...... still works for me?
The Pirate Bay has been out of action for the best part of a day, after its Netherlands-based ISP was ordered to halt its service to the BitTorrent tracker site. NForce, which TPB switched to last weekend, responded to a request from Dutch anti-piracy group Brein (statement translated from Dutch to English) yesterday to cut …
...... still works for me?
Just tried it (12:20) and it's back online.
Methinks the movie industry is trying to stamp out a several thousand acre forest fire with their feet and small buckets of water... ain't gonna happen, if TPB goes down 'for good' people will just migrate like they did when Suprnova got the axe.
So, a profit led mafia based consortium can follow and close a pirate site - even unto the Ukraine, yet the governments of the world are powerless to close down child pornography sites. Does nobody see the utter wrongness in this.
Just move to some other obscure couldnt-care-less place. Like .tv or USA for instance.
Yes, i am angry,it took me 4 minutes more than usual to get my dose of freetardism, ... damn lawyers!
ah! thank that Goggle(TM) is there!
I haven't been able to connect since yesterday - and still can't. Get timeouts from my location (UK), traceroute gets lost somewhere in the middle, and I can't even connect when I try to connect from random TOR exit nodes around the world.
I does seem like they are spending a lot of time and effort chasing the proverbial air bubble in the wall-paper (you know what I mean). Espceially when anybody can just create a 'bespoke' google search for torrents.
Oh no, she looked....
Apparently there are less-than-desireable things on the Intertubes these days.
I don't get it. Every viagra pushing or rolex tauting spammer manages to find bulletproof hosting in the PRC and the pirate bay is offline after a single threat?
About time we shutdown TPB, absolutely useless, since the Beeb and Daily Mail started shouting about TPB, the world, his wife, their kids and the neighbours are on there, uploading crap and hit-and-running the torrents!
So now all the freetards will start setting up custom, locked up torrent trackers, invite only. That's a good thing as the quality goes up and people behave themselves better on private trackers!
So it's everybody back to IRC for the moment then!
You penny pinching fucknuts.
I wish a fuckton of hell pain and fury upon you all.
Go buy the effing stuff for effs sake.
All this work to top 1 site...there are so many out there, if one goes down then theres another right around the corner (and google).
TPB 4 Lyfe ™
I have a proxy running on a fasthosts server and from there it's working fine. I think it's time I changed my ISP
Direct some of that righteousness at the content providers themselves.
They have systematically stolen from everyone by using legal technicalities to extend Copyright duration (despite calculated studies that point to a 'sane and useful' copyright duration being around 10-13 years), literally stealing the public domain.
This has no big outcry. One of the biggest scams against the public ever.
Yet when the individual has the affrontery to turn around as say "You take from me, I take from you" then there's a massive outcry.
The companies have something for nothing (Copyright extended way beyond all utility to art and society). The deal to society? Sorry guys, you're screwed.
Readdress the balance in Copyright (say, 13 years, as advised by scientific analysis) and I'll start to take it more seriously as a bargain between society and industry.
If they're hell bent on stealing from everyone, then I advocate the favour be returned.
N.B. I don't fileshare; all my purchases are legit. I'm just all for the balance being kept before we sleepwalk (further) into a full blown corporate feudalism.
Repeat after me, "Pirate Bay is a tool. A tool can be used for good or evil. Not everybody uses it for breaking copyright (assuming such a thing exists in one's current location). Etc."
You could also try, "ForthIsNotDead is a tool."
TPB can pop up again anywhere and there are so many alternatives. Is the effort and cost really worth it?
Like Tony Paulazzo and Jeroen Wijnands said above, TPB can be closed down in different countries by the demands of media companies but those peddling counterfeit drugs or watches, child porn and the like seem to thrive all over the Internet.
'Go buy the effing stuff for effs sake'
I will do when the films are released a year later in my country. Until then, I'm downloading.
Entirely agree with your point about FORTH being alive and well.
Your shrieks about piracy seem a little deranged though.
Why so many heartfelt replies? I mean, it's even got the troll *icon*.
Though I most certainly do agree that Forth is doing quite well, quite prolific among embedded systems, space missions, and SPARC system firmware.
...here's a FAC'in answer for y'all I recently posted elsewhere, but share and share alike, as this argument seems to be positing:
....all music is held in a virtual cloud 'somewhere' (unimportant?). Access to the cloud is by subscription. Cloud guarantees top quality downloads, full format .flac/.ape/.whatever streamed at mega speeds, making it super easy to use. Why? Because spacemonkeys like us are by nature lazy, and like bright shiny things, and will go for the convenience of a live streaming feed over the inconvenience of searching the web/ mate's hard drives, and getting crap flat bitrates. If the subscription's low enough (and i don't mean astronomical 'build your own mega media murdoch style empire out of it' £50/ month bollocks, more like an affordable £5/10 or summint, 'cos den all da youf will pay up) then (virtually)everyone will be signed up.
Let those poor media whores get to work on marketing it, they're gonna need the work, but as a business model, it requires two precedent.
All the music must be available instantly, from any artist, at top quality, for a single monthly (say) rate. This the ONLY effective way to 'stamp out piracy'. Or rather the practice of downloading media without contributing in any meaningful way to the revenue stream. Any attempt to compromise on this position from the distribution companies would allow the formation of a two tier (paying vs non paying) system to reemerge.
The revenue generated is then split proportionally between the artists, (ATD was responsible for 0.0001% of global distribution this month, ATD gets 0.0001% of revenue stream less distribution costs etc). No more 'cheap bargain bins' for artists music to rot in. No more will the latest album cost more than the (usually better) first one. Instead a whole body of work will be responsible for the artists career. Appropriate weighting could perhaps be used for those whose sheer volume of material produced on an annual level (aphex twin?) might allow them to out gross those who spend a lot more time on things, and therefore don't have as many viable downloadable revenue points (tracks) for their music (Axl Rose?)(haha).
The artists material is all held by (effectively) ONE cloudbased server. Different distribution companies would compete within a predefined pricing structure, to ensure content is accessible by all, whist being able to maintain some health commercial competition amongst themselves for who gets the lions share of the subscribers. Different companies would offer different tiers of performance based on the usual customer service vs ease of use of product vs price that basically defines most commercial enterprises. But effectively it's 'all free', you just pay for how bright and shiny you want the packaging, cos' that's what spacemonkey's want, remember?
Funnily enough, this is the same model used by electricity generation/distribution now in practise in the uk/usa/ and any other Friedman based economy. Course music is much easier to generate than electricity, and much more fun, and there is literally an infinite supply, so I can't see the massive Enron style problems rearing their corporate heads here. If they do, we'll all be back to the auld P2P/etc, and everyone suffers.
How's that? Comments please...
just to force me to use a proxy to get to the piratebay for a couple of hours. Now it's up again running as well as ever. Someone is pissing a lot of money up against the wall to achieve nothing.
TPB have relocated their services to a provider named "CB3ROB.NET" .. as the updated RIPE-whois of DCP-ANYCAST clearly shows:
inetnum: 18.104.22.168 - 22.214.171.124
descr: DCP Networks Anycast
changed: email@example.com 20091005
The website of that provider, CB3ROB.net sports a nice "PIRATE PARTEI" logo-link at the very top of the page. Further on, CB3ROB seems to be located in Germany. That gives us a nice little list for the last week, including host countries like Sweden, Ukraine, Netherlands and now Germany.
Who's next? Iceland?
Working again around 1:00 P.M. CST
I'll be damned TPB boys keep losing in court. Whodda thunk? Life at the Iron Bar Hotel is not going to be pleasant for these convicted criminals.
Even if thepiratebay.org is shutdown permanently, which I think is unlikely, the consequences will be:
1) the proliferation of such sites perhaps behind a meta-site as the website itself isn't that difficult to replicate. I mean - what's wrong with a search engine of search engines of torrent search engines? Spygle has shown us we don't need no fooking domains.
2) the proliferation of torrents in general. I've noticed a marked upturn in speed recently which cannot solely be based on fatter pipes. The brouhaha has obviously been good advertising for the torrent services.
3) the proliferation of encrypted peer-to-peer equivalents and "deep-proxies" such as Tor. Methinks a torrent derivative as part of a putative Skype follower could be just a start.
What will happen when the law firms phone numbers start getting published and their phones get overloaded? Its very hard to run a law firm if your phones are getting enough calls to take down the local exchange. I wonder if any law firms would even take the on a case once they heard the last few law firms went broke and still can't use their phones.
Just goes to show you where peoples priority lays. Bet you a pound to a pinch of excrement though that if CP was monetized a similar effort to stamp it out would take place.
Instead, we loose civil liberties by the truck load whilst anyone with the know-how can access such content with ease.
Shutting down TBP like this is the thin end of the wedge. I thought ISPs were supposed to be like the post office i.e. common carriers and not responsible for the content. Shutting down the message by shooting the messenger is censorship by diktat and surely illegal under EU law?
How long before Brein or an organisation like it says "I dont like what the BBC or ElReg are saying about me" and threatens their carriers with legal action unless they close their connections? If they (Brien and their paymasters) don't like the message then go after TPB through the courts in the EU not the ISPs.
I thought the Dutch had thrown off the nazi yoke.
Your not thinking wide enough Anonymous Coward. Find the law firms VoIP service.
Not much use a VoIP phone can have when halfway through a conversation both ends hear "This service is terminated for suspicion of illegal music downloads by order of <own firm name> and RIAA." beep, beep, beep...