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October 22 has arrived, which means Microsoft can stop defending Windows Vista and start pretending it never happened. Eyes have now turned to Windows 7, while Windows Vista joins Microsoft Bob and Windows Me in the annals of underachievers past. Well, except for all those people who are still stuck with the thing. To celebrate …

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pathetic.

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Creeeeeek.....

The dusty door opens, and Vista is gently pushed onto the dusty shelf next to ME...

The door is closed then sealed once more...

We shall not speak again of this place.

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Lighten up

Whether or not you like Windows/Microsoft, an article about an event should not be littered with constant negative commentary. This seemed more like a platform to carry out a grudge than an article about what happened during the party. The market and end users will make the final determination about whether the features noted are worth it.

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Ballmer: party of one.

>"exciting" new features you’ll find in Windows 7CBS<

Here's one I'd like, that my Bluetooth (frigging) Microsoft mouse would still work after the laptop wakes up from sleep mode... when it wakes up, so far (HP laptop so it may be HP drivers at fault here), sleep mode has caused one BSOD, a couple of unexplained shutdowns and the screen refusing to come back to life.

>a major network in the US known for such highbrow programming as the CSI franchise and Two and a Half Men, will integrate its content with Windows Media Center. Users will be able to access all the CBS primetime shows on demand from within Media Center.<

Globally, or just for Americans? Guess we UK residents get Sky news.

>they showed how a laptop could boot in just 15 seconds and wake from sleep nearly instantaneously.Let’s see how responsive Windows 7 is after it’s been running for months loaded with apps<

Well my desktop's been running the RC since almost day of release, games, multimedia, 3d rendering etc, programs installed and uninstalled, virtXP etc and not only have I noticed no slowdown, but it's been remarkably well behaved, no BSODs, sleep to wake is seconds (I barely turn it off these days), games that would crash in Vista are rock solid in 7, colour me impressed...

Except for the price.

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You call this a news report? Just like howaboutsomegrace mentioned, this seems like you have a serious grudge with Microsoft/Windows. Are you a reporter or just a naysayer? Now try again, but this time without the bitter disposition please.

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@howaboutsomegrace

Vista was shit. Windows 7 is slightly polished shit.

The Reg tells it how it is. If you don't like it, go read PC World.

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Boot Times

Boot times only matter on operating systems that you have to reboot a lot.

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Re: Creeeeeek.....

"We shall not speak again of this place."

...until the next time...

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I swear This is a pathertic article written by an Angry little Snob

If you were that unhappy when you looked in the mirror you should have just stayed home and got drunk. Instead of an objective article about a Launch Party, we get a Moody teenage rant and a bitch-fest about how MS is not as sophisticated as Apple, reminiscent as How Conservatives \ Christians are viewed by the Liberal Snobs....

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HoHum

This was barely worth reporting, I can't wait for net Thursday though when Karmic Koala hits the streets...!

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@VoodooTrucker

<QUOTE>The Reg tells it how it is. If you don't like it, go read PC World.</QUOTE>

Nah! Ars Technica is heaps better than both. Its commenters are smarter too. Increasingly we (not the royal "we" but a bunch of us) come to the Register for some comedy but if we need a bit more depth we go see what Ars, and its commenters, have to say. Sad but true.

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@Graven

"It would seem that without walls, you have no place to put Windows."

After running Win7 for a week or so as (nearly) my only OS, that's certainly my take on it. I don't need barriers embedded in my OS, TYVM.

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The Family Guy?

I don't know what happens in translation while crossing the pond, but in the US it's called "Family Guy," sans any appendage of "The" to the title.

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Ballmer chills with Kylie...

...and says to her "Hey Kylie... Pull my finger."

o.O Don't do it Kylie... Oh shite...

...BOOM!

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Caption competition...

"I knew people said Kylie was short, but isn't she australian?"

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@VoodooTrucker

Posted to my spybook today -

Windows 7.

http://guffsturdpolish.com/

Come on Microsoft, hit us with another reason to switch to Linux!

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Gates Horns

there ain't no justice

If there _were_ justice, then Monkey Boy Ballmer would get arrested for child abuse.

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@ complainers

The event was billed as a launch party for Windows 7. Barely anything about Windows 7 itself was actually said. Hence criticism of Microsoft. Don't like it? Then do Ballmer's job for him and explain what's so new and great about 7.

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The Reg losing quality!

Is it just me ? Lately I see unwarranted criticism of anything MS on the reg.

C'mon reg, you are supposed to report, not just launch into mindless ranting about something MS has pulled off. The world would indeed be a sad place if MS was just like Apple.

Infact, it just seems like reg has become the Apple tamed press lots of other sites report about!

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eight million testers?

I wonder if they counted the two copies that were passed to me that I couldn't be bothered to install?

Faster boot times, sounds familiar; yes, Steve Ballmer talking about the future when Windows XP was released. The thought I had then still applies: in 1984 I had a computer that would boot from cold to the wordprocessing prompt in under 2 seconds (BBC micro with wordprocessor on ROM). Now I have a processor that's, say, 1000 times faster, but I still don't type any faster, and the documents I produce are not 1000 times better. Do we have a problem with software efficiency?

Mine's the dusty one with the cobwebs.

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A World without Walls?

Two things spring to mind.

1) If there were no walls then how would the 'Windows' stay up?

2) I'd rather have a world without windows than walls.

I'll wait for Fedora 12 thank you very much.

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Whiners

Come on, guys, we all know why we read El Reg! Don't play us the surprised types when Microsoft doesn't come out of the article in full glory.

Actually, as someone who has used it, I can tell you it is better than XP and Vista. But that's about all. And El Reg even is correct: There is nothing fundamentally new, and neither any wow-effect. It fscking works. Just like my Ubuntu. Shall I now scream with excitement? I guess not.

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Headmaster

Background Checks ?

I hope Mr Ballmer underwent the necessary background checks for working with children. After all, we wouldn't want someone who flies off the handle at the stupidest thing, to be working with children, would we ?

THINK OF THE CHILDREN !

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"explain what's so new and great about 7"

Well its bigger than 6. Dosent have any of those annoying curves and its not as pompous as 8.

Hmm i wonder if he was referring to Windows 7

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@Boot Times

That why it matters with Windows.

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Wait, what? A touchscreen TELEVISION?!

Why the hell would you want that? The remote control ("Bipper") was INVENTED so you didn't have to leave your seat, and the marketing guy is showing off how you can enjoy LEAVING YOUR SEAT and poking the screen?

Marketing FAIL, my man.

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yawn...

Ballmer is an idiot dot com

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So that isn't a teeny weeny

...bit creepy.

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How big is program files, and windows folders?

I've thought of a way to overcome all the performance issues with Windows 7 that are inevitably going to appear in the next few days.

1. Microsoft creates a RAMDISK dynamically at start time with all the spare ram,

2. It auto sets it up as a Raid 1 mirror for all program files and windows folders.

3. When the OS comes to get the file, it asks the mirror and the filesystem.

4. If the RAMDISK doesn't have the file, it gets it. This will be cheap as the real disk will be getting it as well.

5. It drops from RAMDISK files if they're written to.

6. In spare cycles, the RAMDISK is populated with useful stuff. Based on the last accessed time.

Hey presto, all you have to do is drop 32GBytes of ram into a box, and within a few minutes it's effectively an entirely hardware based box.

Can I have my "I don't want an ipod button please?"

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They've cracked the bloat thing then..

"He started by showing the interface for importing photos from a digital camera, pointing out that it displays an image of the actual model of camera you’ve connected to the system"

Just what we need, 400 assorted jpegs of cameras.

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Thank goodness Kylie didn't say...

she was now going to go do adverts for Google.

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NT4 Server

"Faster reboots to deliver more uptime"

Broadsheet ad strapline I kid you not.

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Still a toy OS

Windows always has been and always will be a mickey mouse toy OS. Useful only for (maybe) playing games on, or as an object exercise in how not to design an OS.

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@AC

Congratulations - you just invented the windows system cache.

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Obligatory Title

"If you want the full Windows 7 experience, be prepared to drop more cash on new hardware and gadgets."

So...that's bad when Microsoft say it, but good when Apple does...? As it happens, I'm already getting the full Windows 7 experience and liking it a lot better than Vista and even better than XP. Without new hardware. Seems to me that you're complaining that Ballmer and the various partners were demonstrating that new and various types of hardware would be effectively supported by Vista out of the box, and implying that you would have to go and buy them all, which is simply untrue and very poor reporting. If they hadn't demo'ed the capabilities mentioned, you'd have whinged about there being nothing new. A shoddy article that reads as though written by a snide teenager for a school mag. You embody fail.

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@ Uwe Dippel

You get the first beer of the day for saving me effort of typing the eaxct same thing!

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Life without walls

So no improvements on the security front then?

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Strange comments

Windows 7 has had heaps of articles in the mainstream press and here at El Reg, and they're almost exclusively positive and happyclappy. This article wasn't claiming to be an in-depth feature examination benchmarking W7 against other OS'es, it was someones underwhelmed impression of what sounds like an underwhelming product launch. The bizarre comments above seem to miss this point somehow?

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@RAMDISK

Isn't that what the pagefile is for? Oh wait, no- that's the other way around....

<unrelatedrant>

I have 6GB ram and no pagefile. Cue people telling me it's a bad idea, but my machine runs measurably faster than when I had 2GB ram and a 4GB pagefile. If I run out of memory, the application dies. I'm happy with that. Much better than the whole system grinding to a halt while it swaps to the disk so I have to reboot anyway.

</unrelatedrant>

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Stop knocking everything!!!!!!

The negative tone of the El Reg report was inappropriate and unjustified.

Computer experts of infinitely greater calibre than any El Reg journo do not lend their name, their reputation, and in this instance, their product, to something that's at best mediocre, at worst a pile of crap.

El Reg, however, chose to play down that particular aspect of the launch, preferring to make silly jokes about kids and Kylies instead.

Whereas little if any emphasis was placed on the presence at the launch party of a computer provided by Michael Dell.

Mr Dell did not get where he is today by heading up a global company selling over-priced under-performing junk. Mr Dell did not get where he is today by endorsing anything that was not of a standard commensurate with Dell computers.

Let's face it: the banner which has emblazoned Dell's adverts and websites for so many years was placed there only after considerable forethought:

"Dell Recommends Microsoft Vista"

As to the apparent restriction placed on customers who wanted something else on their Dell laptop or desktop, this too was imposed only after considerable forethought:

"Dell insists you take Microsoft Vista because as a valued customer we wish to spare you the consequences of running a really, really out-dated useless OS like XP."

Now, after the kind of objective in-depth research it devoted to Vista:

"Dell Recommends Microsoft Windows 7."

On which basis, El Reg should stop all the knocking.

Everyone here is more than capable of forming an unbiased opinion of Windows 7, now that Dell has once again fulfilled its role as the consumer's best friend.

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@pochrist

ooO, gEt HEr!

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Jobs Horns

CBS you say?

I've been watching their (and other people's stuff) on my hacked xBox (running XBMC and Navi-X) for quite a while now and I live in the UK. Been watching the original "Battlestar Galactica" - god it's shit!

I'd be interested in knowing more about what the OS can do for me, not the applications. I've been playing with Linux and I LOVE the home folder idea. "My Documents" is close, but when I tried to shift it all onto another drive in XP, half migrated and half stayed on C. Has this been fixed in Win7? Are all user settings now isolated from OS ones making migration/update a breeze; or is it still cocked in the horror called the "Registry"?

Does it support any new file systems? Such as ext3 or ext4?

Is it still riddled with DRM? Can I play recorded TV on any other PC?

What about USB support? Will it still moan that something is locking, but not tell me what? Will it still offer no "Force eject" option or similar?

Do the windows not have nice, handy features like "Always on top", "Roll up" etc?

Can I have multiple desktops that I can quickly switch between? (Handy for my work)

Does it, in a nutshell, do anything that XP does not do well enough to justify the £155 upgrade price?

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Docking station

"a notebook that docks and charges without using any cords"

Isn't that the definition of a notebook docking station?

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Features that seemed like a good idea at the time

"... importing photos from a digital camera, pointing out that it displays an image of the actual model of camera you’ve connected to the system"

And that's useful because? If I need to know what my camera looks like can't I just look at the actual camera that I've just plugged in?

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@Geoffrey W

YOU OK GEOFF, SHOUTING 'CAUSE I'M NOT SURE YOU CAN HEAR US THAT WELL, WHAT WITH YOUR HEAD BEING SO FAR UP YOUR OWN ARSE.

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Family Guy is perfect for Microsoft

An unremarkable show repeating the same unfunny jokes ad nauseam for an extremely undemanding audience while trying to pass itself off as youthful and inventive.

Actually, I take back my title. Microsoft is better than Family Guy, much, much better. And I use an Apple computer!

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Further to AC 23/10/09 10:38 GMT

Totally agree, it's not a 'feature', it's a gimmick, and a copied idea at that! Apple have had a similar gimmick with printers is OS X for years!

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Windows Me++

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One thing's for sure: it'll out-clock Windows Vista

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Nope - While the Release *candidate* was slick ,The actual *Release* is as sluggish as Vista!!

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IT moves on......

Those who slag El Reg for being negative regarding MS are being left behind by the evolution of 'their' business. Wake up, MS is a dinosaur, a fading light. Their products are often second rate, and their zenith is long past. Market share means squat. The market is made up of sheep, and someday soon enough of the herd shall have switched to alternatives for critical mass to be reached. Where the market goes next is the hard prediction.

I ran Windows 7 Build 7100 for a few months. I only hope the final effort is better. My perception was Vista with a polish....yes, I know thousands of people have said that before, but that's an oft repeated phrase for the obvious reason. Too slow, too big, too many restrictions, not open, too expensive, not simple enough.

On a tangent, democracy astounds me because every time the electoral cycle leads to a change between Labour/Conservative people think it'll be a wonderful thing. As opposed to more of the same, which is what it is. So Joe Public forgets they once thought soapy bubbles came out of Tony Blairs behind, and then thinks David Camerons behind now issues cleaning products, in-spite of previous evidence.

I expect better from IT folk though. They're more intelligent than Joe Public. An electoral cycle is currently about 12 years. It's about three years since Vista. A lot less time to forget. At this stage of Vistas lifecycle, people where still saying it was an OS that put forth soapy bubbles. People are saying Windows 7 utilizes nanotechnology to stay clean forever (what a step forward). In three short years an intelligent proportion of society has jumped through the same mental hoops that it takes mouth breathers 12 years to jump through.

To put all that in plain English, I am disappointed with Windows 7 and am genuinely surprised that other folk are satisfied with it (so far).

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Gaming?

I suppose they never tried a dual/triple monitor rig. Not so unusual a setup. The Vista/7 graphics model does not accomodate multi-monitor systems in spanning mode... as opposed to XP!

So ye olde gamers, stick to XP.

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