If i was an ISP i'd tell them that if they can't even work out there expenses correctly what chance the good old Gov.UK has there figures right?

2 billion over 10 years seems peanuts and good old Jacki running around blindly as usual when it comes to the internet thinks this will cover it ( and when it turns out that it will cost 10 times this amount who foots the bill, oh yer me because she was so stupid and did her usual and ignored all sound advice and did it anyway) does anyone know who gives these nutters these ideas?

The best news i heard though was good old Gordo is staying on i say keep him for the next 20 years as no one will vote for a party run by this spineless idiot, Vote Green, Free the Weed!!!!

"ISPs are worried that the Home Office does not understand the scale of the technical challenge involved in monitoring and storing data on every communication via the internet. They fear the spiralling costs associated with government IT projects and resent being forced to devote resources to the plans."

Someone here is not playing with a straight bat.

ISPs worry that savvy consumers will shop around and the churn cost & bad publicity will increase .or. ISPs use different consultants to the Government/Whitehall to tell them what can be done .or. ISPs can do it and want paying again by the public purse for the data they're extracting from public taxpayer anyway .or. ISPs fear that in the longterm FoI requests will show them and the government up for the cheating twofaced chiselers they are .or. "fill in your own reason".

That the Government/Whitehall couldn't control a kiddies pedal cart, never mind the IT/ID juggernaught they've set in motion, should surprise no one.

Piss people off, yes indeedy it does for this little voter.

"ISPs are worried that the Home Office does not understand the scale of the technical challenge involved in monitoring and storing data on every communication via the internet."

Well, that *WOULD* be a surprise if they're not understanding it, after all, they've shown such acumen in the past over at uk.gov!

If the ISPs manage to block this, I might not rant about their "unlimited use (subject to terms and conditions that we're not going to tell you)" adverts quite as much...

.. for the Post Office !

It'll soon become the most secure way of communicating - Can't see anyone willing to steam open billions of letters a year ......

... maybe they'll actually *listen* for once, though, if industry says "no way in hell"...

it won't be long before a P2P app is created that will make the info gathered on the wire totally useless. All it has to do is create numerous connections to peers, send some random data and close the connection, repeat.

She is being fired on Monday morning - sorry 'has entered into an agreement with the PM' ROFLMAO

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Politics/MPs-Expenses-Home-Secretary-Jacqui-Smith-To-Leave-Cabinet-According-To-Sky-Sources/Article/200906115293720

This calls for a National Holiday!

I really admire your optimism. Shall we review this governments track record on listening to the legitimate concerns of groups that know infinitely more about the area of proposed legislation than said government? No? Fair enough, the conclusion is pretty foregone anyway.

Paris, cos she knows more about the power of the internet than these whitehall wankers

"ISPs are worried that the Home Office does not understand the scale of the technical challenge involved in monitoring and storing data on every communication via the internet."

Of course the Government don't understand. They have no clue about anything at all this lot. And I thought the last lot were bad.

The older I get the more I'm convinced that politicians, are, by their very nature, technically incompetent, morally challenged, money grabbing, useless bastards who only support their own, selfish and extreme agendas.

Unfortunately, sensible, learned, intellectually developed, moral, moderate people don't go into politics. Mark Steel had a great idea about anyone wanting to be a politician should be banned from being one. With the exception of Liberal Democrats. Anyone wanting to be a LD must be OK as they must surely know they'll never get any real power.

"Jacqui Smith 'to resign as home secretary' as expenses row continues"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/jun/02/darling-hoon-expenses-reshuffle

There she is getting her coat - it's the one with the dodgy expense claims and Stasi membership card in the pocket.

Just heard that Wacqui is resigning as Home Secretary. Wooo, and indeed, hoo!

She's staanding down after the nest reshuffle.

Wahoo \o/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8079205.stm

Good riddance to complete shit.

According to Auntie, she's slinging her proverbial. And there was much rejoicing!

Bye bye Jacqui. You won't be missed.

I... I...

I could cry right now.

Thank you.

***"This calls for a National Holiday!"***

I wouldn't bother

Blunkett, Clarke, Reid and Smith. All dedicated their time in office to increasing the oppression and surveillance of the UK population. What makes you think the next dickhead* to hold this post will be any different?

* appointed by Brown, ergo dickhead.

Wacky's petty-Stalinist plans are great for the vendors of private VPNs. Time to invest, methinks.

Let's just hope and pray that whoever replaces her is less Shadow like and more Vorlon.

You've just made my day for telling me that. I did have to check a "legit" news service to verify though.

It'll be interesting to see who takes over, and whether they'll continue the insane policies she's been so proud of.

BBC and SKY reporting she's going - can we expect more of the same from the identikit replacement liebore politicians or will we finally get a Home Secretary with some balls to stand up to the incessant demands for power from MI5/6, APCO and unelected civil servants?

As long as you don't operate a Tor exit node. If you do her wacquiness' spy kit will record *you* as visiting any terrorist / pron / kiddie-fiddler sites visited by users that exit through your node.

Given that we have been finding out how untrustworthy politicians have been over the last few weeks, why on earth would I trust them with details of my own net habits?

@Danny

Good to hear!

It's good news, but all of these plans will continue regardless of who is Home Secretary. I also doubt that very much will change even if the current lot lose the next general election.

Praise be! The mad witch is off! There are no words to express my relief that she is going but may she burn in hell. I feel a few celebratory beers coming on!

Since she's just resigned ( or at least about to ) this might be put on the backburner for a while....

I'm going to have a small script running that sends as many emails from me to me as possible, then then deletes them from my account.

Preferably with a 9.99MB file attached, say a vid of jacki smith saying how this will help and the text with some key words like

BOMB

in it for good measure.

Wonder how long it would take my ISP to give up and cry...

Paris - because we all want to see her emails get leaked - again...

I spent some time going working with a network attached anti virus device that would scan all traffic coming through it for potential virus' and various malware.

The idea was brilliant, but there was one glaring little hole that didn't get mentioned much.... SSL.

Any data that came through an SSL connection was encrypted so we couldn't scan it to see if it contained malware unless we decrypted it first. It is possible to decrypt data, but it takes time and effort and is not feasible to do to all traffic so anything that came through SSL was ignored.

I would suggest that if this ever takes off everybody will just start using encrypted connections. The ISP's could log it, but it would be bloody meaningless to anybody unless they sat there for a few years decrypting it all (512bit encryption takes a while to break through and everybody can have it nowadays).

After randomly trying to go through a few peoples data and coming up with nothing they will probably give up dur to the prohibitive cost. Or they will demand the ISP's decrypt the data as well and watch them all go out of business....

Another well thought out idea by the Home Office.....

This calls for a drink to celebrate.

...who do we CC our emails to now on June 15th?

http://www.ccjacquismith.co.uk/

@ James Posted Tuesday 2nd June 2009 11:48 GMT

"Can't see anyone willing to steam open billions of letters a year ......"

That never stopped the Stasi! And this govt is in that league!

Paris: 'cause she's familiar with packet inspection

The whackster herself is departing......

: )

By Wize Posted Tuesday 2nd June 2009 11:41 GMT

...giving us a secure connection to a point in another country which doesn't watch everyone so much.

Like Iran!!!

As for WJ, she is just one more to drink from the poisoned chalice, they have all tried to out do their predecessor at the expense of the citizen, we shall not forget them come voting day.