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The Dutch "artist" who in 2004 turned her pussy into a handbag under the performance art title "My dearest cat Pinkeltje (2004)" has published personal details of those who emailed her expressing their disgust. Tinkebell's My dearest cat Katinka Simonse, aka Tinkebell, copped a veritable shitstorm of e-abuse for the feline …

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To put it into some perspective...

It's not like she waited for her "beloved" cat to die of natural causes. She wrung its neck with her own hands once she decided to make a handbag out of it.

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what's the problem?

it's just because we "like" cats isn't it? as far as I can see, there are 2 likely scenario's here

1) her cat died and she decided to make the skin/fur into a handbag.

so what? how is this different from a leather handbag made of cow skin.

2) she killed her cat to make the skin/fur into a handbag.

so what? how is this different from a leather handbag made of cow skin.

is it just that many people own and therefore like cats, but those people rarely come into contact with actual cows therefore don't give them as much "humanity"?

is it just that cats are cuter than cows?

what's the problem?

dave

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LOL

Hahahahaha "Ohh I am protected by my monitor sitting in my trailer dissing anyone I want

this has made my morning"

While I may not be a fan of this kind of "art" there is never a need to spout hate at someone thinking your safe from comebacks.

Or at least use a fake webmail account/proxy/made up name *cough* or so I understand ;)

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Artist?

This pretentious little twat is an insult to art and to humanity.

May something unspeakably dreadful happen to her.

Soon.

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Paris Hilton

No being funny...

... but I'm inclined to agree with the sentiments expressed towards her by these people!

Paris, since she'd never allow any harm to her pussy!

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Troll.

Bonsai Kitty anybody?

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More perspective...

The cat was dying, and normally would've gone to the vet to die. Now she killed it herself. Not that much of a difference, and as for the handbag, it's just using what's available. Some would see it as a proper way to use what the cat made (it's own fur).

I'm not sure I support this, but it does seem good to show people that they're not as anonymous as they think.

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Perspective

Fair point, but anonymous notes saying "I will personally stop you. You will regret this" is somewhat disturbing as well.

What we need is a plague on both their houses. I dunno, something with no physical violence but leaving both sides feeling right royally done over. Hmmm. Tricky one. How about lawyers?

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A blow to keyboard warriors

While I find her "art" very tasteless, I must say that I find the way the tables have turned on the abusive anonymous keyboard warriors very funny. My personal take is that if you're ashamed to put your name to your comments, you shouldn't be allowed on-line in the first place.

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Hmmmm

Much as wringing your own poor moggy's neck barehanded is unpleasant, the 'haters' are usually a pretty special breed of psych subprofile themselves, often leaning toward the sociopathic I suspect.

My cats are so damned big I think they'd skin my arms before I got a decent neck-wringing purchase on them, as soon as they suspected foul play, plus the other two would gang up on me as I could only do one at a time...

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I hate this

if she's horrid enough to kill her own cat just to get some attention, then I'm not sure where she'd stop. I think "disturbed freak" just about covers it.

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Not an artist.

Just someone who likes to shock.

They add some bullshit angle to their works to make them sound arty.

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she what?!

and she's not been done for animal cruelty?

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Re: More perspective...

I hope she knew what she was doing if she killed it herself. A 'Pulling'-style brick to the head isn't quite as humane as veterinary euthanasia.

Nice bag though.

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@Andrew Moore

You are correct of course, but if you look at the Saatchi Gallery link, you can see a lot of the reasoning behind her "art". While the purse was more a case of her wanting her cat with her at all times (which is bizarre), the other articles of art made a statement about how we treat our pets.

For people to get bent out of shape over her turning her cat into a handbag, yet ignoring her real message is hypocritical.

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@Andrew Moore

Is that correct? I couldn't find any info.

While I think the book project is very interesting, if she did kill the cat herself for the handbag project I'm not so impressed.

That being said, the whole thing is pretty funny really.

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lack of facts

How said animals died would have been investigated and any wrong doing prosecuted. Spouting unsupported 'truths' like Andrew Moore (above) is the reason why she later published 'Dear Tinkerbell'. If she did strangle it and there is proof, then she will get what she deserves - probably a fine.

If you were going to kill a cat breaking it's neck would be the most humane approach - you'll also receive a lot less scratches and bite marks!

I would happily bet a pint of beer that it was put down at a vets and then cured professionally.

Author: wheres the NSFW tag for the boobs and penis shots at the bottom of that link? :]

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so..

She kills her cat for profit, then releases the private information of people who criticise her, for profit.

How is she not in jail exactly?

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Seems fair enough on one level.

While I neither condone nor condemn her 'art', I guess it must've been legal to perform, or she would've been arrested for it or banned from doing it.

From her thinly veiled threat about reporting her critics for their original correspondence I guess that is illegal.

Either way I understand her wanting to hit back, but can't help feel she's asking for trouble!

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LOOK AT ME!

The lengths people will go to to get some attention....

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Eh?

Artist, eh? In the same sense as Ed Gein i guess.

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Well bagged

She sure bagged that cat good and proper.

LOL to the numb-skulls out there in FaceTwat land....

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did she, or didn't she

kill it?

that would be very much more difficult than using the remains, surely? ...maybe poison both ways - mmm, that's probably it.

defo a fame seeker

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Is an artist...

Not an artist.

Just someone who likes to shock.

They add some bullshit angle to their works to make them sound arty.

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Ummm... that, by modern standards, is practically the definition of an artist... have you not seen the Turner prize entrants in the last oooh 15 years or so?

Think people like Damien Hurst, Tracy Emin or Chris Ofili.

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reading backwards can expose you to ridicule

esra

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Invasion of privacy?

What invasion? As far as I can tell from the story, all the information was taken from the public domain (social networking etc) so I can't see any invasion.

If you don't want your personal details spweed to the world - don't put them down the intertubes then!

As for her art - it's base, tasteless and utterly without talent. Bit like Damien Hirst and his ilk really.

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Prosecution

In civilized countries, cruelty to animals is a criminal offence.

In general, so is sending someone hate mail, but when it's someone who deserves it, disclosing personal details of people without authorization is also a criminal offence.

The Dutch should shut down her web site, and put her in jail. It's as simple as that.

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RE: Re: More perspective...

Not sure about Dutch law, but in the UK it is not illegal to kill/euthanise your pet. Anyone such as the RSPCA that chooses to prosecute have to show you didn't have reasonable grounds for the act. Seeing as I expect European laws to be roughly similar nowadays I can't see her getting into any legal trouble for the kitty killing. Whilst the woman is probably not going to make any sane person's Chrimbo list, she can say she acted in mercy if the cat was diseased as long as she did not refuse a vet's offer of a professional service. If she did refuse the vet's service and then wrung the kitty's neck then she could be found guilty of cruelty to an animal. Of course, after the critter is dead there is no legal comeback for post-mortem use, as long as the animal isn't on the CITES list. Oherwise you wouldn't be allowed to stuff animals or make coats out of them (and yes, I think anyone that wants to stuff an animal and put it on their shelf at home is a few buns short of a bakery anyway).

As regards the naming and shaming of those that sent her threats, they are stupid people and deserve to be at least embarassed if not prosecuted. If you said half those threats in the street in the UK then you'd be risking arrest for threatening behaviour. Making the same threats by email is no different.

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Clever use of the tail

as the handbag strap.

// +1 for ingenuity.

// Mine's the dalmatian fur one

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The Real storey

I don't care what she did with here pussy, the real storey here is the way she dealt with the supposedly anonymous hate mail, for which I must applaud her.

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Matters of taste

While I may think that kitty bag is a quite tasteless, probably because I could never do something like that to my pet (albeit as Sarah said above, the bag is quite stylish), she's done nothing wrong in the eyes of law. All these environMENTALists need to get a life. Sometimes I think they would rather kill people but not animals - where's the logic there? Something in their head is messed up.

While perhaps some things I consider tasteless, amoral, sick, whatever, one cannot (and should not) legislate morality. Otherwise, we are back in the dark ages. And this vigilantism )or wannabe vigilantism) ought to be punished severely.

Huntingdon Life Sciences springs to memory somehow.

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@what's the problem?

I find myself agreeing with David. If you wear leather shoes. Have a leather sofa. Eat lamb, pork, duck, or whatever the hell they make sausages out of (you can't convince me it's pork). Then you really can't complain here.

If the cat was on it's way out anyway even less so as most animals we eat are in their prime.

I wear leather shoes and eat meat. If I was to be anti this then I would be the worst kind of hypocrite as you can'y pick one animal over another like that.

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Hmmmm

I own a Rottweiler, perhpas I'll pursue another art form in case he turns me into a handbag :-)

Seriously though, there are animal welfare laws in Holland so lets not imagine she just tunred round and rung the moggy's neck!

Like the point about leather though.......

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Vermin.

Cats are (or were?) classed as vermin anyway, there's no problem with killing it provided it's done humanely.

Looking at this a bit closer, it seems the cat was terminally ill and needed shooting anyway, everything after that is just details.

Not art? If you define art as any peice of creative work that evokes emotion, negative or positive, in the viewer then you have to include this.

Who really feels comfortable, positive even, looking at Edvard Munch's "The Scream"?

Ok so I'm not comparing one of the greatest peices of the last century to some daft cow and her DIY handbag, but often its the uneasy feeling a peice gives you that really makes it what it is.

Bit tasteless though, and frankly the rest of her work in the same vein yet even less inspiring. (Threatening to shred 61 chicks unless the crowd adopted them for example)

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Art aside...

Taking the art out of the equation, I've always been amazed at how well 'ard keyboard warriors can be when they think they're anon. I feel this is a nice way to say up yours to them. after all, if someone threatens to kill you, in many cases that's a breach of the law.

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Some perspective

Theres a few cat lovers on here arent there?

Now I respect cat owners rights to keep a pet far, far, more than they respect my right to a catshit free garden, so I wouldnt personally hurt one. However I absolutely salute this artist for her work. The more of these non-indiginous, dangerous, disgusting, dirty threat to native species, hateful little fu%^ers are turned into useful handbags the better.

Just to get some balance into the discussion.

Thank you.

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Okay, so the handbag is tasteless

...and I have to confess that I'm no lover of cats myself, although I would probably stop short of killing the little bastards that dig up my vegetables and shit on them.

However, sending threatening email to people is illegal. The artist in question chose to 'name and shame'* those who has threatened her. These were people whe were not only stupid enough to threaten someone but doubly stupid by not doing it in a particularly anonymous fashion. This woman would be, AFAIK, quite within her rights to make a complaint to the police about these people in their respective countries of origin. She chose the arguably more humane option of turning it into 'art'.

*I hate this Daily Mail-esque phrase and am truly sorry and ashamed for using it

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Real-life troll

that's all, nothing wrong with killing your cat to make a bag, but doing it to get a reaction out of other people makes you a class 1 knobhead.

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@andy gibson

I wholehartedly agree with your statement "My personal take is that if you're ashamed to put your name to your comments, you shouldn't be allowed on-line in the first place." I for one use this principle throught all my comments!! Oh wait....

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You realise of course

That the link in the original story show hard core porn ?

Thise women is sick and I hope she gets sued into the ground.

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I wonder

if she would object to her boy/girlfriend killing her and stuffing her one day to make an artistic statement?

Or would she kill and preserve one of her own children (if she ever gets one) to protect him/her against the anxieties of growing up?

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No Pratchett quote yet?

Style. Beauty. Grace. That's what matters. If cats looked like frogs we'd realize what nasty, cruel little bastards they are. -- Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies.

No, my coat has nothing to do with cats...

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Re: @what's the problem?

Oh for fucksakes it's more complicated than that, don't just go 'if you eat one animal then you shouldn't complain about any others being killed under any circumstances ever cos otherwise you're the worst kind of hypocrite'. Engage your brain. Unless you'd rather not in which case, welcome, you're among friends here.

Still, this is the 4975967th time this kind of argument has played out here so I should just learn some kind of meditation technique, or something. Or maybe go and get a job in an abbatoir. Or a petting zoo. I see no conflict there, etc etc etc.

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neat

at last some one has found a practical use for a cat.

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It always amazes me.

How people send offensive messages through the internet when their details are so easily searchable on the world wide web. Hopefully this will be a lesson to self-obsessed keyboard warriors to be a little more considered about when they send and what they post about themselves.

@andy gibson: Some of us who are proud of our views still feel that our employers, potential employers, or just random nutcases may take exception to them at some point in the next 20 years or so -- tying comments to your real name forever and publishing them to the world in searchable form is not always a wise course of action.

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@Sarah Bee

"Nice bag though."

Nice Purrse.

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pets

"it's not like she waited for her "beloved" cat to die of natural causes. She wrung its neck with her own hands once she decided to make a handbag out of it"

let's rephrase this :

"it's not like she waited for her "beloved" chicken to die of natural causes. She wrung its neck with her own hands once she decided to make a meal out of it"

"it's not like she waited for her "beloved" beef to die of natural causes. She wrung its neck with her own hands once she decided to make a steak out of it"

please guys, let's not be hypocrits...

paris, 'cos she knows how to wrang her kitty

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Re: Bonsai Kitty anybody?

Hmm... remove the lower legs bones?

...Need to shorten the backbone somehow..

Might work.

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Private - don't think so

I'm willing to bet that all the commenters whinging about disclosure of "private"(read public domain) information have all abused someone online "anonymously" and are now really worried that their fondness for spanking or whatever is going to be revealed to their Mum. What she's doing should happen a lot more.

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@Sarah Bee

I agree...very nice bag .Not sure about the brick to the head though... (prefer the twist -and-pull method myself) . Kind of funny reading the response to this article though...(irony, we've heard of it)

Nice twist (sorry) on how she turned the tables on her detractors.Revenge best served cold (gazpacho)

Just goes to show there's more than one way to skin a ...

er

.. mines the one with the ermine collar

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