars spent on home computers worldwide. In the US, its dollar share is more than one in five." - some Apple exec.

Wasn't it reported on the Reg not too long ago that Apple had 48% of the revenue?

Like... here:

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/11/26/apple_us_retail_sales/

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InSignificant?

Is this even statistically significant?

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Apples and Oranges

OS X is held to a higher standard by Mac users.

Myself, I have noted that all the applications I need to use are only recently reported by the respective vendors as being ready for the new release. I am now waiting to see how many updates come out for these "first releases" before even contemplating the update.

BTW -- How much of this web usage is driven by patch updates to windows? It would be fascinating to see those periods indicated on the graphs as well.

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Dubious achievement

My machines are firmly holding with XPpro. Concentrating on "computing" with large numerical models, using new, old and older legacy software that had to be manually installed to run on XP, and having little or no interest in pop culture and its mind-numbing manifestations, why should I? I've achieved a relatively high level of productivity with what I have and risking all of that for a promise from demonstrable incompetents isn't in my repertoire. I refused to bite on Vista and damned glad I didn't.

I know, MS will try to coerce me to change and I will dig in my heels - until they start launching suicide bombs through their updates, if they ever offer another update for XP.

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Updates

By updates are you referring to Automatic Updates? If so, I too have noticed a very, very sharp decline in the amount of updates sent down the pipes since the launch of Win7! Coincidence?? Seems to me that MS are giving up patching XP so that enough problems accumulate, turning what is, if we are honest, actually a pretty mature and stable* OS into another "reason" to upgrade to Win7.

* I can't remember the last time I saw a BSOD and the only PC I know that does crash is because of a hardware fault... the fault being that vibration from a sound system causes the graphics card to slide out of its slot... which reminds me... must get some gaffa tape!!!

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Linux blip

>The few, the proud, the penguins.<

+1 here for discovering the joys of Ubuntu, and hey, there are themes that give you mac / win style look and feel if that's what you need.

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Lovely.

Oh yes, please, let me have wobbly windows and desktop themes rather than a system that works with, well, you know, real world apps. As in office suites (and no, Open Bloody Orifice does not count, because it manages to screw up even simple Word documents in a spectacular fashion) or Photoshop (GIMP? Knee grow, please ...).

Linux is like the kit Lancia Top Gear tested - great fun to tinker with, looks lovely, shame the brakes jam up after a few laps.

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Well...

... all depends what you use the computer for, doesn't it?

I can't remember the last time I used an office suite for anything more than the basics, and those work equally well in Word, Open Office or Google Docs. GIMP does everything I ask of it. And my blood pressure's significantly lower for not having to dig through Windows' labyrinthine dialogs any time I want to change the least setting.

Various sayings about horses and courses spring to mind.

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Windows dialogs?

Labrynthine dialogs? Well at least Windows has dialogs. My first experience with the supposedly user friendly UBUNTU was last year when I installed it in VirtualBox. No problems with the install. It went in lovely. Then I tried to install the VirtualBox additions. Insufficient rights. Fair enough, but how to get those rights. No dialogs that I could see. I had no idea what the admin account was either, if there was one, because there was no prompting to enter user details for one at the install. So what to do? Off to the forums. Snide comments, laughter, and a bit of real advice. I tried several "Solutions", none of which I could get to work. You want to know about blood pressure? After some time struggling on with something that, to be honest, offered me nothing I couldn't already do, I deleted the damn virtual disk and got on with some real work.

Dont bother offering any advice now. I tried again this year and succeeded but, jeez, what a palaver. I still have the VM on my disk but cant remember when I last cranked it up or why I would bother to again. Give me those dialogs anyday, and the massive support resource I can find on line.

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Hey Rik - do you know any thing about statistics??

"while Mac OS X found itself moving in a direction Cupertino is not used to: downward"

Excuse me but the change over the last few months is similar to the NOISE that one sees between Jan and June 2008. Give me longer time scales and bigger changes!

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Agreed

I could easily interpret from that limited set of data, that Mac use takes a jump at the end of each year, and then varies with statistical insignificance through the year.

The only thing that you can reasonably infer from that graph, is that Windows 7 is selling. Brilliant. I would never have guessed.

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Lies, damn lies and statistics!

Ah, statistics! If you want to see one thing, you will, if you want to see something different next time you look, you will.

Stats and especially graphs, are only good for one thing. Impressing management so you can secure a bit more cash for new toys at work! Other than that, they are generally meaningless!

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*sigh*

Why are you people registered on a tech forum?

Most of you are utterly clueless.

Margins, margins margins.

Apple will be more valuable than Microsoft by 2013. Who cares about market share?

(It's only a W7 blip anyway. Doh)

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Lemon, uh I Mean Apple

If you look at the graph, you can count seven downturns in Apple's line. But over the long term that meant nothing. The TREND is steady upward. That is, generally, the mark of a good business plan.

Say what you want to about Apple, they're do something right. Methinks a lots of somethings right.

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Statistics..

I'm not a big Apple fan, but drawing trends from one month's activity isn't sensible, especially when the trend in the year to date is upwards. Look again in six months and *then* draw conclusions..

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Yes, it is all lies.

When these statistics are transposed onto my setup, these statistics are complete BS. For a start I don't even entertain Mac or OS x any more, and the one linux version I have running is on a VM workstation using XP as a host, along with which I have 3 more XP machines, a Vista machine and now two Win 7's running,and in reserve and unused on the web, I have 4 Win 95's and 2 Win 98's boxes. And in some fashion, I don't believe this to much different to many people running multiple boxes.

Does someone just make up all these figures for OS X and Linux, just to pretend that there is some competition out there? I bet this is really just a MS marketing ploy.

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Here's a clue

A sample of one (yourself) is not statistically significant.

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Stats?

Looking at the curves, over this short time span, then (with the exception of Win7) there's pretty much nothing but status quo to see here. You can interpret trend by in the manner you appear to have done. Also , a more interesting graph might be a comparison of XP-Vista-Win7. I'd be interested in seeing how much XP and Vista's share has eroded against win7.

I might be making too much of an extrapolation here but both Linux AND MacOS appear to grow (albeit slowly) over time ...

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sigh

The way the article's written you'd think OS X is sinking like the Titanic. Let's wait a few more months before we make rash predictions, shall we?

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Confused much?

I think you're confusing the article with the headline, which was clearly designed to bait people like you.

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Wait?!

This is the internet God damnit! We don't wait for anything - post now, think later!

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Easily explained

The uptick in Win 7 web usage can easily be explained away by Win 6.1 users desperately scrabbling around for working drivers, and the usual deluge of MS patches and hotfixes.

I love statistics. They can explain anything...

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More informative?

It would perhaps make a more informative comparison to see how Vista and XP performed over a comparable timespan following release.

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In other news

In Germany Firefox (combined) overtook IE (combined) according to http://www.w3b.org/technik/firefox-setzt-langjahriger-internet-explorer-dominanz-ein-ende.html

This ties in reasonably well with stats from German sites I know.

Anyone know how the browser makers will comply with the new EU law on cookies? Comes into force in the whole of the EU by the 26th April 2011 at the latest.

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BSOD

Could this be due to the new Windows 7 feature .... BSOD?

No, not the old Blue Screen of Death ... that is still available.

This is the NEW and EXCITING 'BLACK SCREEN OF DEATH'.

Available ONLY with Windows 7.

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two things

a) it is caused by malware, not MS

b) it affects Vista and XP too

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yep, had that

And its cousin Red

Yummy

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black screen of death is malware not OS

black screen of death is malware not OS....... as prevx have already aknowledged

and doesnt just do win7

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$1 out of $10 Huh???

Right, and that works out to be about 2 out of 7 machines when you consider market share.

Funny thing about 7. A bud of mine who swore he'd never use either Vista or 7 has bought a Windows 7 laptop with Home Premium. Why? Because the XP machine he built for his college freshman son died from multiple organ failure and the kid needed something immediately. Now he's just built his first Windows 7 machine with quad core processor, 4GB RAM and etc. All he had to do was play with it for a while and, as they say, the rest is history.

Apple was truly never a consideration.

I love it. And you Lummocks boys keep paddling. We need somebody to sweep up as the parade passes.

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"high margins"

Two words which sum up why so many of us don't like Apple, and treat as a special kind of idiot those who do.

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Linux?

"+1 here for discovering the joys of Ubuntu, and hey, there are themes that give you mac / win style look and feel if that's what you need."

Understanding this deep is why it will never be the Year of the Linux desktop.

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Vista

Just goes to show. The majority of vista users are those poor buggers who bought a system with it preinstalled and don't know any better.

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Apple and Pears

Now this would be more interesting if they were showing what percentage of web usage was windows based, and how much of that was the new version of windows, and then comparing that against how much was Mac OS X based, and how much of that was the new version of OS X, particularly when compared to the same timescales.

The interesting thing is surely not Mac V OS X, but instead how ready the users of those "competing" operating systems are to upgrade to the latest, and how many won't budge from XP/Tiger etc etc.

But that wouldn't allow them to beat the drum in the same way, so I can see why they would choose to misrepresent instead ;)

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