Barclays IT systems have a strop
Paul 172
...another one ? #
Posted Tuesday 16th June 2009 15:43 GMT

HSBC had a global card outage on the 31st of May, this year... I know, I was stranded in Wembley !
AceRimmer
Just a coincidence? #
Posted Tuesday 16th June 2009 15:43 GMT

Barclays lay off more contractors
Barclays IT systems have a strop
Anonymous Coward
Surprise, surprise #
Posted Tuesday 16th June 2009 15:43 GMT

Well, I guess all that head-chopping in the IT department are starting to pay-off...
Anonymous Coward
could easily be a BT issue #
Posted Tuesday 16th June 2009 15:43 GMT
failure to communicate with a datacentre, doesn't necessarily have to be an issue with the bank's IT systems.
What they need is some sort of system that lets them continue working locally, even if the communication links are down, then updates the system when they come back up, like we have :)
Charlie Fisher
Barclays IT outage #
Posted Tuesday 16th June 2009 15:43 GMT

Your news yesterday ran with job cuts in IT departments at Barclays, so presumably some BOFH indulging in some rm -f style payback when given his papers, or a lack of skilled staff left with the ability to fix the problem because they have all been given the bullet...
I've just had to withdraw cash over the counter, which brought on a gentle tinge of nostalgia.
Paris, because she always has the personal touch
Anonymous Coward
I tried #
Posted Tuesday 16th June 2009 15:43 GMT

4 attemps and I manged to get 50 beer vouchers
LuMan
Not good #
Posted Tuesday 16th June 2009 15:43 GMT

But will you still be able to go to Sainsbury's and buy a pint, sorry, half-litre of milk with your debit card and get cashback??
Anonymous Coward
Phew, it's a good job that..... #
Posted Tuesday 16th June 2009 15:43 GMT

...Barclays haven't offshored* large parts of their IT department - oh, hang on a sec.
*they're not outsourced, they're offshored and then those staff are, quite aptly, referred to as captives!
Daniel 1
Well, you sack your IT staff, and what do you get #
Posted Tuesday 16th June 2009 15:43 GMT
They probably turned off the workstation belonging to the ex-employee, that had the command line COBOL application running on it, that was responsible for managing the account synchronisation across the network. Now they're desperately running around switching them all back on again, in a bid to find which machine it was, since it turns out the only documentation for the job was in a README file sitting in the same directory, alongside the COBOL program, on the machine in question. Hopefully, all being well, it won't turn out to have been one of the old SPARC Ultras, that they sent off in a skip, this morning.
Paul 25
Is this just Barclays ATMs? #
Posted Tuesday 16th June 2009 15:43 GMT
Or is it any ATM when used by a Barclays customer?
Either way, rather shonky.
/me puts bet on it being a fat-finger moment.
TrixyB
Hmmmm #
Posted Tuesday 16th June 2009 15:46 GMT

Didn't Barclays fire a lot of their I.T. Staff last week?
VPN Accounts still enabled?
I.T. pic as "Where is their I.T." !!??
Anonymous Coward
maybe there IT systems took a pay(out)-cut #
Posted Tuesday 16th June 2009 15:46 GMT

With all this recent cutbacks on IT staff, its nice to see the reality hit home.
Perhaps the systems gained AI and went and took a payout-cut before they were asked when there contracts came up for renewal.
sev71
maybe... #
Posted Tuesday 16th June 2009 15:48 GMT
Barclays cuts more IT jobs (7 January 2009)
Barclays to lay off more tech staff (11 May 2009)
Job cuts start to bite at Barclays (11 June 2009)
... Major system issues (16 June 2009)
Anonymous Coward
Don't bother with the branches #
Posted Tuesday 16th June 2009 15:48 GMT

My girlfriend is a cashier at Barclays and even the branches have collapsed. The best thing to do is to stay home and write an angry letter explaining they probably shouldn't have fired those 400 IT staff a few months ago...
TrixyB
Back online now... #
Posted Tuesday 16th June 2009 15:55 GMT

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1193440/Barclays-cash-machines-online-banking-hit-hardware-failure.html
Staff still not back though...
Anthony Shortland
PCI compliance :) #
Posted Tuesday 16th June 2009 15:57 GMT

I heard it was part of their drive towards PCI compliance. All transactions have to be hand written and delivered to their data center by secure carrier pigeon to be manually keyed in within their secure network
Anonymous Coward
Standard Management Practice #
Posted Tuesday 16th June 2009 16:11 GMT

This is standard management practice. When you have finished destroying the business sack the IT department and then blame all your failures on the resulting mess. We should be flattered that in spite of all the abuse management do actually realise that we are the ones holding the business together.
DaveTheRave
Loose your job #
Posted Tuesday 16th June 2009 16:11 GMT
Anonymous Coward
cash back #
Posted Tuesday 16th June 2009 18:54 GMT
Try getting cash back instead.... I have a feeling it defaults to the VISA part, or whatever, on a debit card if the bank is unavailable. A few weeks ago I was getting the can't connect to your bank message at all the cash machines I tried from various banks but buying a pack of fags and getting cashback in tesco worked fine.
Steve Evans
Oh dear... #
Posted Tuesday 16th June 2009 18:54 GMT
Loose a load of IT staff, and then have the system break... Who would have thought it!
I bet they laid off too many Indians and kept too many chiefs!
Oh well, at least they'll be able to have a nice meeting about it.
John Macintyre
bbc #
Posted Tuesday 16th June 2009 18:54 GMT
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8103271.stm - apparently they had a faulty disk array... guess it might be unsurprising but one disk array for the entire network? talk about a failover failure....
Anonymous Coward
Any chance #
Posted Tuesday 16th June 2009 18:54 GMT

my cash card withdrawal won't get back to my bank?
Anonymous Coward
I wonder how #
Posted Tuesday 16th June 2009 20:50 GMT

many of their offshore staff were involved in fixing this issue....or was it left to the heroic efforts of the few remaining onshore staff.....
Merchman
want my money #
Posted Tuesday 16th June 2009 20:50 GMT
17:45 - couldn't get money from the machines at tesco. At least it's the bank, not me!
David Richardson
Not the first time #
Posted Tuesday 16th June 2009 22:03 GMT

I had the same problem on Saturday (13th June) I tried 3 different cashpoints at my local branch before giving up and going inside. 1st Machine gave a this card is damaged error, the other two let me check my balance but threw a wobbler when I tried to make a withdrawal (unable to contact....).
Hope it stays fixed this time.
RotaCyclic
mmmm #
Posted Tuesday 16th June 2009 23:22 GMT
The Decepticons are at work...
Matthew 4
you would think.. #
Posted Wednesday 17th June 2009 09:57 GMT

they would learn.. remember what happened when they under-invested in IT in Canada? One bank nearly down the toilet (cant remember it's name for the life of me)
Fozzy 1
@ could easily be a BT issue #
Posted Wednesday 17th June 2009 09:57 GMT

Whihc bank is that? I'd love to have a crack at an old fraud trick where you could suck the machine dry of cash in about 10 minutes
Pirates - hand over your jewelry too..
Doogs
RotATM #
Posted Wednesday 17th June 2009 09:57 GMT
My step daughter tried drawing out cash to go shopping for herdaughter's prom dress. Screen went blank just before dispensing cash. Result: no cash but debited from account.
Took her ages to get through, but they restored the balance straight away; so must have been a few with the same thing.
Not particularly robust software if a disk array going down causes that.
Anonymous Coward
the second one #
Posted Wednesday 17th June 2009 12:17 GMT
"presumably some BOFH indulging in some rm -f style payback when given his papers, or a lack of skilled staff left with the ability to fix the problem because they have all been given the bullet..."
I work for barclays let me assure you itll be the latter! I see people given a manual task with excel sit there and manually calculate one row at a time for thousands of rows when there is a very very simple beginner style formula that will do the lot in seconds, it's actually terrifying how little 96% of anyone there is pretty clueless when it comes to using a PC
Anonymous Coward
@Daniel 1 #
Posted Wednesday 17th June 2009 13:27 GMT

You jest, but exactly this happened with their NTP time service a few years ago. Someone had an OpenBSD (I think) system (called Dougal if I remember correctly), sitting under a desk that was turned off, and their entire UNIX application farm lost their reliable time source (it may have been wider than this; I was only interested in the Unix servers). It was not spotted until NTP on the DNS servers (which were also distributing time as a peer NTP tier) started complaining about being unable to sync with their higher-tier time source after about 10 days.
Fortunately. the system was still present, and could be turned on again while they worked out how to remove it properly. Mind you, I was the local 'expert' on their NTP and DNS servers at the time, and I was a contractor. Says volumes about their own expertise, as I only have a passing knowledge of NTP. Think they use InfoBlox now, so I won't be doing that again.
I feel reasonably safe to talk about this now, as all of the people who may recognise me have since left Barclays when the Poole support centre was shut down. Still, black helicopters...
Anonymous Coward
@John Macintyre #
Posted Wednesday 17th June 2009 15:27 GMT
Not really one disk array. Actually a two hands-full of large HDS SAN servers, but it is true that several critical application servers will be on the same SAN server. HDS always told Barclays that their SAN servers had multiple-redundancy, so even when a High Availability solution was deployed on a single site for server resilience, both servers tended to use the same SAN server for storage. And everything else (FC cards, switches, links etc.) was duplicated for each UNIX system. Of course, this was pre-SVN. Don't know whether they have actually implemented this since I left.
Barclays used to have split-site with cross-site disk mirroring for their most critical systems, but when this became too costly, they started reducing the places where this was deployed. Apparently, (high bandwidth) X (long distances ) = lotsa money. Whoda thunk this strategy could cause an outage!
Anonymous Coward
Another strop - Down again 23 June #
Posted Tuesday 23rd June 2009 09:16 GMT
Barclaycard on-line systems down again Tuesday 23rd June!
Can't help thinking that having systems staff in India with servers in UK is not a good idea.