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A new web service aims to recruit tens of thousands of unpaid watchmen to monitor neglected CCTV cameras nationwide. Internet Eyes, a start up based in Stratford-upon-Avon, plans to charge businesses £20 per month for members of its website to watch live camera feeds and report incidents via text message. In return, the members …

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£1000 to be scarred for life

I feel sorry for the person who ends up watching, helplessly, as someone is kicked to death on CCTV...

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Three incients per month?

So if you report two graffiti artists and a dog fouling the stabbing you see next will have to go unreported?

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Brilliant...

"users will be allowed three alert messages per month"

Poor sod being knifed when the watcher is on No.4

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Of course its a bloody game

***"It's not a game. We're fighting crime and terrorism," Tony Morgan, the businessman behind the idea told The Register*.***

If the people doing the watching are paid, then they are employees.

If they are unpaid then they are volunteers.

If they do it to win prizes then they are competitors which means it *is* a frikking *GAME*.

FFS, snooping for prizes, where could this end? "£100 if you spot a mugging, £1000 if you spot a rape. If you are lucky you may even see a murder and grab the £10,000 star prize and appear in our next TV commercial."**

**Terms and conditions apply, winning entries must result in a conviction for which you may be required to appear in court. Internet Eyes accepts no responsibility for any death or injury that may occur at the hands of the defendant, and witness relocation costs may be deducted from your prize money.

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How can we be sure this is for real?

Where is the bricks and mortar address, registration number etc for this company/organisation on the web site?

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Re: How can we be sure this is for real?

All on Companies House.

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@hermes & @stef 4

would you imagine that they would be unable to log in and watch after reporting the 3rd incident?

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Brown shirts or Black?

(To go with the jackboots)

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heh

grass on friends, family, random passers by, prizes to be won! Vote fascist for another twelve years of total law enforcement!

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Twitchy Neighbours...

Oh FFS - so now they want the public to do their spying fo them...

I for one welcome our oppresive UK camera society and curtain twitchers.

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Sign me up!

I am keen. Of course, as a shocking bigot, I will turn a blind eye to any racial violence of white-on-black, but will report any non-white person who even looks like a wrong'un. No violence against women will be reported by me, because them slags deserve anything coming to them. And a child in danger? The little girls are all lolitas, aren't they, and the boys sweet fruit begging to be plucked. Speeding -- there's too much Government interference anyway, so I'd let those freeweheeling motorists have their fun. Photographers: reported, every single one of them. Same goes for those pinko commie protestors.

And the public will feel safer because there are eyes they can trust behind the camera. Way-hay!

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I've applied!

BUT, only 3xSMS per month. so, if I see 3 false alarms*, then see a kiddie being bundled into the boot of a car against his/her will, what then?

OK, I can report it next month. Better late than never.

Some business ideas won't work, because they're obviously thought out in the pub. Bit like this comment.

I'll report progress and findings to El Reg. if required.

* Anyone remember that advertisement for the Independent(?) Newspaper. on TV, (1993?) when a black mugger grabs a white businessman, and wrestles him to the ground in the gap between two parked cars?

Camera to a different angle, and we see the 'mugger' was pushing the honkey out of the way of falling scaffolding.

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and still no-one will watch

So you sign up, get assigned your video feeds - for which the suck^H^H^H^Hcustomer pays £20 per month for you to watch. Then what?

Simple(s) you bugger off and play golf all day. Just leave the CCTV feeds to rot. Who will know? Who will care? Why would you care?

I can't see any possible reason why any company would possibly want to pay any amount at all for the feed from their CCTVs to be sent off to a vacant monitor somewhere on the internet, when they can have it all fed to a monitor of their own - which no-one will watch, either.

There's no oversight on this, no possibility of an audit and no way of verifying that anyone is implementing the service the customers are paying for.

If there was any place where the question "who watches the watchers?" needs to be asked, this is it.

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So???

How do they award the £1000 when the max score anyone can have per month is 3???

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No

Just NO FFS.

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Not a game?

If it's not a game of skill that wins the £1000 prize isn't it considered gambling for the prize then? It's certainly a chance that you spot things, not skill.. so covered by the Gambling Act 2005 surely?

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CSI:Basingstoke

I eagerly look forward to this appearing on a member of the CSI family, where to win that magical £1000 by arranging several murders under their favourite camera.

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Points mean prizes!

They say:

"At the end of each month the top scorer will receive a £1,000 cash reward"

but:

"To discourage frivolous reports, users will be allowed three alert messages per month."

So the top scorer will have, at a maximum, 3 points?

That seems like it's going to make it rather difficult for them to pick out a single winner from amongst the inevitable curtain-twitching-2.0 horde.

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Thank God, the only people that will be intrested will be Big Brother retards

Because they will get bored after 5 mins without a swear word or some lovely jubilees and switch off

but it does stink more than a little of Red Dwarf ' Back to Reality'.

Step aside Voter!

Could this be the Tories idea to get everyone off Incapacity Benefit.

Here's a job you can do, just like watching Big Brother.

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@Chris Williams

I think his point was, or at least my point is, that the company number, registered address etc should all be on their website for all to see, not just hidden on some Companies House website database. The Companies House website can be used to cross check their company claims.

The Register has put a number of articles up over the years regarding the requirement for publicising company details on company websites, emails and literature - surprised they didn't pick up on this themselves.

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Gets worse...

Now, a new form appears this afternoon - (hidden behind a previously inactive, but still unnoticeable) link under "Become a user for FREE), which requires ticking "I agree to the terms and conditions".

There aint any, as far as I can see...

Think we're in Muppet territory. Best log ou<SNAP>t

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Pick a quiet crossing

and report everyone jaywalking. Profit!

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Wait a second...

You get 3 texts per month and then the person with the most points each month wins a prize, won't the total always be 3?? Or are the crimes rated on depravity/savageness? 1 point for a doggy poop, 2 points for a mugging, 3 points for a stabbing and the jackpot of 4 points for a murder? Either way the prize system can't be realistic if you've got a total of 3 texts per month unless....

a) Each valid text which was a crime is then added back as another text

b) I missed something?

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Just like the movies

Which movie was it, which had banks and banks of people watching cameras of normal people going about their lives.....it wasnt a nice movie....

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No...

...potential for abuse here then...

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@Pete 2 re. and still no-one will watch

"..no possibility of an audit and no way of verifying that anyone is implementing the service the customers are paying for..."

I suggest that for £20 a month, you and I can go round the country staging fake muggings and break-ins at the premises of our clients and then check for adequate reporting of these events.

If we get enough clients, we can hire staff to do the boring work such as writing up reports etc.

It will be fun and we'll get lots of exercise. We can take it in turns to be mugger and muggee and will probably end up as You Tube stars. What do you say?

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Can't see it working.

Watching CCTV footage is notoriously boring. I can see a lot of people signing up to do this and not bothering to go back after the first hour or so.

The distant possiblity of a £1000 prize isn't enough to make me sit through hours of CCTV footage a month. If the idea is that people do this as a background activity, is that really going to bring any results?

I think it'd be a better use of this company's money to hire some AI programmers and try and make software able to spot criminal behaviour on video feeds.

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Ah, they mentioned terrorism

so it MUST be a good idea. We can all sleep safely in our beds now :$

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Moronic.

He added he had "taken legal advice and been assured Internet Eyes will comply with data protection and privacy laws."

This advice will have been sourced from the same persons that advised BT over the ledgality of the Phorm trials no doubt?

I'll give a prize to the first person who identifies which "Lord" has his snout in this trough... but you can only send 3 entries per month.

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legal??

Surely this can't be legal?? you know it's the office busy-bodies that will be signing up for this, as all they ever do is watch soaps and then talk incessently about them all day, every day. What would be better for them that a real life soap opera??

This country keeps slipping further and further downhill, once i've thought we've gone as low as possible for a 1st world country, the ground collapses and we go further down towards hell*. yay!!

*metophorically speaking, of course, what with hell not actually existing.

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Re: and still no-one will watch

But the chance is that somebody will. In normal case it is guaranteed nobody will. Still better that not having that option.

I suggest we force all those scroungers on Incapacity Benefit and such to sit for the whole day and watch this. Let them earn their wage. They can even lay down with a laptop if they want. It's just a matter of controlling software that checks they're not cheating and buggering off to the pub in the meantime. All for the price of cheap-ass laptop and internet connection.

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Red Dwarf - Back To Reality

[reading posters on the wall of the car park]

Sebastian Doyle: "Vote Fascist for a Third Glorious Decade of Total Law Enforcement"?

Jake Bullet: "Be a Government Informer. Betray Your Family & Friends. Fabulous Prizes to be Won"?

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Dear me

There are so many things wrong with this, and of course, to the unthinking, the old "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" argument will almost certainly apply.

ODFO.

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kewl...

..can i av like the estate in the next town. Wot wif all the good films on tv being like banned, I can watch like TWOC, fights and a beatch getting some off some hommies, and get paid for it. And I can putting it on utube.Banging. Whers is me pizza.

Wicked innit !

<or what ever the misguided youth of today say>

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Suspicious activities

If you see a crime occurring then report them

If you see suspicious activity then report them

If you see something you don't like then report them

Be careful because the camera is also watching you.

We're on our way.

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@Andus McCoatover

I believe the ad was for the grauniad, director K. Loach?

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"As an inspiration he cites..."

"...recent Metropolitan Police figures showing that fewer than one crime is solved for every 1,000 CCTV cameras deployed in London."

So what SHOULD it be? Fewer than one crime per month? Per year? Is the presumption that there's a crime in front of every CCTV camera at some point during whatever time period, and thus that the ratio should be 1:1? What the hell does that even MEAN?

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Do you get to move the cameras?

Which one is opposite Sarah Bee's house? I wanna stalk Sarah!

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I have a wild idea

What if, instead of spending lots of money on stupid non-sentient cameras that allegedly no one watches, we instead spend the money on more real flesh-and-blood cops (these "cops" come with their own built-in crime-detection software, binocular camera system, and can quickly move from place to place on things called "legs".)

Fuck me, I should patent this and become rich!

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Re: Do you get to move the cameras?

Try it. I'm sure my dog will be very happy. He could do with the savaging practice.

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Emaill

Spelling mistake on their sign up form... not that I was rushing to sign up or anything... >_>

So technically right, I look at my local CCTV, run out, do some mild crime that gets me a free bed for the night, report it via text, repeat, and get myself a cool £1000 for 3 nights on the town?

Sounds brilliant.

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Bonus Points?

... also, do we receive bonus points if we send in an MMS with a screenshot of the crime? I mean, if I was watching and this scene (off of their site); http://interneteyes.co.uk/images/gunman.jpg happened... I would most definitely want some sort of photographic evidence to prove my text was worth the £1000.

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@ frank ly

I've got a better idea, why not actually DO the muggings for real then we can keep the loot AND get the reward.

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Does 'justice' get more random than this?

This is so wrong in every way. Eight year olds can send the plods after you for no reason other than that they are bored. Anonymously and without penalty.

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@ First AC

"I feel sorry for the person who ends up watching, helplessly, as someone is kicked to death on CCTV..."

What about the poor sod who gets kicked to death on CCTV when nobody's watching? At least this might get an ambulance to him a little sooner.

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We're fighting crime and terrorism...

... ORLY?

So exactly *how many* CCTV cameras are in "terrorism hotspots"? And if they are, why aren't they being monitored in the first place...?

And how long before someone gets a couple of mates to stage a violent crime in front of a camera (making sure, of course, that the "attacker" can't be identified) and then reports it to scoop the jackpot...?

If you want a picture of the future, imagine watching a CCTV image of a boot stamping on a human face - forever...

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Guardian ad

It was a skinhead, saving a businessman - you can see it at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3bfO1rE7Yg amongst other places.

Just as interesting as the rest of this item was "Metropolitan Police figures showing that fewer than one crime is solved for every 1,000 CCTV cameras deployed in London."

Rather makes a mockery of things like their attempt to insist on CCTV as a licensing requirement.

And some of crimes solved by CCTV will probably be the police beating people up at G20. Do you suppose they included those in the figures? :)

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@Re: Do you get to move the cameras?

He does have a point though, after thinking "dear lord what is up with the world" quickly followed by "If you see a pair of teenagers shagging are you now a sex offender?" I came to "Gee I bet this would be handy if you wanted to stalk people"

I mean one thing the new order brings is a great opportunity for voyeurs and stalkers. That kink is almost encouraged.

Anyway I say ban high bridges, if it saves just one child it's worth it!

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ILLEGAL!!!

So I am assuming everyone who joins this website has a full SIA CCTV license?

Of course they must have, its the only way you can monitor members of the public or any public areas via CCTV.

Oh dear, time for some massive fines for this website and court action!

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Saturday night back street cameras

Saturday night back street cameras are gona be popular.

Also, i see a problem with the prize:

"In return, the members will be entered into a crime-fighting league, receiving points for each genuine incident reported. At the end of each month the top scorer will receive a £1,000 cash reward"

"To discourage frivolous reports, users will be allowed three alert messages per month."

So in effect that makes this a lottery, unless for the fact that "fewer than one crime is solved for every 1,000 CCTV cameras deployed" means that they dont expect many people above 0 on the league table...?

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