Good thing, too #
Posted Thursday 25th June 2009 13:49 GMT
Deleing *any* article from Wikipedia can only be a good thing for its subject. The sooner information is taken out of the hands of these agenda-driven nutjobs, the better.
Posted Thursday 25th June 2009 13:49 GMT
"Based on a true story that unfolded on Usenet bulletin boards, this new opera is a gripping portrayal of a paranoid mind that raises unsettling questions about a society under surveillance"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Corley_Conspiracy
And most probably self-written by the self same victim of MI5 'persecution'. Some Usenet nutter and former Private Eye mag advertiser ...
Wikipedia verification - USENET !!! GOOD GRIEF !!!
Posted Thursday 25th June 2009 13:49 GMT
Used to like his stuff in NME, turned me onto the Manics but he failed to convince me about the musical merits of Bis. Though they did do the theme to the Powerpuff Girls.
Posted Thursday 25th June 2009 13:49 GMT
As a Sonic Youth loving NME reader during the 80s I'm sad to here of Swells' passing as he used to simultaneously give me a laugh and leave me infuriated on a pretty regular basis.
I can hardly see why he doesn't deserve his entry in Wikipedia given some of the inane and only very very minimally important information it deems worthy of chronicling.
RIP.
Posted Thursday 25th June 2009 13:49 GMT
They he doesn't need a page on Wikipedia and as for NME that was read by space cadets so maybe there is a connection there.....
a bit tenuous thought
So long SWELLS. You can take your complaints up directly with management now.
icon: I'll enjoy this for you
Posted Thursday 25th June 2009 13:49 GMT
Then can we mark the George W Bush entry for deletion since he's not President any more and therefore irrelevant ?
Posted Thursday 25th June 2009 13:49 GMT
i've heard the name Perez Hilton, probably Paris's sister no doubt! No idea who Tanya is.
...but is your worthyness not worth something to wikipedia ?
to quote a comment after his last ever column ...
“Goddamnit this sucks. Why you? Why not Perez Hilton or some other twat ?”
... quite !
Posted Thursday 25th June 2009 13:49 GMT
Deleing *any* article from Wikipedia can only be a good thing for its subject. The sooner information is taken out of the hands of these agenda-driven nutjobs, the better.
Posted Thursday 25th June 2009 14:01 GMT
Thank you for showing me this. He was a truly great person.
This quote killed me:
".. for about a week I sport a huge, fluid-filled fringe under the head of my penis, making it look like some weird skinhead Gila-lizard from hell."
Posted Thursday 25th June 2009 14:01 GMT
how can he be notable?
PS - like the new icons!
Posted Thursday 25th June 2009 14:01 GMT
I'm an absolute nobody in the grand scheme of things, with one letter to the editor published way back when I was in college, but I'm quoted on a wikipedia site (or was at some point) with my real name. If I deserve that level of recognition, surely a published author deserves an entry in wikipedia.
Posted Thursday 25th June 2009 14:01 GMT
He is on record as having asked for an open coffin in which he is sitting upright, with a mechanised arm moving his hand up and down gripping his artificially engorged deceased todger. I really, really hope he gets this.
Posted Thursday 25th June 2009 16:27 GMT
Ha, in the space of time it took me to write my comment, Swells' article has been saved per WP:SNOWBALL. Sounds disgusting, I'm sure he'd love the sentiment!
Posted Thursday 25th June 2009 16:27 GMT
Bye Bye SW .
Didn't realise til just now. Rarely has there been a writer I enjoyed disagreeing with so much.
Posted Thursday 25th June 2009 16:27 GMT
Let me get this right....
The difference between being not worthy of a wikipedia page, and becoming worthy, is to be mentioned on El Reg.
As I am now mentioned (by virtue of this comment) can I have my own Wikipedia page now please?
Or shall I just go an make my own?
Posted Thursday 25th June 2009 16:29 GMT
Are they running so low on disk space that a few k of text makes a difference? Why the f*** would you delete anything that isn't wholly inaccurate? Sounds like some wikigit had an axe to grind.
I'm off to recommend all the articles relating to "peyton" for deletion simply on the whim that one "peyton" is more than enough.
Posted Thursday 25th June 2009 20:51 GMT
El Reg has made a difference in the world!
Well, on Wikipedia.
Kinda.
Posted Thursday 25th June 2009 20:51 GMT
methinks someone is jealous.
@Version 1.0
irrelevant then, irrelevant now. no change that i can see.
Didn't know him, but if his writing pissed off some folks, more power.... and a hoisted one!
Posted Thursday 25th June 2009 20:51 GMT
Can be toss, and is for a great deal of the time. Its major problem is that it has a very pronounced Amrican bias, and that means if the subject isn't recognised by 'Merkins it doesn't truly exist
Posted Thursday 25th June 2009 20:51 GMT
there can be no justification for deleting any article on grounds of notability.
Posted Thursday 25th June 2009 20:51 GMT
Wikipedia rules are the most bizarre and bizarrely implemented set of rules/guidelines that I've ever encountered. I have seem, for example, individuals refusing to accept that in a description of a book that a reference to the book is adequate evidence that the content referenced exists in the book. A link to a web site that any loon could have knocked up in five minutes is taken as hard evidence.
In a recent dispute over notable Usenet personalities, individuals were judged not to be notable if their posting history lay almost exclusively in the UK hierarchy. A touch of cross-pondian NIH syndrome creeping in there, I suspect. Probably this is why Swells is considered not to be notable, after all he only worked in "Yoorp" or more properly "Yoo-Kay" so he can't have been notable, ever.
Posted Thursday 25th June 2009 20:51 GMT
In wiki-speak you are an inclusionist. whilst others are deletionists. If you want to join the debate there is, of course, a Wikipage on it with links off to the opposing camps' manifestos and principles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deletionism_and_inclusionism_in_Wikipedia
Posted Thursday 25th June 2009 20:51 GMT
They're not worth wasting your time on, I mean they quote *me* as a reference for heaven's sake.
Damn you, El Reg, for not mentioning this guy before. You'd better set up a pressure group to get his collected articles published.
Posted Thursday 25th June 2009 20:51 GMT
Why would dying suddenly render the information invalid?
I thought it was an encyclopedia?
Posted Thursday 25th June 2009 23:41 GMT
You can't argue that someone or something is not notable enough. I live in a small village, certainly not notable to most of the World's population, but very notable to all that live here. Likewise, there are not very notable countries
Yet Wikipedia has articles on every fictional character in the Simpsons (are they ALL notable?), every single known asteroid (isn't one chunk of rock much like another?), and just about every chemical you can imagine.
Non-notability is a political statement.
Posted Thursday 25th June 2009 23:41 GMT
Surely one of the strengths of Wikipedia is that *does* give detailed coverage to things that many people would consider trivial or unimportant? For all of Wikipedia's failings, I know that I can pretty much always find information on some snippet of pop culture that's passed me by. So why delete articles about the insufficiently grand?
Posted Friday 26th June 2009 08:59 GMT
I'm not really for respect for the dead, unless they actually deserve it. But I digress, since this shouldn't have anything to do with respect.
I had never heard of the dead bloke in question, but surely "AuntFlo" is quite right. And even if there weren't much less relevant people than him on Wikipedia anyway, it seems Swells still had enough accomplishments in cultural life to be deserving of reference, from what was written in this article here on El Reg.
I hope his family is coping well with the loss.
Posted Friday 26th June 2009 09:27 GMT
First, RIP Swells.
To continue: come on, Sarah, to paraphrase Goose from Top Gun, do some of that journalism shit. The user Mikerichi's first act on Wikipedia was to rock up to the Sons of Ben (MLS supporters association) article (they're a supporters club for Philadelphia's MLS football team) and submit it for deletion. Now the same guy tries the same thing with Philly resident Swells' article, which at that time happened to claim Swells was a "staunch proponent" of the Sons of Ben. Two edits after that, Richardrj removes that claim as being "unsourced and irrelevant".
This all feels like an idiot with a grudge against the Sons of Ben, rather than against Swells himself. Nor does it feel like Wikipedia as an entity is responsible.
As for the deletion notice, it's back: SOP on Wikipedia is to let the discussion run its course, but as you say, the resounding response of "Keep" should ensure the article will be around for a long time to come.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mikerichi (Mikerichi's contribs)
http://tinyurl.com/mrbgbf (Richardrj's edit removing mention of Sons of Ben)
http://tinyurl.com/lf9azt (Wikipedia article on Sons of Ben, citing Swells Grauniad article)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2007/jun/06/sport.comment (Swells article on Sons of Ben)
Fail, because ... well, you know, do that journalism stuff!
Posted Friday 26th June 2009 09:27 GMT
What a silly non-story. Some random idiot nominates an obviously notable article for deletion and you blame the entire project? Do you see a single person in that discussion who agreed with the nomination? A single 'delete' vote? The guy who suggested deletion was already being accused of trying to stir up trouble before this article was even brought up. But here I see people responding to your article as if 'Wikipedia' as an entity wanted to get rid of the article.
There was never any chance that Swells's article would be deleted. Is the fact that one moron suggested it should be and was quickly shouted down really news?
Posted Saturday 27th June 2009 15:23 GMT
Uneducated dolts agreeing that the truth must be half way between two opposing viewpoints. The Holocaust has a museum but there are also holocaust deniers therefore 3 million people were possibly killed.
Irish has been renamed goeidilic which noone has ever heard of by some student with a mania for rewriting articles. Edison was the greatest inventor of all time and didn't steal anything according to some arsehole who calls himself, that's right, edison. The english empire were lovely friendly chaps who just wanted to build roads and free the poor from slavery.
The amount of politically motivated revisionism is disgusting
Ronnie Reagan "He ranks highly among former U.S. presidents in terms of approval rating.", which is funny because I remember him as being a criminal with the iq of a fencepost who almost got us all nuked.
Posted Friday 3rd July 2009 17:57 GMT
In truth, what happened is that some idiot posted a note to "Articles for Deletion" (which they are entitled do to on grounds of free speech, etc) and almost every person who responded to it said that the article should be kept. How on earth does that justify the sensationalist title of this article?
Wikipedia behaved responsibly...the outcome is as it should be.
The comment from one editor that death doesn't imply notability is true. About half a million people die every day - the vast majority of them are not notable enough to have a Wikipedia biography written about them.