It's getting to where a fellow can't enjoy a nice relaxing boot time these days. The latest perpetrator of the conspiracy: Linux application tool vendor MontaVista, which said today that it is demonstrating an embedded Linux system that boots in just one second. MontaVista's Linux demo goes from a cold boot into a sample, "fully …
The embedded software in my camera goes from off to taking a photo in 0.2s, so its still got some way to go.
Also, with the latest kernel, you can get a running kernel very quickly, even loading device drivers for a standard PC (in my case 8.2s). Admittedly getting services started takes longer. Still work to be done!
....and then I'll take one for my Media Server.
oh, and smb/afp/itunes server/sftp etc etc
Fast, slow, quick-quick, slow
How ironic. The video takes 2minutes 27seconds to show the 'one second boot' .
Ah, whatever happened to the happy minutes it took to insert the two 5.25in floppies, power up the machine, wait for the tiny screen to flicker into its green-on-black glory, DOS to colonise the wide expanses of that 640KB memory, Locoscript to struggle into life... time to brew coffee, time to roll a fag*, time to reflect on life's electronic wonders.
* Note to US readers: "rolling a fag" has nothing to do with street robbery committed against homosexuals.
Wheres my coffee?
And what are we going to do when we don't get our caffeine fix first thing in the morning, as our PCs boot?
In all fairness- having played around with Asus' and Acers latest Linux ROM boots- while its impressive that it gets you into a limited working environment so quickly- its simply too limited. I don't know anyone who would willingly limit themselves to the proposed apps- its simply unworkable.......
Now- wheres that coffee?
But I used to use machines like the Commodore PET, TRS-80, ZX81 that booted quicker than that. Bit of a full circle really
Definitely a bad idea
If it takes 1 second to boot, I'd expect the video to last, ooooh, maybe 1.5 seconds.
However, looking at the video, the 1 second boot takes 2m 27s when all the ad.s and promotional material is shown - far too long. I'll stick with W2K thanks.
Why was that needed ?
Now why can't Apple do it with the iPhone ;)
is the video not only 1 second
What's with the music on that video?
Between that and the guy's accent, all I could think of was "Hi, I''m here to boot your Linux system."
Needs more wakka-wakka guitar, though.
Why is that video so long?
2:28 for a one-second boot?
My car dashboard is operational the instant I turn the ignition key.
That music ...
I swear at the start it's Charlie's Angels, and at the end it's like midstage music from Sega Rally or some other Sega AM#2 game circa 1996 ...
Not ready for the desktop
This is further proof that Linux is not ready for the desktop...
What does the average desktop user want out of their box? They want to come in, look at the 1:1 map of the case to find and press the power button, go get a coffee while Windows boots, come back 30 min. later just in time to enter their password, go get another coffee while Windows does its stuff, come back 45 min. later to begin wasting their time playing with shiny buttons. Clearly, Linux cannot provide that. Hence it´s always going to be used only on systems supposed to perform actual work. Not the desktop then.
Perhaps they could flog it to blu-ray player manufacturers - mine is brand new and takes fucking ages to start up and eject a disk or even eject a disk from a running state. Expletive because it helps with the pain.
Sorry I don't speak Schwarzenegger, wtf is he saying?
Wait! Why Linux on a Dashboard?
Why do you need Linux on a Dashboard, it's a fairly simple single function device which could be done in assembler.
Wait why have a CPU in a dashboard at all?
I know Linux boys can get very excited about their O/S, but why does the video have porno soundtrack music? Any minute you expect the office secretary/airline hostess to come out, bend over and ask if there is enough RAM to take such a big kernel?!
..just horrible music in the background of that video clip.
Sounds like some sick and twisted combination of elevator music, jazz and a 70's porn sound track.
I'm wiling to let my desktop TRIPLE that time
As the title said, i'll be grateful if my desktop can become fully functional in 3 seconds. So I'll be able to do a halt at nigth after backups, and not having to cope with an uptime of months because of the wasted time in the morning.
I'ts time we get rid of the compressed kernel image, and start using more compiled in drivers. Memory and disk are cheap enough.
That's just daft, it takes more time than that for my monitor to turn on, therfore it's excessive.
Perhaps the Arnie lookalike should have just said
We'll be back.
The bloke in the video
Sounded like Arnie - Respect the OS or you will get a taste of my Uzi 9 millimetre
Why ... oh ... why...
I was playing with some scrap yesterday - 8 year old P4 Tehoma. Under 1s wake up to a full desktop out of ACPI S3 (suspend to RAM) when running diskless, 2.7W consumption in suspend-to-ram. A modern system using an embedded CPU with corresponding RAM running a dedicated application should be able to do that in tens of ms without any special Montavista spice. For PPC or ARM platforms the power consumption in suspend would have been negligible as well.
That is besides the point anyway, because modern car computer has seconds if not tens of seconds to boot. All it needs to do is boot when you unlock the car using the central locking, instead of when you stick the key in the ignition. By the way, some japanese manufacturers already do that.
It would have been nice if Montavista directed their energy towards something more useful instead of reinventing the wheel and making it square in the process.
That is excitiing stuff (well for me anyway), made all the more exciting by the funky pr0n soundtrack.
QNX boots in 200ms
Enough said :)
Why can't ANYONE do it with a phone? I think my old Nokia 6600 was the worst offender...
Vista - wahhhhhh!!!!!!!
nix should never have the word vista in it's title. <shudders>
Still wouldn't persuade me to move to Linux
1 minute boot? I wouldn't care if Linux cured cancer, I still wouldn't use it!
I shiver to think I'd possibly have something in common with the bearded weirdoes who like an OS with zero applications.
Give me XP64 and Visual Studio 2008 any day...
@ Mark 65
Rather off topic but same experience here. Look for the word "Java" stamped somewhere on a label or in the manual, and that'll be the explanation.
could be worse, my mobile phone takes:
6 seconds playing an ad for the manufacturer
2 seconds telling me "welcome" (the editable welcome message)
another 2 seconds showing "welcome to orange"
then it finally loads the main screen and connects to the network etc, normally in less than half a second
i doubt most of that delay to turn on is actually required boot delays, instead the delays are because they decided to put in the "feature" of playing an ad video, then saying "welcome" TWICE
Don't forget the BBC Micro.
@Dave 31 and Graham Marsden
Or later Acorns for that matter, from the Archimedes to the RISC PC which may now appear dated but ran a full multi tasking operating system that booted as good as instantly.
If you don't give a monkey's about Mother Earth, you can always leave your machine on 24/7 then only worry about boot times every once in a blue moon!
What has happened to people?
I'm fed up of machines that take multiple minutes to boot.
Back in the good old days, the Speccy booted instantly, OK it didn't boot with any software loaded but even loading small game (and having a few shots) was quicker than waiting for modern Winblows to start.
Next I moved to an Amiga. That booted from HD to Workbench in what 5 seconds or something although, admittedly, it didn't have a built in TCP/IP stack.
I moved to a PC when they stopped selling Amigas. The first thing I noticed was the length of time it took to boot the bastard. Things didn't get any better either - it took longer each time.
Now that Winblows is even more bloated, it takes such a long time to boot the machine that I rarely do. I have a Mac that I leave on stand by when I need something done quickly. When I really, really need to use Windoze, I just bash my head repeatedly on a wall, the effect is the same.
So yeah, anything that makes booting time faster is great - especially since almost everything has an OS hidden inside it these days...
What about for a server?
Whoohoo... yay. (sound of ballon deflating)
What about for a server? If you can do that with something powerful and supports a piss load of users I'll be impressed.
What is this ...
I would expect ANY embedded real time system to boot < 1 second. But as has been said earlier, why have an OS in a dash ay all?
And if you DO want something like this then Assembler has been doing this type of thing for decades and decades. Concorde had lovely real-time Assembly routines. I'm fucking certain a car don't need an OS, even if it is Linux.
Should be a longer vid.
Pr0n I loaded earlier was a more satisfying 10 minutes.
And the girl still had her BOOTs on.
Quicker ain't better always, as I tell the missus. She disagrees, usually being asleep before I've finished. Sad life.
Too Little, Too Late.
I had the "pleasure" of fine tuning Montavista for a client a few months ago.
They should have got their act together BEFORE they started offering their wares to paying customers.
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