RE: RE: @Matt
Dude, seriously... Think about what you are writing
>"Your statemtent is wrong, in many levels...." Your statements are just
>the usual Sunshiner bleating - "Sun is always right, Sun is never wrong,
>everyone better do as Sun says or they're stupid".
YOU are saying that, no one else.. If YOU hate Sun, that's your problem.. more than that, that's your issue, get over it.
> ".....First, in the sense that most of those apache Apache webserver
>don't pay for support from anyone. They use opensource, they don't
>care about TCK or anything like it....." Really? I'm guessing those
>Sunshiner blinkers meant you missed the Reg article on how well
>Redhat is doing in the recession. They made something called a
> profit - look it up, then look up the last time Sun made one. All that
>through companies paying for subscriptions and support for "open
>source". And believe me, as a corporate customer of Redhat and a
>user of several Apache Org tools, we care a lot about standards -
>the more the better.
WRONG. Red Hat sells an operating system support (among other things). Sun sells Solaris support too, and it comes with Apache Web Server too. But most people using the LAMP stack don't pay for support, they don't care about it. Nobody said anything about Red Hat or the recession, you talked about "the most common webserver on the web by a massive margin"... but one thing are the users and other are paying users. That's open source for you, in case you didn't notice.
>"....Second, Apache webserver has NOTHING to do with Java...." Lol,
>the funniest one yet! Where do you think all those Java apps will be
>running, on printservers alone? Get a clue, think before you bleat,
>then try posting again. Apache has the webserving market sown up,
>Linux is a lot more relevant than Slowaris for Java in the long run,
>and so Oracle needs to make peace with the ASF to get the Linux
>community putting standardised Java apps on those Apache
>webservers. Otherwise, who knows - maybe the Linux crowd will
just tire of Sun's Java and make their own alternative, and then what
>value will be left for Larry from Sun's carcass?
You really must refrain your self from commenting on stuff you have no idea about.
Your "Java apps" run on an application server... like glassfish or tomcat (donated by Sun to the ASF in 1999). Web servers are for web sites.
Linux and standards... hehehe that will be funny.
Linux is open source... but open source does not mean linux... try to understand that.
>"....Apache is not Linux...." Correct, but the two go hand in hand.
>Just go check all those Apache servers and you'll see the majority
>of them are running on Linux of one form or another. It's been over
>a decade since Slowaris had any share worth mentioning in the
>webserving market. Sun need to get over their ego and actually try
>working with others. Sorry, I should have said Oracle should - it's
>too late for Sun, they fought the open source wave and lost big time!
Wrong. A lot of them also run on solaris and freebsd... and many others. And once again:
1) Web server =! Java, and, Java =! Web server.
2) Java SE != Java EE... Harmony is Java SE-like (OpenJDK), your "java apps" are Java EE... you obviously do not know nor understand the difference between those, so please, before embarrassing yourself further, do some research.
3) Open Source != Linux