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BT has been forced to put the brakes on an ongoing pilot of faster broadband technology in north London because of protests from local residents, who say its new roadside cabinets are too big and ugly. Haringey Council has blocked BT from installing any further equipment on the leafy streets of Muswell Hill until it rethinks the …

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Terminator

Seinfeld, Ep 116

NO FAST BROADBAND FOR YOU!!!

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MPT

We'll have it down here

I know where they can put their new kit if Muswell Hill doesn't want it.

Down here in Cornwall. Pretty sure residents and businesses down here would love to be at the front of the que for decent infrastructure roll-out compared to the usual last in line for everything.

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Muswell hill yah

My router is small and slim and i can hide it from site, why can't BT do the same.

Size isn't everything and nones impressed by BT anymore, hide it in an exchange, wtf do I have to pay 50p a month extra for this type of shite.

And I bet they haven't applied for the proper planning permission.

F+++ BT, F+++ Carphone warehouse/TalkTalk et al.

The public own the country not f++++++ some money only whore company who only gives a shit about making the rich richer.

For a fact TalkTalk only entered the market to make money not to provide a decent connection, BT balked at unbundling, balking now at having to upgrade their own network.

If it wasn't for the public there would be no BT. At least Virgin/NTL and Sky fund there own expansions, but at a cost it sems their subscribers will pay. BT forces it down your neck, no options.

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and no soup either!

If they dont want the cabinets, can they delivered up to postcode YO61 please.

Thanks

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WHAT !!!!

Fuck it they can put 10 of them right infront of my place ...

Please .......

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Grenade

Conservation Area Advisory Committee

Sounds like they don't use broadband.

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Happy

Gimme gimme gimme!

If they don't want them, I know a street that does!

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BT's War on Pavements

Why is it that BT and other telcos think that pavements are just free space for their boxes and their vans. Here in Bristol, whenever the council widens a bit of pavement to make it safer to cross a busy road, BT or a mobile telco immediately try to take it over, as somewhere big enough for a mast, a couple of boxes and a van is exactly what they want.

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There are plenty of areas who want their fast broadband

Are there any complaints from those who want the cabinets?

All these sort of protests just count the ones who are against it and make them look like the majority. Maybe we should find out who does want them. It may just be a majority.

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Happy

Lol! All we need.....

....is a survey by a group of London based Estate agents , saying that proximity to a fast exchange is more important than proximity to good schools and transport links, in both the letting market and the sales market, for studio flats to 4 bed houses.

Who knows, it might even be true!!!!

Might be one helluvan eye opener for the NIMBY residential committees in some areas.

Maybe they might have to pay "hello money " to BT et al , if it was conclusively found to be true.

(From the Evening Standard, 07 August 2012) Classifieds

Lock-up garage, 4mx3m, own metered power supply, telecoms:

Suit internet hobbyist /seedboxer ,100mtr from main high speed exchange (Muswell Hill)

£650.00 pcm ono.

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Happy

Made me laugh..

"For a fact TalkTalk only entered the market to make money "

And why else does any other company set up!? Just cause they are kind. What nice folks. Making money is *always* a secondary consideration. From the folks in the Dragon's Den to McDonalds. They all have *us* in mind!

Welcome to reality dude.

I'm Connected - The Tea Chain says so :)

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@AC 11:49

The obvious flaw in your "put it in an exchange" argument is... what would be the fuckin point?? These fibre optics are to get the data FROM the exchange to the street level.

Try thinking before typing.

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Simple Solution

"A BT spokeswoman said the new cabinets had to be larger because they needed powered electronics to convert the light signals transmitted over fibre optics to electrical signals to be transmitted to and from homes, over copper."

So just replace the copper to the home with fibre, too. Screw 40Mb/s, let's all get 100Mb/s and up!

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That's the flaw...

That's the flaw with FTTC, maybe they should rethink FTTH ;)

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No ugly

Can we see the face of the conservationists ??? So I can decide if they are un-ugly enough to walk the streets of Muswell Hill !!!

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Boffin

the mind boggles.

There is a very simple solution that the post office solved nearly 100 years ago.

Dig a hole, 0.8m, put connections and stuff that doesnt need checking/altering there, and then put the accessible stuff higher up, thus cabinet is 1.0m off ground.

Width issue - muswell hill has narrow paths, but all the boxes are right on peoples gardens, just give the home owner free fibre broadband and put the box back a foot into there garden solved.

And where its not possible just do what they have done since the war - use 2 boxes side by side.

As for the prams, well thats the internet faster internet = more prams roflmao.

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Bloody typical!

Britain tries to drag its telecoms infrastructure up from third-world status and what happens?

Some bunch of poncey monied NIMBYs (who probably think dial-up is fast enough as they only use the internet for petitioning their local council) deny their neighbours a vital step in faster online access.

Come the (technological) revolution, those bastards will be lined up in front of their bloody Chelsea tractors and gunned down like the selfish scum they are.

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@Muswell Hill yah

RE: "hide it in an exchange".

They (BT) are trialling Fibre to the Cabinet (FTTC). Putting the cabinet in an exchange is the opposite of the point of the trial.

You then swear all over the place, making fairly pointless arguments.

Cock.

That is all.

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@Anonymous Coward 11:49 GMT

Be quiet fool

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Coat

ref the property values

if a customer speaks to me and has exceptional bb speeds, i often pop them a spot of advice about adding such details to their property advice pack or whatever they callt hem. it would certyainly be a question i would ask when viewing property..

as muswell hill: pah, who cares. conservation area? does that extend to the typw of car you are allowed to drive? ge trid of those ugly modern cars..pre 1940s models only to suit the rest of the borough's mentality..

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MnM

Put the cabinets in Starbucks

If you don't have a starbucks near you, it's the life you chose

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Alexandra Palace

Would be a good spot for those cabinets *laugh*

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WTF?

I live in Muswell Hill....

...and apart from an obscene amount of roadworks, I've not seen any sign of this fast broadband. I guess I have to be a BT Broadband customer to benefit. And they are more than welcome to stick a big ugly box outside of my ugly little box flat.

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Black Helicopters

oh dear

I live in Muswell hill and this doesn’t half make me laugh. I can see the yummy mummies stampeding up the streets, getting stuck on the street furniture with their stupidly oversized push chairs...

I gave up on BT years ago...

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Is it just me?

I know that there ould be some issues, but...

Why not bury it? Cab is 1.8m tall, dig a hole 1.8m down and big enough that a person can get in too, cover as per manholes, put a small cab on top to deal with cooling. Simples.

I know it's not as simple as that, but it's a good solution IMHO

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Happy

Why not make it look nice?

You know, thatched roof, mock tudor beams etc. Lovely.

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WTF?

Virgin Media...

I'm thinking of the famous 'Telewest' green street cabinets here... They've been around for > 10 years and are the end points for their fibre.

They're not 1.8m tall.

Am I missing something?

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@AC "Muswell hill yah"

To describe spelling as utterly retarded would leave me no with adequate description of your ability to actually read and comprehend the article in question.

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@ The Muswell Hill yah muppet.

"My router is small and slim and i can hide it from site, why can't BT do the same"

Well take you router + power, multiply by 100 or more (number of houses it will serve). How samll is it now?

Size isn't everything and nones impressed by BT anymore, hide it in an exchange, wtf do I have to pay 50p a month extra for this type of shite.

As mentioned before. This is the opposite end of the exchange, i.e your mummys home end

And I bet they haven't applied for the proper planning permission.

Don't have to. Only becuase it's a conservation area is there a problem.

F+++ BT, F+++ Carphone warehouse/TalkTalk et al.

So who do you use for phone line 9sorry who does your mummy use?). Or has someone been disconnected for making calls to the old lady down the road?

The public own the country not f++++++ some money only whore company who only gives a shit about making the rich richer.

Actually, here's the shock, the people do NOT own the country, the vast majority of land is not owned by the public. If you belive otheriwse, can we come and shit in your (moms) garden, after all, we own it, so why not?

For a fact TalkTalk only entered the market to make money not to provide a decent connection, BT balked at unbundling, balking now at having to upgrade their own network.

Wow private business wnats to make money. Shock horror!

If it wasn't for the public there would be no BT. At least Virgin/NTL and Sky fund there own expansions, but at a cost it sems their subscribers will pay. BT forces it down your neck, no options.

And how do your think NTL and Sky talk to the rest of the population? Magic pixie dust? How much do you think your subscribtion would be if Sky / NTL actually paid for every mile of copper BT own that they use (they pay flat rates regardless of where the call is routed? How much do you think it would cost if these actually moved out of the large, high density, profitable cities and into smaller towns and villages? I reckon a few hundred quid a month.

So go crawl back under your stone, do some reading up and come out to play when you can string a comprehensive argument together.

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Wrong point of view

BT are placing large boxes in the public foot path without regard to the feelings or desires of the residents.

Yes the residents want the service. No they do not want their paths taken over by big green BT boxes. These paths are for the daily use of the residents, and that includes prams pushchairs and wheelchairs.

My wife uses a wheel chair and I have had enough of having to push her along the road because some mindless idiot has blocked the pathway. Whether that be with a Comms box, Pile of sand, parked car (get loads of scratches on those), skip, rubbish boxes / bags, etc.

The residents have accepted the smaller boxes so why didn't BT model the new kit on those? So BT shrink your street boxesand every one will be happier.

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Dig a whole..

.. may be the answer but it may not. First off their is the question of what is the ground under the box. Most streets are full of pipes and wires. secondly their is the problem of what goes in the bottom of the cabinet. Thirdly their is the question of how you maintain that which is in the bottom of the cabinet. Having sead this I dont know why they cant lie the cabinet on its side. 1.8 meters is very tall! There is also a coserted effort to reduce street architecture so I simpavise with the residents on this.

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"why can't they make it small like my router?"

Because your router doesn't have to handle lightning, homeless people, vandalism, floods, hot summers, freezing conditions, the occasional car crash, or, oh, fifty subscribers worth of pirate movies and pornography.

Just you, which only counts as "vandalism" and maybe two or three normal people's allowance of porno.

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Harringey

If they'd actually done any research into their trial area at all before building these things, they would have found out immediately that parts of Muswell Hill are mostly populated by well off busy bodies who spent large amounts of time objecting to anything and everything. Quite amusing really since Muswell Hill is in Harringey, a borough which is notorious for dreaming up expensive hair-brained schemes aimed at improving the lot of its residents but which would normally have the opposite effect. (case in point, its intention to turn the entire borough into one great big CPZ, which we in nearby Hornsey have fought off twice now)

Usually these things are stopped at the last minute by furious objections from Muswell Hill or Crouch End, but not before the council has blown loads of money on the scheme first. In a way I love that the people won't just bend over and take it from the local authority or companies with dubious intentions. Sometimes justice is trampled anyway, as was the case with the recently green-lighted concrete factory to be built in a residential area near schools thanks to the proximity of a railway siding.

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Technology need not necessitate ugliness

Advances in technology shouldn't just make the place look like a dump. I guess people objected to the red phoneboxes when they came out but they definitely look a fair bit nicer than the exchange boxes. And people are prepared to deal with the hassle of digging up roads so that we don't have a mess of cables running over our heads.

If you're upgrading the infrastructure you might as well spend a bit of money on digging holes to hide things and employing some designers to make what does stick out complement the scenery rather than a necessary evil.

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@NIMBY people

Speaking as someone who lives in a conservation area, you have to accept certain disadvantages (no sat dishes in view, you can't do what you want to visible parts of the house etc) for the overall advantage of living somewhere that has been selected for it's niceness.

I hardly think it's NIMBYism to to not want the front of your grade two listed building (or preservation ordered building) to not have a large out of place green monolith placed outside it. The streets in the area where I live do have a single small greenbox, it's not particularly offensive, but if it were 1.8m tall it would block light out of the nearest house and be pretty ugly. Not to mention taking up a large area on the very narrow footpath. Like someone mentioned above, a little lateral thinking on the part of BT and placing the box as much underground as possible would probably be a good solution, it's not as if conservation areas are rare.

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Deliver one to...

KY11...

We (or more so me..) will happily have on in my back garden if it means faster broadband!

I for one welcome our 1.8m tall faster broadband delivering boxed overlords... (had to be said)...

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Anonymous Coward

Hmmm, wonder if this argument will work in Brighton's conservation areas?

BT boxes? No, BHCC's bins.

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@Karnka

Exactly what I was thinking. There's a green Diamond Cable cab across the road from me, it's not that tall.

This smacks of BT being shite as per usual - swing and a miss.

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Bring them up north

You know, where we have ample sized pavements and plenty of trees to hide them amongst and would enjoy getting more than the pathetic 512kbps - 1mbps we're allowed at the moment.

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@AC - 11:49 - "Muswell hill yah "

Jeez....what hole in the ground did you crawl out of. Bozo and Retard bit's flipped for you my boy.

"My router is small and slim and i can hide it from site, why can't BT do the same." - *facepalm*.

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dig a hole

and then put the gubbins on a little slidy thing, like those power points you see in new kitchens and in the middle of meeting room desks. It would look pretty cool.

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Better things to do

Hmm, Haringey district council. That name rings a bell. Shouldn't they be focussing their energies on child protection not street furniture.

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Happy

1.8 metre-tall cabinets

Dig a 1 metre deep hole, problem solved.

Also considering how bad my Internet connection is as home currently, then I wouldn't mind them building it 18 metres tall and I live inside the cabinet!.

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@AC "Muswell hill yah"

In addition to all the other people who rightly point out you've got poor logic, read up on who paid for the NTL/Virgin infrastructure ultimately. It may surprise you. As for Sky, it doesn't own it's infrastructure. Its sats are owned by Astra, it's broadband is provided over BT infrastructure, and it's unbundled some of the local loops - much like a whole host of other ISPs.

An idea, a little knowledge and a keyboard - bad combo it seems

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Whiney little richy biznitches...

...in an uppity neighborhood whining about having a 5 foot tall box of fiber-to-copper kit close by; I just wasted a perfectly good mouthful of coffee upon reading that shite. I'm in that gray zone between exurbia and boondocks where you're just glad you're within the zone to get 1.5 Mb DSL. I would be thrilled to cordon off a sector of outyard for my ISP to put in a fiber-fed node and the building/shed to house it in exchange for a gratis FiOS connection and service, and my chow says that he would keep the vandals away too. There again, maybe the best bet is to just let these crybabies take the piss over these boxes while the vast majority who would welcome the faster connection contacts the ISP to let them know where the boxes would be welcomed with open arms.

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Luddites Live Again

Bunch of fucktards. Switch them all back to dial as punishment!

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Typical Muswell Hill A*ses

Typical from the yummy mummies and liberal media dads who litter the streets of Muswell Hill! After all, Muswell Hill is not exactly attractive, is it? And it's stuffed to the brim with BMW X5s, off-road pushchairs and double decaf lattes. Although the Chinese Takeaway next to the cinema has always been pretty good.

'FAIL' because NIMBYs are good at standing in the way of improvements in the world. I suppose they'd rather the exchanges were replaced with Agas.

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Anonymous Coward

This article is useless..

..without a picture.

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new skin

Give them a nice fashionalble "brickwork" skin.

That or paint them green.

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yeah, well....

I think North London residents are big and ugly, now gimmie some superfast broadband!

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