Buying "designer suits and aftershaves" with their ill-gotten loot...

What about birds, booze, and "sundries"?

should be getting 15 years plus ,so they then serve 5 years, The sentences we give in UK are crap because they only serve 1/3rd of the time anyway. No wonder criminals are laughing.

Sorry I'm Asian and I read the title "credit card fraud" and thought they *must* be asians....clicked through and they are! ahahaaaa! like, who else does that these days that's saaayyyyyy 1998....

Take the McKinnon tactic. Get an Asperger Syndrome diagnosis and point out that you helped to find security holes.

whatever George and Lionel are on, please! Seems like whatever they're on to cause them to create sentences like those could make an interesting working day for me.

When I started readiing the story I had anticipated their surnames would not be Brown, Smith or Jones etc.

It's a funny old world!!

The article only mentions the hilariously outdated magstripe writers, there's no mention of chip and pin having been compromised in this frankly third-rate operation? Buying aftershave and designer suits, maybe for resale maybe for them, either way it's still not massive amounts, again suggesting they were trying to partly at least stay under the old authorisation limit.

Chip and pin is different. This is card skimming and pin stealing at the ATM.

Saying that, though, most shops allow you to bypass the chip and pin saying that it doesn't work, or you can't remember it, and let you sign. With a cloned card, the counterfeighter signs it him/herself so the signature always matches at the checkout.

While the cards still have the magnetic stripe on them, as that is all the criminal needs to copy, put an unreadable chip on the card and bobs your uncle, as far as I know a lot of cash points don't use the chip, certainly abroad, and in this country I frequently don't use the chip as the chip readers seem to be fairly unreliable.

As soon as the card companies ditch the mag strip then we may well have security, at the moment the criminals are almost guranteed finding out or pin as we have to type it....

The line: "...were searching an office space in Brent and found evidence that the room was being used as a credit card factory" sounds like they were searching it for a different reason

altogether and just lucked upon the card factory.

1) Why would the Police sue anyone? They catch people, they don't prosecute, or sue.

2) This is absolutely nothing to do with chip and pin as you would know if you had read the article.

Other than this: ATMs rarely use non-chip and pin auth in the UK any more, if at all. In this sort of crime, most of the cards are shipped off to non Chip and pin countries, such as USA etc.

Before anyone says that they don't need chip and pin because the banks cover the fraud - You, as the customers of the banks cover the fraud, not the banks.

In the UK, a merchant is liable for any fraudulant use of a magstripe, if they allow that magstripe to be used on a C&P enabled card.

"These people werent rich and powerful enough, otherwise they could of gotten away with it."

No, they couldn't, not oughtright card fraud.

"After all dont banks just create money out of thin air and put it on their computer systems."

No, they don't. That would be the bank of England, and it's called quantitive easing, which is a bit different. Having said that, not all money exists actually printed on paper, but it doesn't have to.

"The money system is the real scam here, its about time it was sorted out or we can just wait for the next 'credit crunch'"

Possibly if Gordon Brown had left the 400 year old regulatory system in place without messing with it, we wouldn't be in the mess that we're in at the moment.