Go go Nokia!

Nail these swine!

Weren't they happy to scupper parts of HTML 5 (codecs) over IP issues?

In the 20th century, the duty fell to Microsoft to keep this little company in check. In the 21st, the responsibility falls to Nokia.

Knowingly

"Company’s products and business methods may unknowingly infringe the patents or other intellectual property rights of third parties."

How is it unknowingly when an offer was made for them to license the technology? Once that is done, they are well aware and it is now knowingly patent infringement. Chances are, they have done this for the past year or two.

Surely most of this stuff is down at the component level?

Do Apple actually make the underlying electronics (i.e. fab the chips) for the iPhone, or do they buy them in from component manufacturers? I was under the impression that most of the bits which make a modern mobile phone are bought in from other companies which physically fabricate e.g. a GSM radio module, or a LCD including its backlight. Apple just did the overall product design and integration. Surely, then, the people Nokia should be chasing aren't Apple, but the companies who supply Apple with the infringing parts? Of course it's much easier to go after a big, profitable high-profile target when patent trolling than dealing with myriad smaller companies the public has never heard of...

@No argument tbh

Are you a Nokia shill?

If "all other cell phone manufacturers recognise the patents", that just means that they decided that the cost of litigating, plus the risk of losing and having to pay huge damages, was greater than the cost of licensing. Or they had a big enough pile of their own patents that they could enter into a cross-licensing deal. It absolutely does not mean that Nokia is "supported by the rest of the cell phone industry". (And if they were, that would be an illegal cartel).

(Oh and a HINT for Nokia: The reason Apple poses a threat is because they designed a good product for end-users, rather than designing what the networks asked for or even what the users asked for. Users never know what they really want).

Ac@02

Wrote.

The reason Apple poses a threat is because they designed a good product for end-users, rather than designing what the networks asked for or even what the users asked for. Users never know what they really want).

Ah so the end users asked for no multi tasking andno copy paste or removeable battery.

AC you are just another whiny Mac fanboy. Go away and leave technical matters to adults.

Uhm

"..it is possible that certain components of the Company’s products and business methods may unknowingly infringe the patents or other intellectual property rights of third parties."

The silly buggers seem to be just trying to escape the 'knowingly' part.

Evull Steve because he'd claim not tobe, not knowingly.

Nokia has such a strong case supported ... by the rest of the cell phone industry

How about some facts supporting this claim?

Evidence is welcome. Shills - please take the door on the right ...

@ Simon Banyard

"Way to come across as level headed. If you can't beat them through superior technology, sue the shit out of them..."

Geez, sounds like something straight out of the Apple playbook.

Don't kid yourself. Apple products are good but they're not perfect. If Apple is found guilty, it should shut up and pay up.

It makes me shudder to think, what if Apple was the Microsoft of today. What kind of bullshit would we have to put up with from Cupertino?? Ok, the "User Experience" would be better but at what cost - monetarily and freedom wise? Apple would have us all by the short and curly's. Choice would be non-existent. Must buy Apple peripheral to work with our shiny Apple machines and paying through the nose for it.

That little megalomaniac Hitler Jobs would have ultimate say in what we can do and what we can run on our machines. We would have to buy all our programs from Apple through the sorry and broken iTunes or some app store and if Apple deems a program that we bought is inappropriate, with a few keystrokes, Apple with swiftly delete the program from our computers. And if anyone dared to make another computer operating system or hardware or peripheral, Apple will thunder down on them a fury of lawsuits because it's remotely resembles the IP of something they made in the past. Now this is a vision of hell if there was one.

I can honestly see this happen with Apple if they were in the drivers seat. THANK GOD THEY'RE NOT and NEVER WILL BE.

Please excuse me while I run off to the store to buy my shiny new copy of Windows 7 ULTIMATE to dual boot with Ubuntu 9.10 which releases in a few hours. Cheers!

I love the smell of Lawyers in the morning.....

It would hae been much more apt for nokia to compete against apple with a viable product that had neither the dimensional aesthetic or aerodynamic qualities of a brick. Instead of researching elegant design they release the N97 one of the latest in a long line of bricks that on one hand may be as functional as an iPhone, while on the other somewhat broken and tendonitis afflicted hand; tends to leave a crater when thrown at solid objects such as walls.

It seems only too easy to pull out the Imaginary Property arguement and bash the competition into submission rather than actually compete. Once more IP Law comes to the rescue of the monopolistic practice (not to mention providing additional lining to the already well-endowed pockets of the patent lawyers) and the downfall of competition.

Make phones, not war..

re: Dave 14

My girlfriend loves the iphone and she wouldn't know what multi-tasking was, never needs copy-paste and generally would replace her phone before buying a new battery.

So no, real people don't care about those supposed killer features.

The only people who do care about that, are the 1% of the population who hang around tech sites instead.

oh sweet

I can see the mac fanbois crawling out of the woodwork for this one, I'd better make some popcorn and hit F5 every hour so. That way I can watch the delicious squealing whilst they writhe on a patented fishing hook.

Today is going to be a good day.

Double Standards

Some companies paid SCO - nearly everyone rallied against them !

Even if Apple scupper only 3 of the 10 claims it will be good for the industry.

Why do people hate Apple ? I guess just because their company won't buy them a Mac or an iPhone ?

Re: oh sweet

When catching fanbois, it's not the hook that's important, it's the bait....

RE: AC

Personally, my money is on Nokia going bankrupt before they can get any adjudication either way.

As for the bit about 'unknowingly' or not, that is Apple's polite way of saying that it is possible to patent almost anything these days, even when it is completely obvious. The theory goes that if you re-create a patented item, you must have done so be reading the Patent, and are therefore effectively breaching copyright. What Apple are saying is that this did not happen.

<-- What's the IT angle of this story? It has nothing to do with technology, only about commercial law.

'Unknowingly'

In the US,

a verdict of liability for unknowingly infringing a patent = award of damages

a verdict of liability for knowingly infringing a patent = award of triple ("punitive") damages

Suddenly, the SEC phrasing makes sense.

Having faced Nokia and tested the validity of some of its patents at the European Patent Office on behalf of a very-very-very well-known mobile technology innovator, and since Apple appears to have constructive notice of the patents (via past licensing offers)... I'd put quite a wad on Nokia, but I can't find a bookie to give me some odds. Meh.

Mine's the one with USC 35 in the backpocket.

Turn around!

"By refusing to compensate Nokia for its patented technologies, Apple is attempting to get a 'free ride' on the billions of dollars that Nokia has invested in research and development to provide the public with the wireless communications it enjoys today."

By encumbering public standards with patents, Nokia is attempting to get a 'free ride' on the billions of dollars paid by governments, operators and consumers for the wireless communications they enjoy today.

Nice to see some junk patent classics in there, too: "A backlight module for an LCD device." I wonder how many of them are software patents dressed up with a bit of hardware for that corrupt European Patent Office "technical effect".

I don't even like Apple, but Nokia seek to set a pretty dirty precedent with this incoming dose of PR fail. Best outcome possible: Apple and Nokia sue each other into the ground.

No, wait! Best outcome possible: legislators everywhere realise that patents are the instruments of shit that they truly are and actually reform the patent regime in a serious fashion involving a big red pen and repeatedly shouting "no!" at the idiots in charge of the patent organisations while striking out patentability on large areas of human endeavour.

Patents and patents

"If "all other cell phone manufacturers recognise the patents", that just means that they decided that the cost of litigating, plus the risk of losing and having to pay huge damages, was greater than the cost of licensing."

Or then there is something like 'quality' in those patents.

As far as I know, (at least some of) these patents were not originally granted in US, but here in Finland and here you can't patent:

a) anything that is obvious (in broad sense of word)

b) software

c) method

d) anything that is not very spesific

I'll bet than more than 99% of US patents fail in one or more of these conditions, thus making comparison to those meaningless.

I'll agree with the commenter if patents in question are patents only in US (because it's the only country which would grant a patent).

Deathmatch!

In one corner we have Apple. A search on this site for Apple and Patent is likely to throw up a good number of results as recently Apple have tried to patent everything from buttons to breathing. Witness also the current litigation against the makers of the Hackintosh and it's a fair assessment that Apple guard what they see as their IP pretty fervently.

Apple have long had form for taking standard kit, wrapping it up in a shiny box, sticking some proprietary software in it and doubling the price. Their argument and those of the fanboys who fork out for their shitty kit is frequently "Ooooh, but it's shiny!" or "But it just works!" Bollocks it just works. Have a look at the latest Time Capsule woes or the Snow Leopard debacle for stuff 'just working'.

In the other corner we have Nokia. Nokia have innovated where Apple pretended to. Nokia were instrumental in the bringing to market of mobile phones that were affordable to nearly everyone. They were at the forefront of the developing mobile technology and their phones could always be relied on to have the latest features with each new iteration of the tech. It's a much bandied-about term but Nokia kit is very frequently the 'state of the art'.

Now enter the Apple fanboys who think everything begins and ends with their poxy fucking phone. Look, people, it's a shitty phone with a shiny GUI. It's popular in the same way certain types of car are popular; not because they're good at what they do but because you want to be seen in it. Defending Apple for infringing the patents of another company or, worse still, trying to diminish the infringement 'because it's Apple' makes you look like what you are. Pathetic wankers.

Beer. For Nokia and anyone who doesn't own an iPhone.

old pcs

<<<<tell me how many ppl keep their pc's for more than 3 years in active service?" #

By Fatty Treats Posted Tuesday 3rd November 2009 12:52 GMT

Non windows users? It's the OS, not the hardware.>>>>

I see plenty of old (2002) XP PCs in my job and Unlike an OS X pc from that time all the latest software will install.

As OS X is now on its 6th version and most latest software expects at least 10.5 lots of mac users are left out in the cold