Sometime in April, roughly three months after taking a medical leave of absence from the Apple CEO post, Steve Jobs received a liver transplant. News of the two-month-old transplant broke late Friday evening, at the end of a day when Apple released the latest incarnation of its worldwide status symbol, the iPhone 3G S. As …
Does it come in blue?
I'm surprised he didn't choose something less effective than a liver but that looks prettier.
In any case, as with almost anybody whose received a new organ, I wish him a speedy recovery.
That iLiver V2 works better than V1, I wish him a quick and successful recovery.
Now, about this alcohol metabolising app I bought on iTunes...
Just checked the app store, the only donor apps I can see are for recipes for kebabs.
Get well soon, Steve. If it weren't for him or his company, tech life would be worse off.
Apple fanbois would've donated their own liver?
Steve Jobs Liver Transplant
Get well soon Steve.
@How many Apple fanbois would've donated their own liver?
the liver can fully heal itself as long as at least 25% of it is left... so a donor can happily donate 50% of their liver, then both donor and donee would still have plenty of redundant liver capacity to get by until such time as both parts have grown in to full livers in their respective hosts
if you can donate a liver without having to die first, this brings up the obvious question of why the waiting lists are so long - is it just that they aren't actually bothering to try and find donors? i know i've never been asked here... (only ever had the NHS ask me for blood... before presenting me with the list of things that disqualify you, which explained why they were so short on donors!)
The behaviour of apple over all this is a little bit like a cult. Are they, as a company, so tied to a single person that they can't survive without him? If MS behaved in the same way, all the Mac heads would freak out about the secrecy but apple - who make enterprise support extremely difficult by not publishing a proper product roadmap - are more secretive than the scientologists - but they're not a cult either so that's ok
I suppose that ...
... the business aspect is probably first to spring to mind?
Maybe a moment or two to dwell upon his personal issues, family issues, matters to do with friends and so forth is probably well spent.
And maybe another moment or two to dwell on people who might not attract quite so much press coverage for similar issues?
Then another moment or two just to let your thoughts run reflectively to wherever and whatever they take you to too?
@Anonymous Coward @ 07:32
What exactly is a 'fanbois' Mr A Coward?
Re: How many , By Anonymous Coward
Apple fanbois would've donated their own liver?
But they would have all happily donated Bill Gate's liver
...if this experience might make him think of making devices' internal bits a little more accessible in future.
Do you think the iPhone 4 could have a user swappable battery?
Here's to a quick recovery...
...for the guy who backed Pixar.
He is a battery
Without him, Apple products will simply stop working and the fanbois might realize how pointless the products are. What an offal, offal fate that would be.
As it is to ask whether the donors name was Lily...
I concur with the general tone. Steve is a talented guy who has made some brilliant decisions and created some really neat stuff.
If I had his money I would feel a responsibility and a desire to spend the rest of my time with my family - if he goes into work it just pure passion.
Stay as well as possible for as long as possible Steve.. You have been an inspiration for a long time..
Share price thing...
TBH it seems the markets have finally been weaned off their Jobs obsession when it comes to Apple stock. The past six months have shown that the team Jobs built are quite capable of running the show without him, and the share price has risen to reflect that.
Jobs shouldn't rush back. It'll be good for the long term health of both himself and Apple if he stays away until his body is capable of meeting the demands work puts on it. In the meantime I wish him well with his recovery.
Regardless Of Your Fan Stand ...
...it's always good to know a good person has survived, and hopefully will thrive. All things considered, we need the Steve Jobs of this world.
" Apple fanbois would've donated their own liver?"
One probably did.
Anyhow, Steve,in genuine all-seriousness, speedy recovery and really hope you're fit soon.
Get Well Soon Steve.
I wish you a speedy recovery, sorry to hear you are poorly.
"There's an app for that"
Good for him
Pancreatic cancer is a hard one to beat, I lost a well-liked colleague to it a few years ago. If Job's success with Apple gave him the money to successfully overcome that then no matter what one may think of his products I'd wish him and his family good luck.
Make no mistake ...
Steve is a lucky fella - pancreatic cancer has an atrociously low survival rate (I lost a friend to it a few months back - not a pleasant way to go) and a liver transplant isn't exactly what you'd call a routine procedure either.
I'm not a fan of the man or many of his products, but hope he has a speedy and trouble-free recovery - God knows the world needs a few more people like him with creative drive and vision.
Not particularly a jobs fan
But I wish anyone facing ill health a speedy recovery.
Liver transplants don't cuere cancer.
Although you are correct about being able to donate part of a liver the reason the NHS don't usually do this is because you present to a healthy donar a very bad chance of dying from infection, it's easy to donate a kidney but cutting someones liver in half can have many complications which can cause death.
The point made by the doctor in the NYT is that a liver transplant is not a proven method for curing a metabolized cancer as in all likelyhood the cancer may return to his new liver which makes it a poor use of a donar organ. I know this as my mother did not get a transplant for this very reason. I guess the kind of money Jobs has speaks louder than medical facts.
Why are the waiting lists for organs shorter in Tennessee? Too many motorcylists who ride without helmets?? State law that made organ donation an opt-out rather than an opt-in?
pssst, insane apple fans ...
... just a thought, keep it, don't keep it ... for those of you who wished Steve well, a quick reality check - the chances of him actually reading it and going "oh Gee, thanks" are about as good as Gordon Brown winning the general election.
Anyway, get well soon Steve, we've all missed you, ya big lug.
48 day waiting list in Tennesse?
Must be all the Jack Daniels......
...mines the one with the hipflask in the pocket
as I hate Steve Jobs, Apple and all things Apple-related, I wish Mr. Jobs a swift recovery.
It just wouldn't be as much fun flaming Apple without him!
Liver transplant the iTunes way
Good job the new liver wasn't protected with DRM or he'd have to remove all his organs in order to put the liver in a new body.
Pssst, Matt 89
"for those of you who wished Steve well, a quick reality check - the chances of him actually reading it and going "oh Gee, thanks" are about as good as Gordon Brown winning the general election."
He'll probably see an internet full of well wishing, his response to such support and compassion probably will be "oh Gee, thanks" and the lift will almost certainly aid his recovery. At least, that's how it works for humans. Your biology may vary.
I've never bought an Apple product, but I wish you well, Mr Jobs.
All the Personality Cults
Bill, Larry and Steve. No doubt there's more.
Large companies are supposed to plod along no matter who is at the helm. But if you can trust one person, that large company can also turn on a dime. The tradeoff for this agility is resilience, hence all the effort to set up Cooks and Ballmers.
Tennessee donor availability
Noting that body parts are available 6.375 times faster in TN than US average, does anybody know (a) whether there are a disproportionately large number of motorcyclists in TN and/or (b) that State's policy on the death penalty and its current Death Row throughput rate?
i hope you get well and get the hell out of the computer world
@ Anonymous Coward 21:16 GMT
What a thick twat!
DRM is present at the insistence of the record megacorps, not Apple. Indeed, S Jobs appealed for its riddance.
I hope Jobs gets better and can remain at the helm of Apple. His company has done more to innovate and style than any IT firm I know. Apple is synonymous with excellent design implementation.
Not all Apple
Steve Jobs was also CEO and owner of Pixar.
The man who brought us Toy Story, Monsters Inc, and The Incredibles should surely offset any dislike of Apple and its products.
Best wishes and hope for swift recovery.
@ AC 07:44
What? And leave the computer world to Steve Ballmer?
That way lies madness.
@ Faster Better Greener
"(b) that State's policy on the death penalty and its current Death Row throughput rate?"
So we can look forward to a Simpson's style episode where the ex-con's murderous personailty still alive in the liver assumes control of Mr Jobs and starts to wreak revenge on those that helped convict him......
"Must be all the Jack Daniels" --Actually I believe Tennessee is a 'dry' state where alcohol is of course legal to drink, but cannot be purchased. Ironic I suppose.
Anyway, I wish Steve all the best. Regardless of how you feel about Apple, Steve is one of the early pioneers and deserves respect a-plenty just for that, and still seems to have a genuine love for this field. One of the true and original "hardware hackers" Even if he wasn't, I'd certainly wish him all the best anyway as a person going through a trying situation.
Proof positive that life's a bitch---you get all the wealth you can spend, can be genuinely happy in most every way, and still be f#cked by something like this.
Good luck Steve.
@AC : "I wonder... "
@AC Re: Tennessee
Tennessee isn't a 'dry' state; it is a county by county thing there. I know, it doesn't make any sense - the county I lived in was dry but neighboring counties weren't, so all you had to do was drive a few minutes and make your purchase past the county line. And in true entrepreneurial spirit, just over the county line were a number of establishments happy to sell you (at a slight premium) the beverage of your choice.
As to the organ donor question, it has been over 20 years since I lived there so I'm not sure what the current state of affairs may be. At the time it was an opt-in thing, but everyone who applied for a drivers license had to make the choice and it was displayed on the license itself. Considering Tennessee is known as the Volunteer State and many people who live there are proud of their heritage, perhaps that spirit of volunteerism contributes to a higher percentage of organ donors as well.
AC of 11.34 22.06.09
I like your point about the Volunteer State. Certainly, when I was vacationing there last year, I found everyone exceptionally friendly and pleased to help a lost tourist. So maybe they are a shining example.
Waiting list in Tennessee
As much as I like to mock Tennessee, just as I like to mock everyone, a state that makes organ donation easier gets a thumbs up. I lost a friend to liver cancer; he might be alive today if the red tape weren't so thick. I still think he contracted it from being around drinkers, since he didn't drink much. Second hand liver damage?
(Plus, my two favorite blues musicians were born in Tennessee, so who am I to snark.)
geeze don't you guys know how to appletize?
So Steve has a new liver. That's all fine and dandy, but will it blend?
Well done AC!
"...if this experience might make him think of making devices' internal bits a little more accessible in future. Do you think the iPhone 4 could have a user swappable battery?"
10/10 for that one...
But do you think he went to a qualified service centre or swapped his at home?
"DRM is present at the insistence of the record megacorps, not Apple. Indeed, S Jobs appealed for its riddance."
Ah yes, Jobs means everything he says doesn't he? Sorry but fuck off. Just because he said he hates DRM doesn't mean he continued to do so whilst his competitors had absolutely no problem running DRM free services. The fact everyone else managed to get DRM free deals showed up Jobs for what he is, a lier. The fact is Jobs loved their proprietary DRM, it tied the millions of iPhone users to Apple hardware. Even now iTunes has a ton of DRM laden tracks and the ones that aren't cost far more than DRM free versions at places like Amazon and Play.com. Don't be so damn gullable and assume everything he says it's true.
"His company has done more to innovate and style than any IT firm I know. Apple is synonymous with excellent design implementation."
Uh, yeah, okay you keep telling yourself that. Meanwhilst I'll chuckle at the fact the iPhone had fuck all features to start with such as GPS, MMS etc. and we were told it didn't need them but then Apple realised they did in fact need to copy everyone else in the industry and add these features. I'll also sit chuckling at all the easily scratched, regularly discolouring, non-replacable battery, fire hazard power adapter products that Apple keep churning out, so much for excellent design and implementation.
Apple is good at one thing - interface and looks, when it comes to actual quality, usefulness, cost effectiveness, features, Apple fails hard.
@ Ian 11
So, DRM wasn't at the insistence of the recording industry? Oh yes it was.
So his competitors "had absolutely no problem running DRM free services", oh yes they did ... they were routinely threatened by the big labels and had major problems getting catalogues. You seem to be the master of the grand overstatement ... "everyone else managed to get DRM free deals" - no they did not, and many have since gone to the wall.
By the way, it's gullIble, not gullAble.
And it's liAr, not liEr.
Another wacky statement ... "the iPhone had fuck all features to start with such as GPS, MMS etc. and we were told it didn't need them but then Apple realised they did in fact need to copy everyone else in the industry and add these features." Apple brought to market a mobile phone which awoke the market from its slumber ... hence the number of 'me too' models brought out by competitors. Of course it wasn't perfect (and certainly not up to your 'standards') ... what first models are? But you seem to want to live in the past so chuckle away.
@ Boris the Cockroach
"But they would have all happily donated Bill Gate's liver"
You bring the fava beans, I'll bring a nice chianti!
My guess would be Vanderbilt University. Not sure how they stack up against other programs but over all it is an excellent hospital. If I had his financial resources when I got mine I probably would have chosen Pittsburg. But they are all pretty good these days. I got mine in the Ghetto of Newark and can say nothing but good things about UMDNJ.
Also being somewhat knowledgeable about liver disease and what one goes through I would put my money on good things coming from Mr. Jobs. Funny thing happens when your liver is sick. You have really high levels of ammonia in you blood and that makes you lose your mental edge or at times makes you down right retarded. Liver disease also does not happen over night. Post transplant a patient will be thinking clearer than he or she has in 10 years.
Food for thought:
"the liver can fully heal itself as long as at least 25% of it is left "
How do the cells in the remaining 25% know they are in the remaining 25% and decide to regrow the liver? Why not 22% or 5% ?
It's gullible, not gullIble.
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