Dell is currently flogging a cheap-as-chips netbook that apparently comes loaded with that well-known Microsoft operating system, Ubuntu 8.04. Anyone dropping in on the computer maker's UK product website will be able to buy an Intel-based Inspiron Mini 10 laptop for £199 a pop. And, according to the blurb on the site, one …
I'm more interested in the "Free Color Upgrade"
Does this mean that MS Ubuntu only supports grayscale displays? How... quaint.
And there I was thinking that *buntu was the Microsoft of the Linux World.
If you run Linux and don't use Ubuntu you are considered a freak or weirdo.
As far a many people are concerned Ubuntu === Linux.
Ok, I'm outa here. Mines the one with "Stallman for PM" on the back
And Dell do go out of their way to make Linux an attractive option, and don't at all try to scare potential buyers away. Hell - I've been working in IT for 15 years and am about as tech-savvy as they come, and it almost scared me off.
Choose WINDOWS if:
You are already using WINDOWS programmes (e.g. Microsoft Office, ITunes etc) and want to continue using them
You are familiar with WINDOWS and do not want to learn new programmes for email, word processing etc
You are new to using computers
Choose UBUNTU if:
You do not plan to use Microsoft WINDOWS
You want to learn new programmes for email, word processing etc
You are interested in open source programming
Yeouwch - that'd be practically nobody then.
Oh and while I'm on a FUD rant, this statement...
"UBUNTU is not a Microsoft Windows operating system - and is not compatible with Microsoft Office programmes - so it's important you make the right choice"
...is designed to leave the uninitiated (and also a fair proportion of the initiated) with the impression that you can't create Word, Excel or PP docs on Linux. Technically correct, you can't run MS Office under it, but you can run OO, Symphony or similar which do the same job for nowt.
FUDFUDFUDFUDFUDFUDFUDFUDFUDFUDFUDFUDFUDFUDFUDFUDFUDFUDFUDFUDFUDFUDFUDFUDFUD etc. Repeat until bored.
Don't knock it
If it leads to Dell happily selling it, and customers feeling more confident in trying it - or even perceiving a much better user experience simply because they saw the word 'Microsoft' on the web page they bought it from six months ago - let them carry on doing it!
@ free colour upgrade
Clearly greyscale is 3x more energy efficient, a crucial advantage for SSCs, the pricepoint giving small batteries. Think about it, instead of RGB it's just the one.
@Lord Elpuss.. Agreed, it's some FUD. But it's not FUD for the sake of harming Ubuntu sales, it's FUD in the interest of avoiding people just buying whatever's cheapest, then calling and bitching out Dell because they can't run Quickbooks (this is the main example I see here... it's Windows only, and unlike gamers, Quickbooks users don't seem computer savvy enough in general to realize Ubuntu's not Windows until I tell them, or to realize that means Quickbooks won't run without a WIndows install until I tell them THAT too. It'll be great when and if Wine runs Quickbooks.)
I do think they should put a statement in that OpenOffice can handle most Office files, but this warning is warranted too -- some people DO try to stick the Office CD in first thing (even when all they use it for is stuff they could almost do in Notepad) so the warning's warranted I think. It costs Dell considerably for someone to buy a system then return or exchange it.
Don't underestimate people's cluelessness though, when we used to sell computers blank, I could tell the REAL stoops (who would not take my advice to not buy a blank machine, or lie and claim they were a computer expert...) because they'd try to put the Office CD into a completely blank machine and come and bitch when it wouldn't install..
Me: "Yes, Office is not Windows, you have to install an OS first"
Them: *blank stare*.
(We don't sell blank machines any more, except in bulk quantity to resellers, now when someone doesn't really know what they're doing, at least they have some software to use... plus the install's fully automated and acts as a limited burn-in test.)
Anyway, seems the template needs to have "Microsoft" taken out of the OS field's name. Pretty ironic though 8-). Probably if you find they right page they'll claim to have FreeDOS as a "Microsoft Operating System" too.
Is it just me?
Or is the the number 8.04 I find more troubling and backward than Microsoft?
Where's the Kuddly Kaola icon?
>>Technically correct, you can't run MS Office under it<<
Not even that is
There is a very good reason for that
It has nothing to do with "FUDFUDFUD" and a lot to do with the hassle involved in processing returns when people who don't know what they're doing wind up with something completely unexpected.
Dell, strangely enough, is in the business of making money and as such is highly inclined to follow the first rule of acquisition.
you can use MS Office on Ubuntu
Dell are lying!
Just install MS Office with wine. Or use CodeWeavers if you want total point and click installation.
It works perfectly well.
Note that only Windows is described as genuine. Microsoft Ubuntu must, ergo, be fake. QED.
A Microsoft OS that doesn't suck!
Sorry, someone had to.
Oh please. Give it a rest. Everyone already knows Dell is in MSFT's back pocket.
It's like yelling "OMFG! GM makes crap cars!" and wondering why everyone looks at you like a retard for not already knowing that.
Dell makes typo
El Reg makes sensationalist headline-grabbing article
world moves on
"Genuine Windows XP Home"
Is "Fake Windows XP Home" an option for some models?
My daugher has one
and its great.
That is all.
Doesn't Microsoft make all operating systems? Isn't that what a monopoly is?
Why doesn't Dell tell me these things?
Next time I buy a computer, I am using the new Seven and forgetting about all of these other things.
Microsoft Office will run on Linux
Yes you can do it.
Use CodeWeavers Crossover Linux to install and run Microsoft Office on Ubuntu.
They are not a freak, they are free to choose.
More people choose Ubuntu, than other Linux brands.
Choice, that is what it is about, and anyone who uses Linux is considered a freak by those who use MS.
Not that it worries me , I say forgive them they no not what they do.
re:"Genuine Windows XP Home"
Only if you get it shipped from china
RE: Is it just me?
8.04 is Ubuntu's most recent LTS (Long-Term Service) release, iow the one that Canonical actually pledge to keep supporting and maintaining for a good number of years. As such it's the sensible choice for an OEM to offer. Any more recent software the user really needs can be backported.
What it should say....
"Ubuntu is an Operating System and Operating Environment. Microsoft products can only dream"
MS Linux? Why not?
I've been thinking for a while that MS could do worse than buy Canonical and release a Microsoft branded Linux. I'd give it a try. The company has some real programming talent and resources to throw at a Linux distribution, and Ubuntu is already great.
It wouldn't have to replace Windows entirely, just complement it (great for small machines, servers, netbooks etc. - all sectors MS are likely to struggle in with their shitty old codebase).
You never know, maybe one day.
@MS Linux? Why not?
Do the words "embrace extend extinguish" mean anything to you?
@ Lord Elpuss
"You can't use MS Office on [Ubuntu]"
Yes you can! Works just fine for me. The wonders of WINE.
Presumably there is the game-playing support of windows DXwhatever with the linuxy free software from repositories and lack of DRM.
Awesome! Well done Microbesoft for finally producing something people will want.
barbra streisand effect
Is dell now using the barbra streisand effect to flog it'scomputers through attempting to marry competing operation systems in text to see the droves of nerds driving by to see their webpage?
Mine will be the one with a tardis full of fireworks in the pocket.
"UBUNTU is not a Microsoft Windows operating system - and is not compatible with Microsoft Office programmes - so it's important you make the right choice:"
there's another mixup :)
Choose WINDOWS if:
* You are already using WINDOWS programmes (e.g. Microsoft Office, ITunes etc) and want to continue using them
iTunes is one of the most typical Windows Programs one finds preinstalled, isn't it?
I'm guessing that Dell's qualifications come from being burned by consumers buying Linux PCs and then freaking out because they aren't running Windows.
@Lord Elpuss, Open Office is not MS Office, and the UI and functionality are sufficiently different to make the disclaimer worthwhile. You can do the "same job," but you can't run the *same software* which is a non-trivial distinction. I just love how the Linux crowd cry "FUD" as a knee-jerk reaction to anyone who doesn't have their lips firmly wrapped around Linus' pole. Don't forget to cup the balls, guys.
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