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The proposed $7.4bn dollar merger takeover of Sun by Oracle is facing a full competition investigation by the European Commission. Competition Commissioner 'Steelie' Neelie Kroes said: The Commission has to examine very carefully the effects on competition in Europe when the world's leading proprietary database company proposes …

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Euro-trash tossers

Why is it always the fscking EU which tries to make itself look big and important?

I'm from the UK, by the way, but I try to distance myself from the EU.

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DoJ?

> In the US the Department of Justice is still considering the proposed merger.

Nope. Was approved on August 20th

http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/press/029738

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WTF?

OOPS!

I believe the US DOJ has approved already.

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Badgers

*Angry

Very angry. There are hardly only 2 viable databases available in the market...bloody eurotwats.

*anxious employee.

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Could be accademic though

If they delay long enough, there might not be enough of Sun left to make a difference, so if Sun fail in the meantime, what price MySQL's survival.

Competitor FUD's already harming Sun's sales position, surly the market overall has to be more competative under a joint Sun Oracle offering, than without Sun at all. Is mySQL really that important on its own, Java yes but, it's not as if it's the only database out there. Handing the processor market to Intel/IBM must surly be a greater threat.

What price P series and AMD, if Sun dies.

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Ridiculous

It's open source, it belongs to no one. Oracle can kill off their MySQL development if they want, they have no obligations to the market.

If someone else wants to pick up the Open Source flame, no one is stopping them. This probe is ridiculous.

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mySQL is more web oriented

Oracle will still develop and support for this reason and well hell, Sun and mySQL AB turned a profit in it. Why wouldn't oracle want to?

mySQL has already forked in fear however.

http://askmonty.org/wiki/index.php/MariaDB

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Dead Vulture

Sun died of natural death on April 20, but it was dying long ago

Market Cap: Sep2000: 184B$ / Feb2008: 2,3B$

Products Net Revenue: 1998: 8.675M$ / 2009: 6.704M$

RISC Market (IDC - Rolling Quarter): 2000Q4: 11.749M$ / 2009Q1: 4.629M$

X64 - Share (IDC - Rolling Quarter): 2009Q1: 2,56%

FY2008 - Net Income: 403M$

FY2009 - Net Loss: 2.234M$

Unix Market Q209 (IDC): IBM: 41,4% share / Sun: 27,3% share

und so weiter....

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@Euro-trash tossers

Oh, so you prefer the American (and increasingly British) approach of allowing companies to screw everyone whichever way they please in the all consuming pursuit of 'growth'...?

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agreed

agreed with previous comments... this investigation makes no sense, as there is nothing oracle can do to harm mysql, being open source, anyone can fork it if they want.

and anyways, mysql doesn´t really compete against oracle, ibm or microsoft, so it´s not anticompetitive monopoly... I wonder, will the commision justify the reason for they investigation or just leave to the public to imagine the lack of understanding they have on the matter...?

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Novell & RedHat

EU people have a soft spot for Novell and Red Hat, which would significantly suffer from the death of MySQL. They will ask Oracle to spin it off (so that Novell or RH can buy it), which Larry will gladly do (the project is fundamentally dead already, anyway).

Win-win for everyone, except Sun employees who have to endure another year of bureaucratic pain.

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dumped

I dumped my remaining shares today. I can't stand it any more. If oracle bails and pays the 200+M to cancel, java shares will hit 2$ in a day or less.

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RE: Anonymous Coward @ 16:34 GMT

Not really, but the EU has traditionally always tried to be the goody-two-shoes of the world, and that has been proved here - there have been many other better fights to try to pick than this one.

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The blind criminals leading the sheep.

> Oh, so you prefer the American (and increasingly British) approach of allowing companies to screw everyone whichever way they please in the all consuming pursuit of 'growth'...?

The other choice is letting governments screw you over.

The difference is that paying Oracle, Microsoft, and IBM is voluntary... You can always use something else like Linux and MySQL even if it's less then desirable.

However if you don't pay your government and don't obey their rules (no matter how obnoxious or stupid) they send armed men to your house to take everything you own, take you away from your love ones, destroy your life, destroy your career, and throw in a cage if you resist them too strongly. And they couldn't give a shit less.

If a world were your a fucking moron if you trust your government I'll take the capitalist approach, thank you very much.

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DOJ -- Corporate Rubber Stamp

Well done "Steelie Neelie".

The EU seems to be the only organisation that take the job of preventing controlling monolpilies seriously.

When was the last time the DOJ blocked or even investigated a proposed merger?

I do think she picked the wrong battleground though. Oracles ownership of Java poses far more serious questions to the software industry as a whole especialy given Larry's history of "freinship" twoards the competition.

Think about it. IBM has an enormous suite of Java based software, Oracle has a few non core Java based products it picked up by accident during its buying spree. Why spend money developing a language tool that is mostly used by the competition?

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WTF?

Oracle wont cancel....milk it and kill do they will

The deal only $5.5B it is

STK to EMC for $1B (hey Sun spent $4B) they will sell

SPARC and Solaris to HP for $2B (Maintenance and EDS will surely justify at least $2B) they sell

Keep JAVA, Oracle can turn this into a $1B profit engine they will

MySQL (pretend to invest and force everyone to Oracle) reverse the $2B bleed from Oracle

....those pesky Euro trash know our game and don't appreciate Hara-kiri Larry

x86 product line...kill it and OEM from HP

It's simple milk it and kill it. Weblogic 47% price increase in 6 months and Virtual Iron...kill it in 30 days

....Let's face it the less companies the better....as long as they are all US based...fcuk the EU

Kebabbert

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The need for speed

Agree with AC of 16:34. Regulators are suppossed to protect the market and consumers, Monopoly => No market => We get ripped of more than normal.

What we need are regulators with the nads to make sensible decisions quickley and not have things drag through the courts. Otherwise a legit investment by Oracle is rendered valueless by years of delay.

Having said all that, I can't believe Oracle bought the whole of Sun just to get its paws on MySQL. It just isn't that valable. If it is going to cause endless delay, it will get spun off or put at armslength like EMC-VMWare

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compettition in server market Vs database market

The longer the EU spends looking into the database market, the more time Sun's rivals have to take server + hardware customers away. already Sun's market share has dropped to 10%.

So I see the following Irony, while trying to stop competition erosion in one market, The EU commission will contribute to competition erosion in another market.

Therefore, while I think the EU is right to investigate, I really hope that they do not spend too long doing it.

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