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A website that parodied the site of a political lobbying organisation has survived a domain name challenge from the target of its satire because there was no commercial exploitation of the name, even though it was deliberately confusing. The Sutherland Institute in the US is a right wing think tank based in Utah that seeks to …

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Ah, politics

Had the political roles been reversed, had it been a right-wing group spoofing a left-wing group, the former would have been lucky to avoid arrest, never mind have their "right" upheld.

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No money made from the site

''There are no requests for financial support on [the] website.''

Very often a site like this will have a ''request for donations in support of the campaign'', does this suggest that if they had done so the decision might have gone the other way ? Or would it have been a matter of ''profiting'' - ie generating funds over and above those needed to maintain the campaign ?

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O'reilly

"The Institute said in its evidence to the panel that the site had caused confusion and had caused one donor to the Institute to be worried about its direction."

Good.

But, the sad thing is it's only one donor.

Wonder what their god O'Reilly will have to say about it?

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Good to hear..

.. news about a decent and rational decision being made for once.

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Wow

Well done I'd say. This is the first piece of good news thats come out of any of these sort of hearings that I've heard. Maybe there's still hope out there...

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Profit

(Alain Williams): 'Very often a site like this will have a "request for donations in support of the campaign", does this suggest that if they had done so the decision might have gone the other way ? Or would it have been a matter of "profiting" - ie generating funds over and above those needed to maintain the campaign ?'

The criterion is whether or not the organisation is "for profit", not whether or not they have made one in any particular period, whether by asking for donations or by selling sponge cakes.

Being in the black at the end of the year doesn't make an organisation "for profit" any more than a commercial organisation can claim not to be "for profit" by claiming that "we made a loss for the last five years".

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@ Roger Pearse

Yeah, and they're ALL OUT TO GET YOU, right?

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Right wing group complains about free market?

Based on the content of their website, they should be happy with this ruling as it fits in with their philosophy of free markets and minimal regulatory interference.

Or perhaps they should have bought all the obvious domain combinations when they had the chance?

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"The Institute said in its evidence to the panel that the site had caused confusion and had caused one donor to the Institute to be worried about its direction."

Oh, to have been a fly on the wall for that conversation....

"Hi, Sutherland Institute."

"Uh, hi. Listen, I'm a regular donor to your campaign, but I've just been on your website and ... er ...."

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@Roger Pearse

"Had the political roles been reversed, had it been a right-wing group spoofing a left-wing group, the former would have been lucky to avoid arrest, never mind have their 'right' upheld."

It's like when right-wing groups commit terrorism it's somehow part of the holy struggle against Communism / Islam / British Imperialism / whatever.

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Childish of me....very very childish

"... Sutherland Institute was founded in 1995 by Gaylord ...."

Bwahahahaha! hahahahahaha!

- http://sutherlandinstitute.org/sitePages/?section=aboutus&page=whoweare

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Roger Pearse

Had the political roles been reversed, had it been a right-wing group spoofing a left-wing group, the former would have been lucky to avoid arrest, never mind have their "right" upheld.

And how would they be arrested in the US ? Hmm ever seen the site god hate fags? Its right wing and spews hate speech. Yet those evil left wing folks have not manged to get the site shut down.

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Deep joy

"Yet only by the exercise of mental gymnastics may a group of gay rights activists be defined as a 'competitor' of a conservative public policy think tank."

Very well put, especially for a court ruling.This case delights on so many levels: free-marketeers hoist with their own petard, die-hard republicans outwitted by gays, and so on. Anyway, isn't 'right-wing think tank' some sort of oxymoron..?

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@James Pickett

"'right-wing think tank' some sort of oxymoron"

No. In this instance it's "to tank" as in "to fail miserably".

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Simpler logic...

If they're too cheep to buy their .com domain in the first place, then they really do deserve it, regardless of the rights and wrongs.

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@ David Austin

The Sutherland Institute is probably staffed by clean cut Mormons in sacred undies who tend to lead rather sheltered lives and don't understand the intertubes quite as well as you might expect.

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@Roger Pearse

You forgot your Liberal Bias icon. Here, have mine.

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Ironic...

Ironic that the first website is exercising their free right to speech, the second is attacking it for doing so, then the second is saved by the constitutional right to free speech.

All of which means they're both cancelling each other out and everyone will retain the same opinions they had before they visited either site!

It's a wonder we bother getting out of bed in the morning for all the difference we make to the world.

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@David Austin

Well, I don't (at least, I hope) that it was not just money that made them go with an .org domain. There once was a time when domain extensions actually served a purpose. When they told you what type of site it or the organisation behind the site was.

".org"'s were just that; organisations. Could be a local chapter of your garden social, could be a PAC, but it was a gathering of people of like minds, usually non-profit.

".com"'s were commerical endeavors. Hence, you know, the "com" part.

".net"'s were networks or a company involved in upkeeping the "net"work, eh?

But, all this has been subverted back in the domain gold rush days of the "90er's". Oh, well. Doesn't forgive anyone for their views, but does show that someone's web admin was actually doing their job. Nowadays, they would be flayed for not buying every conceivable combination of domain name to "protect the brand". Bah.

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Worrisome precedent

This decision appears to have been reached solely because both parties were in the US. That leaves open the possibility that the outcome could have been the reverse if either party was not based in the US. It sets a precedent to include national politics in domain name decisions.

Will all targets now enjoy this same standard, or will rights be ranked on a scale of 0-10 and domains made to be handed over accordingly?

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Re: @Roger Pearse

“It's like when right-wing groups commit terrorism it's somehow part of the holy struggle against Communism / Islam / British Imperialism / whatever.”

Oh yes. We're Communist Islamic Imperialists here. VERY dangerous. You'd better watch out…

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This decision is typical of the left

This is in my opinion a decision brought by an activist liberal judge. I don't even have to research the Judges pick for president, it was no doubt the liar and chief Obama, our con artist dictator. Shame on the left and that crooked Judge!

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@Sven Coenye

"This decision appears to have been reached solely because both parties were in the US. That leaves open the possibility that the outcome could have been the reverse if either party was not based in the US. It sets a precedent to include national politics in domain name decisions."

No. What they say is simply "since both organisations are US-based, they are both subject to US law, so that's all we need to consider". It does not set any precedent for what might happen in international cases, simply that international law is irrelevant in this particular case.

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scientology-london.com as a critic site of it's dot org counterpart

www.scientology-london.com (vs scientology-london.ORG)

^ some very highly paid lawyers must be crying themselves to sleep every night.

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