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Metallica drummer and pro-copyright mouthpiece Lars Ulrich is "proud" he helped wipe out internet file-sharing site Napster. Speaking to Kerrang! magazine, Ulrich added he wasn't wallowing in "glory" following his band's crucial role in the downfall of Napster. Metallica infamously took legal action against the website in July …

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Ah, that reminds me

Must remember to download the latest album, it's apparently better than the shit they've been putting out for oh, 20 years, since they decided that thrash metal wasn't selling enough. Still, things change and move I guess, that's just an opinion after all.

So cheers for the heads up Lars!

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Jobs Halo

Nicely up-to-date, Lars

There's nothing like wallowing in past glory, wouldn't you say? But if that's the best thing you've done in the past decade....

Still, credit is due for acknowledging the other side of the argument. Few in the music biz do even bother to recognise the opposition which (rather like any major conflict around the world - I'm looking at you Middle East) only serves to exacerbate the fight.

Steve Jobs, because as much as I detest Apple it must be recognised they have given the recording industry a deserved kick up the backside.

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Happy

don't forget

"they did portray me and Metallica as being greedy rock pigs and luddites"

Technically, you're also twats as well. Don't forget that. Though (technically) that wasn't the "other side" that proved it.

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I like Metallica, but...

*and repeat it with me*

Lars Ulrich is a cock.

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Eh?

"Earlier this year Ulrich admitted to illegally downloading his band's latest album from a BitTorrent tracker site"

As far as I'm aware its not illegal to download your own property

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Not all his though

But it's not, strictly speaking, 100% his own property is it? The rest of the band will be part owners, and I'm sure the record company and various other hangers-on will also own parts of it.

Lars Ulrich is a cock

Lars Ulrich is a cock

Lars Ulrich is a cock

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@Stephen Gray

Probably not but I suspect it would then be shared from Ulrich's computer to other (presumably torrent) users which is a criminal offence worse than murder punishable by torture and death... RIAA better fire up its lawyers against this high profile miscreant!

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@Stephen Gray

"As far as I'm aware its not illegal to download your own property"

But this goes to the heart of the downloading music argument. Although the songs are, in fact, his, you could argue (as the assorted recording industries and Mr. Ulrich himself do) that this represents a lost sale.

Although Larsey would therefore be stealing a few cents from himself he would also be stealing from the record company, distributor, credit card processing company, session musicians etc. etc. etc - in effect anyone else who would be entitled to a cut of any sale that was made.

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@Lupus

You're spot on there mate.

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Perhaps

..if that no talent ass clown had spent more time trying to progress then they would have had better sales. Instead they jumped on the nu metal bandwagon.

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Grenade

Where was the proof?

What is this proof he speaks of? The man is a good drummer and should stick to what he knows. He is also good at spouting utter bollocks by the looks of it.

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What a knob.

If by "wipe out" he means "generate tons of publicity" then yes, well done Lars.

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Thanks, Ulrich

Though not a user of Napster or any of the other dubiously legal downloading facilities, I /still/ found Ulrich's pompous and offensively pious attitude so insufferable that I could no longer bear to listen to his band. Which I think is a net gain for my taste in music.

"Lars Ulrich is a cock" etc.

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erm

don't forget the take down at olga.net

except the cowards who want fans to pay to learn their songs won't even name themselves in that one.

(a/c for the irony)

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so why hasn't he been sued yet?

Since he's admitted the download, why haven't the RIAA taken him to court and fined him $1000000 per track? They'd do it to anyone else who was stupid enough to publicly admit downloading.

Doesn't he realise he was distributing copyrighted material whilst he was downloading it .

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Megaphone

Flash animation

Anyone remember the very funny Flash animation poking fun at Larse & his merry men? There was a huge troll at the back who just said "Napster BAD!!", I've been trying to find a copy for years...

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Could it be...

Could it be that while browsing Napster, they noticed no-one was interested in any of the guff they released since about 1991 (or thereabouts) and decided that it was about time to lay off the cocaine, dry out in rehab and try to write a thrash album again...?

'cos that's what's happened! (Admittedly it took them a couple of tries to get it right...)

ps. It's true - "Large Oilrig" is a cock

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Cock Rock

I bet after downloading he thought "thank f**k i didn't waste a tenner on that"

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I appreciate it

The decline in Napster-style filesharing networks has lead to increased participation in torrenting, which is a much better way of obtaining just about anything. Napster, Kazaa, DC++ are a jumbled clusterfuck of staticky, mislabeled tracks. Sharing entire discographies in torrents is much more effective. By scaring users away from old networks, litigation contributes to the uptake of new technologies - so, thanks!

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@Tom Paine

You're looking for the "Napster bad" animation by Camp Chaos. These days it's a quicktime video, and can be found at http://www.campchaos.com/blog-archives/2006/05/napster_bad.html

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Grenade

download

I know several people who downloaded their albums just because they kicked up a stink. As for listening to them. The last 2 were so bad it's a wonder they sold any copies!!!

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@ Tom Paine

http://www.campchaos.com/blog-archives/2006/05/napster_bad.html

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Pirate

What a cock!

@Tom Paine I've also been looking for that. The troll was Hetfield.

Anyway what a load of crap. How did I get into Metallica? I was given copies in the playground. When I got my first job I bought all the albums up to and including Metallica...it was down hill for them after that....another bus crash is in order!!!

In fact I most music I got into was copies from friends and now I own legal copies of any albums I had copies.

Skull and crossbones cos it's the closest to Eddie!!!

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"Luddite"? Nah.

"Burnout"? Yah.

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Drummer

Proving the theory that drummers sit at the back and drum because they are too stupid to do anything else and that whatever you do, you should never interview one.

Apparently in an attempt to prove he was down with the kids he download his own album illegaly. He really is some kind of missing link.

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what about the study I recall some time ago

by MIT (or some such body ) that proved a satistical correlation in the amount of mp3's of your band being downloaded to your record sales - ie, the more popular you were in terms of downloads, the more records you sold as more people became fans, and fans tend to prefer to own original copies of the music in question.

lars (and the rest of the band, and not just for the napster thing either) are indeed complete cocks.

last word to dave gahan - 'if you aint being bootlegged, you aint happening.'

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@Stephen Gray

Although he may have written the songs and owns the copyright on the work, it does not entitle him to walk into a record shop and remove one of his albums without paying for it. That would be theft. Shift it to the electronic model...

Plus he was also distributing while he downloaded to countless others. You can't have it both ways.

Ask the RIAA's million dollar poster girl.

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Troll?

@ Tom Paine Wasn't the 'Troll' actually meant to be James Hetfield? I seem to remember Lars being portrayed as a small crawling creature scuttling up and down JH's body...

"Metallica GOOD"

"Napster BAD"

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Coat

Interview to Kerrang Magazine?

I just have to remember what Frank Zappa said about rock interviews...

a good part of rock interviews is about people unable to speak talking to people unable to write for people unable to read...

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Napster BAAAAAAAAAD

@Tom Paine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIuR5TNyL8Y

Priceless.

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Grenade

Lars Ulrich is a cock

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS6udST6lbE

'Nuff said

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Truly...

Truly filesharing is The Thing That Should Not Be.

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TOM PAINE READ THIS

I just looked on swfchan for napster and found what I think you were on about.

http://eye.swfchan.com/flash.asp?id=2958&n=napsterbad_56k.swf&w=352&h=240

Internet Delivery Boy AWAY! (Oh yeah the link is NSFW but you probably knew that)

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Pirate

Metallica is "insignificant". And their music is not worth listening to anymore. . .

After metallica started their whining, crying and greedy rantings, I destroyed all my metallica CDs. Their music, analog and digital are banned from my machines and music players forever. The band is INSIGNIFICANT. What they have to say or play is no longer for the world. It is for the lining of their greedy pockets. They are not the master of puppets. They ARE the puppets. The sock puppets of the music industry which refuses to change with new digital world!

- Laterz!

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Re: Eh? #

It is not his, he has sold the rights to his label. So in fact it is indeed illegal.

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Right..

So if he didn't get prosecuted it's becuase he "owned the rights", right?

Now, the reason I understand they sue you for far more than the music is worth is becuase you aid other people downloading itt (by uploading it yourself), so they cannot calculate teh losses incurred.

Presumably, Lars, by downloading and uploading his music, gave everyone else downloading from him permission to have that music, for free. So we can all claim that we were downloading it then (even just one packet's worth) and they can't do shit.

Alternatively, they can say he wasn't doing that, whereby they can sue him for assisting other people in committing copyright fraud.

Which is it to be, bozo?

"I'm not taking any glory from our glorious victory, which is why I mention it now"

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Trebles all round!

Now instead of downloading tracks one at a time, sometimes struggling through mistagged things and record label corrupted files I can just download the entire album in one handy torrent file!

Well done Lars, you rock!

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Circle squared

From the band who famously proclaimed "bootleg our shows, copy the tapes and give them to your friends" and thus due tothe sneakernet that ensued became famous.

Double standards, hypocrisy and killing a groundbreaking bit of software all in a days work for an idiot at large.

Lars, you now go back and hit big bangy thing that go boom it much fun and better than using brain!!

Fail because what else is there for a gyromagnetic (I was going to say cro-magnon but preferred the spell checkers correction 8-) Luddite.

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Master of Puppets is a kick ass album...

But Lars Ulrich is still a cock.

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@Stephen Gray

Umm It is illegal to UPLOAD the music ya numpty.

@Tom Paine

Its called Napster Bad you can find it somewhere on campchaos.com

Now for the obligatory. . .

Lars Ulrich is a cock

Lars Ulrich is a cock

Lars Ulrich is a cock

Lars Ulrich is a cock

/Fire cause....well....NAPSTER BAAAAAAAAAD!!!!!!!! Beer Good though :)

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@ Flash animation

I think you are referring to the excellent Camp Chaos spoofs of Metallicrap http://www.campchaos.com/blog-archives/old_cartoons/napster_bad/ which are also on YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&v=VIuR5TNyL8Y and many other places.

The huge troll was, I think, James Hetfield ;-)

(disclaimer, I own everything up to Reload which I was given by their manager)

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Nah sorry

But he isn't a twat, a cock or anything else for demanding that sites that enable theft should be shut down.

If you want music buy it, otherwise you're just a freetard twat yourself.

Just because their music is shit doesn't make them arseholes for expecting people to pay for it if they want it. Unless of course you think that "the internet" gives everyone the right to steal from you too. Why not? It's the same thing. When I walk out of your house with whatever I feel like, I'll just say "the internet was based on freedom" when I do it. When your boss decides not to bother to pay for your shit work, he can say the same.

Some people deserve the RIAA and freetards are most of them.

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any comparisons

with the performer who downloaded kiddie porn for "research". Lars made the point that it was illegal, but does it anyway...

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is he one of those cocks

that use a double bass drum setup? seriously its only metal guys i've heard with that and it proves just how much drums are not a musical instrument.

all you can do is pump them as fast as possible, like it was hooked up to an old "daley thompson's decathalon" game from the 80s. which ironically enough when metal stopped evolving.

i wanna see these twat metal bands get business awards with some bloke going "congratulations, you persuaded millions of teenage nobends that the heart of 'not being a part of the system' or 'breaking away from the mainstream' is simply to buy a differently named product from the same sodding stores, produced by the same lame big company"

revolution doesn't happen because you have a t-shirt with your fave band name on.

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WTF?

Favourite Bash.org quote

Poster1 :Metallica sold out in like 5 minutes

Poster2 : YEH!

Poster2 Oh, you mean like a concert

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Megaphone

Shut up Lars! Just shut up for once!

Will Ulrich ever shut up? He has been mouthing off solidly for nigh on 30 years since he first got his foot in the door. Well done, you got Napster shut down, a lot of good it did too! Unless everything suddenly becomes free, then people will always find some way to get it for nothing. Human nature, I want it, so I will either steal it without you knowing or simply bash you over the head and take it. We're nothing by monkeys with technology.

You and your band are nothing but bunch of hype-monkeys riding on past glories, yes you WERE good, yes you DID amazing things ONCE, not anymore, not since Cliff(RIP) I'm afraid. Lars when you have some relevance to the world at large, then you can have the podium back, until then please be quiet and go away.

( Ulrich mouths off constantly and then has the nerve to have a pop at Motormouth Mustaine for doing the same thing! )

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Napster Bad swf

hehehe I think I still have that up on my anonymous FTP from way the hell back when. BTW, does anyone still do anonymous FTP??

Paris, does anyone still do her?

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So wrong

Napster was buggy in the early days, and really was not well written. I was an early user in the days of downloading MP3's with 56k modems (and writing them to CD's as I never had enough disk space for a decent collection).

But... it had critical mass. I remember telling an old guy at work about it & he getting excited about finding somebody sharing some obscure Pink Floyd stuff. He (and I now I think about it) would have gladly paid a buck a track to download. Nice thing about it was the community/social networking aspect of it; before Myspace/Facebook etc, you could chat to people about music & other files being shared on Napster

I remember venting at the time when the RIAA was fighting a court case to shut it down; if they had just kept it going a little longer they could have bolted on a charging mechanism; I reckon they would have got millions paying fees & not had P2P or torrents to deal with to the same extent.

The fight against the Pirate Bay indicates the same brain dead execs are making the same brain dead decisions 10 years on.

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Lars, Lars, Lars . . .

The hell with Alcoholica, and the hell with Napster.

My interest in the band died long before they released Load or Reload. I'd have to say in all honesty, my interest in them died along with their late bass player Cliff Burton.

If Cliff were alive, I'm sure he'd say :

LARS IS A COCK

LARS IS A COCK

LARS IS A COCK

LARS IS A COCK

LARS IS A COCK

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Back Catalogue

You Can't blame Lars for being concerned about the Metallica back catalogue being shared on P2P - it's the only stuff that people actually want. When Napster came along I imagine the Lars logic went something like this:

"Wow, suddenly we've sold f**k all of our last two albums... it must be because of Napster"

The funny thing is that after the Napster incident, Metallica ran off in to their cave and decided to have nothing to do with "MP3". It's only very recently that their albums have been available on iTunes - boy did they miss that wave.

In the end, how much did shutting down Napster really achieve? It just alienated them from their fans and P2P hasn't gone away.

Lars is a cock

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