Junior astronomer spots junior supernova
Dodgy Geezer
Where's the critical data? #
Posted Thursday 11th June 2009 23:10 GMT

"...Using a relatively small telescope, Caroline Moore ..."
Astronomy buffs reading your piece will be completely uninterested in Miss (presumably) Moore's age. What they will want to know is, 'How big was her telescope?'.
Really, that information is most important. Someone of any age can pick up a new dot on a big system - it takes skill to do it on a smaller one.....
Mike007
how do you report these things? #
Posted Thursday 11th June 2009 23:16 GMT
999: Which emergency service do you require?
14 year old: the supernova task force
999: one second
supernova task force: what is the nature of your nova emergency?
14 year old: i have spotted a nova at <coordinates>, confirmed by my dad
supernova task force: thank you for your report, we will pass this on to astronomers worldwide to observe and take readings
Werner McGoole
Re: how do you report these things? #
Posted Thursday 11th June 2009 23:31 GMT

I believe the International Astronomical Union (IAU) normally handles this sort of thing.
mrweekender
Shouldn't she... #
Posted Thursday 11th June 2009 23:31 GMT

...be on the park with the other hoodies drinking cider and causing mayhem? I don't know the educated youth of today!
Steve 70
Vogons did it... #
Posted Thursday 11th June 2009 23:54 GMT

Perhaps it was simply demolished to make way for a new hyperspace bypass...
John Robson
Aperture? #
Posted Friday 12th June 2009 07:55 GMT

And pretty cool - I mean, I'm still at the "look, isn't it pretty" stage - to notice a new dot takes some serious interest and work, never mind how old (or young) the astronomer in question.
Graham Marsden
So what is it...? #
Posted Friday 12th June 2009 07:55 GMT

It's not a Nova. It's not a SuperNova.
Perhaps it's a "NotVerySuperNova"?
Camilla Smythe
Go Caroline!!! #
Posted Friday 12th June 2009 07:55 GMT
"Astronomers hope the newest generation of telescopes and instruments will spot much more of this type of event in the next few years."
Yeah sure... like when you point your giant penis extensions in the right direction.
SN 2008ha? No... actually it is spelt Caroline.
Christoph
@ Mike007 #
Posted Friday 12th June 2009 07:55 GMT
Details here http://deer-pond-observatorie.wetpaint.com/page/The+story+about+SN2008ha
Camilla Smythe
Oh.. #
Posted Friday 12th June 2009 07:55 GMT
SN 2008ha: An Extremely Low Luminosity and Extremely Low Energy Supernova
Authors: Ryan J. Foley, Ryan Chornock, Alexei V. Filippenko, Mohan Ganeshalingam, Robert P. Kirshner, Weidong Li, S. Bradley Cenko, Pete Challis, Andrew S. Friedman, Maryam Modjaz, Jeffrey M. Silverman, W. Michael Wood-Vasey
I'll miss out the boring stuff... Disinterested people might wish to scroll to the end...
Paper Content.
Here is some more boring stuff....
References...
OF COURSE MY COMMENT IS TOO FUCKING LONG THERE ARE TOO MANY FUCKING KLINGONS REFERENCED IN SUPPORT OF THE CRAP CONTAINED IN THE PAPER.
And..... being IT literate..... F3, on the full PDF paper, finds no instance of Caroline.
????
Anonymous Coward
ccd images from a 40cm scope #
Posted Friday 12th June 2009 07:55 GMT

SUPERNOVA 2008ha IN UGC 12682
T. Puckett, Ellijay, GA, U.S.A.; Caroline Moore, Warwick, NY, U.S.A.; and Jack
Newton, Portal, AZ, U.S.A., report the discovery of an apparent supernova
(mag 18.8) on unfiltered CCD images (limiting mag 19.4) taken with a 0.40-m
reflector at Portal on Nov. 7.17 UT in the course of the Puckett Observatory
Supernova Search.
A B 3
Sisters... #
Posted Friday 12th June 2009 07:55 GMT

are doing it for themselves.
The glittering gold retro 80s one please.
elderlybloke
Well Done that Girl #
Posted Friday 12th June 2009 07:55 GMT

or should I say -young person .
She obviously has a great knowledge of the sky to pick out a new star appearing in her telescope.
Why don't we get told the size and type? I expect that is not important to the author of the article.
She may have a bright future in Astronomy if she decides on that a a career.
LuMan
Run for it!! #
Posted Friday 12th June 2009 07:55 GMT

By the looks of things stars and planets are exploding with an alarming regularity. Simple mathematics dictate that it's only a matter of time before it's us next.
Either that or we get gatecrashed by Mars....
frank ly
Naming #
Posted Friday 12th June 2009 07:55 GMT
I hope that from now on, this type of object/process will be called a Caroline Nova, or maybe a Carolinian Nova. (There is already a very well known Moore in astronomy so that name shouldn't be used.)
David Adams
Re: how do you report these things? #
Posted Friday 12th June 2009 07:55 GMT

It's easy,
Have you never seen Deep Impact?
Robert Brandon
Movie #
Posted Friday 12th June 2009 09:52 GMT
Too bad none of our telescopes have video cameras. It would be so cool to see what this looks like
Darryl
"SN 2008ha" #
Posted Friday 12th June 2009 09:52 GMT
Couldn't they name the thing after Ms. Moore or something?
James Hughes 1
Size is the most important thing.... #
Posted Friday 12th June 2009 09:52 GMT
Dodgy Geezer's right - how big was her instrument?
Michael H.F. Wilkinson
Novelty (Super) Nova? #
Posted Friday 12th June 2009 09:52 GMT

couldn't resist, sorry
Mine's the one with the Celestron C8 guider in the pocket
Graham Bartlett
I don't know... #
Posted Friday 12th June 2009 09:52 GMT

All those reports, I though it was simply impossible to get kids interested in science and engineering. Especially girls. That's why all those special awards for women involved in science and engineering had to be set up, because clearly the only way to get them involved is to have a "Britain's got female engineering talent" back-slapping contest.
Oh wait - actually, if they're interested in it, then they *will* do it. And be pretty damn good at it too.
Adam Foxton
@NotVerySuperNova #
Posted Friday 12th June 2009 09:52 GMT

How about the Chevrolet Nova- to Quote Phillip J Fry of Futurama fame: "I've never seen a supernova blow up before, but if it's anything like my old Chevy Nova it'll light up the night sky!".
CDG
Novae #
Posted Friday 12th June 2009 09:52 GMT
I did a PhD in classical novae and can tell you its not that unusual for amateurs to spot novae or novae like objects. You dont need a big telescope to do it (in fact it is 'easier' without - you want sky coverage not the ability to spot faint objects) as the objects are usually visible with the naked eye. What you need is coverage of the night sky and the knowledge of the normal star patterns to be able to spot new objects.
There used to be a vicar in the UK who used to spot quite a few novae. He had an incredible knowledge of the night sky and a pair of binoculars.
Boring, but true
Annihilator
Skinner furious #
Posted Friday 12th June 2009 09:52 GMT

Six hours, nineteen minutes, right ascension, fourteen degrees, fifty-eight minutes declination! ...no sighting. Did you get that one Bart?
jeffrey 1
right #
Posted Friday 12th June 2009 09:57 GMT

So this explosion is more like the backfire from a vauxhall nova , than the massive release of energy from a super nove?
Fair play to the kid though, if she has discovered a new tyoe fo explosion IAU should give her naming rights.
Anonymous Coward
mininova #
Posted Friday 12th June 2009 10:53 GMT

How about mininova.
Richard 100
Disaster Area ... ?? #
Posted Friday 12th June 2009 10:53 GMT

Looks like the Great Disaster Area comeback tour has finally hit the road!!
Boris the Cockroach
You are all wrong #
Posted Friday 12th June 2009 12:15 GMT

That was the nearest intelligent life to earth starting their LHC at full power
John Gamble
"...finds no instance of Caroline." #
Posted Friday 12th June 2009 13:31 GMT
Hard to tell if you're being dim on purpose, so I'll treat this as a legit comment. The paper referenced is not the paper outlining her discovery, it is a paper on the make-up of the supernova itself (although, El Reg, it would have been nice to have a pointer to Moore's notification).
And she is referenced as the co-author of the discovery notification in the references section, as she should be, as "Moore, C.".
In other words, she's being treated as a real member of the community. Which she is.
Camilla Smythe
I must apologise for my oversight #
Posted Friday 12th June 2009 19:32 GMT
Due to being thick and looking for Caroline.
And take the opportunity to moan that her name is not more prominant.
David 45
Gets the prize #
Posted Sunday 14th June 2009 20:07 GMT
Well done, that lass. They all look alike to me! Gotta be very knowledgeable to have come up with THAT discovery.