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The website of the British National Party is back online following a reported distributed denial of service attack over the weekend. Nick Griffin, leader of the far-right political party, is appealing for £5,000 urgently to purchase hardware and servers to keep the site online in the run-up to the European and local elections …

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Really?

""BNP website [was] taken offline in largest cyber attack in recorded history" and of a scale seen only once before in a 2001 attack against Microsoft."

Not sure whether to put this down to sheer arrogance, complete petulance, total ignorance or just utter bollocks.

And as for asking for money.... just tell him to wait until he is an MP and then he can reclaim it all on expenses!

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shame

It's a shame it's not possible to DDos Attack their voters so that no ballot slips get through at the poles.

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Wait a minute, Anti-Fascists

who are saying "believe what I believe or I'll DDOS you"? Or is it "we don't trust the British people to not vote for the racist buggers"? How about "Democracy's awesome, so long as we're in charge"?

They're not very good at upholding their own beliefs, are they?

Well, they've come for the BNP and we'll say next to nothing.

Then it'll be the UKIP, SNP and the Monster Raving Loonies. And we'll say nothing.

Then we'll be left with a choice between the conservatives and labour. And that will just suck horrendously.

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As Nelson would have said...

Nelson Muntz, that is...Hah-Ha!

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Rubbish

The DDoS attack is pure fiction - read the comment here

http://lancasteruaf.blogspot.com/2009/05/whodunnit.html

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Do you get the feeling that nobody likes you

Not surprised because nobody does. Its the one thing this country is united about.

Although I do think you should be free to spout whatever hateful diatribe you wish.

And (although I wouldn't want you at my party) you should be allowed to go to the Queens party but just sit there eat you cake and keep your mouth shut!

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Griffin would know...

>> Griffin writes that the "BNP website [was] taken offline in largest cyber attack in recorded history"

Uh huh. Griffin being well known for his l33t tech skillz.

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BNP...muppets

Honestly, these BNP chaps are just muppets - it's not like their website is hosted on a massive server farm. Anyone could take it down for £50

Muppets.

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Can you really believe them?

I'm not sure £5000 even buys a normal corporate firewall and a party supported by Labour, Conservative and Liberal? I don't even think the 'Save the kittens from neo-nazi animal killers society' would get open support from all three parties.

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Clear Channel

Does't appear to be anything on the Clear Channel UK website about a DDos attack.

Bet they are really chuffed to be brought into the news over something like this!

Best keep your more controversial clients quite, can imagine others who oppose the BNP considering moving their bussines elsewhere.

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Distributed Denial of...

...Scumbags? Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice...

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Honestly !

Well would you believe it, a good use for DDoS.

ALF

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Whilst I don't condone the actions of said crackers

It is piss funny listening to them bitch and moan. Excellent!

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anyone see 'have i got news for you' last week?

the BNP is producing cartoons now for kids. and is setting up a youth movement.

wtf is happening to this country?

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World's saddest song

on the world's smallest violin...

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Rock and a Hard Place

Hmmm, difficult this. On the one hand you'd have to say well done to try and silence someone of the rubbish the BNP put out but on the other hand to do this, is to deny one the principles of democracy.

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Bollocks

"Their IT professionals tracked the criminal activity back to a notorious "anti-fascist" organisation" - of course they did. I bet MI5 & the police are tripping over each other to help.

Rot in hell BNP.

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Largest In History

Jesus! So like the whole Russia/Estonia thing.. yeah? Wow... i mean.... wow... HOW many computers must have been involved? I mean.. this is pretty serious... like did they get like every hax0r in the world to ddos their site?

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DDoS or just popular?

Maybe the eastern europeans want to be so british that they are all clammering to sign up to the BNP. Seems that facism was always popular that direction.

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Coudn't happen to a nicer bunch of berkshires

Nothing else to add.

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Marxists? In Russia?

Was Mr Griffin transported in a time warp from some 1930's nazi time travel experiment?

The only Marxists left in Russia are the infamous 'Red Grannies' of Nevsky Prospect

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BNP ready for Government?

After all they're proving they're crap with IT. Are you sure their email didn't originate from Nigeria?

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heh heh

I, for one, am gutted...

Paris as she'd never deny service.

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Title

Can we get some technical details, how big the attack actually was, how much bw it used, etc?

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This gives me hope...

If they are having trouble raising £5,000 for additional server capacity, they are obviously not as big and important as they would like everyone to think they are.

"in largest cyber attack in recorded history" - riiight, sure. So it was bigger than the one that took out Ukrain for a week? And 'A conspiracy by "Marxist cyber criminals"' - no, just a couple of script kiddies with a bonet.

They do like to flatter themselves and make out that they are this huge force in politics. If anything, the release of their membership list was quite heartening, it showed just how few members they actually have around the country.

The BNP are a joke.

Although that doesn't mean we should stop watching them.

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Woe are We ..... All is Undone and Up for Grabs

"The BNP's Darby said it had reported its suspicions about the attack to MI5 and the police, actions only likely to result in a charge of wasting police time, according to Searchlight." .... and a waste of the BNP's time too, many would say, given the nature of the game/attack/ego trip?

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Or...

Some muppet tripped over the ethernet cable to their server (note: singular), but nothing can ever be attributed to in-house staff, so blame the commies.

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Hmmmm

I find it interesting that if such an attack had been directed against, say: Oxfam, or maybe the Red Cross, it'd be shocking and contemptible. I would decry it as an example of the reason botnets need to be cleaned up and so forth.

However when it happens to the BNP, I struggle to feel any sympathy, and start to wonder if perhaps the murky side of the internet doesn't have its better points.

Paris - she can identify with suddenly being deprived of technology after all of those phones.

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HA LOL

like they give a monkeys !

im all for england and proud to be white.

but ..... (common you knew i was going to say that)

I will never condone violence based on race.

Yes different races have different capabilities Live with it.

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Biggest in history??

Whilst it's not funny for a website of a legal (batshit insane) party to be taken down by any means I do find the notion that this was the biggest DDOS in history hysterically funny and just another attempt for the BPN to make themselves sound more important than they are.

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Oh my heart..

bleeds...

Oh, wait no, blood flows out and in to that organ normaly, so no it doesn't bleed at all.

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Reichstag Firewall?

The old tricks are still used. Lets hope they don't still work though.

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If only...

any of what they're whining about was true. Okay, so it's not right that they should be silenced, but it also isn't right that they're allowed to spout this torrent of ---- and have their well informed, technoliterate supporters gasp and point at the marxist, east European, botnet WITH THREE PARTY SUPPORT.

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victims

The BNP's whole existence is based on portraying themselves as 'victims' (the poor, downtrodden white male) so this plays into their hands, producing the same comedic exaggeration in their response as found in their other literature.

I wonder if it hit their impressivly pointless efforts (supported by US right-wing activists) to ballot-stuff the comments sections of the Daily Mail website (amongst other sites) to make their supporters comments most popular?

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lol

Have the BNP hired Hal Turner?

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Real reason

The real reason is that the moved ISPs.

Don't be fooled by what they think is an incredible publicity stunt and call-to-arms.

Everything else is BS. I mean, DDoS uses botnets. How they can find the leader of the zombies in such a short space of time mystifies me. Unless of course there wasn't one...

When will they realise that the majority of British people do not like the BNP. Not in the same way that Labour supporters don't like Conservative supporters - the way that reasonable human beings don't like fascist bigots.

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Jason -- "but on the other hand to do this, is to deny one the principles of democracy."

So thier tactics of storming meetings and bussing people in to create trouble in, say, Luton, are not the same as a 'denial of service'?

If five grand is all they need then I'd guess there are people out there itching to have another go as it won't buy much in the way of security or the fascists have asked for a lot of money to replace a power supply that caused their system to go down.

I'm in favour of democracy - I wouldn't moan if the SWP were screwed over, either.

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Why bother?

Attacking the BNP only serves to get them mentioned in news outlets, like this one...

On the other hand, the BNP managed to get just over 5% of the vote in the london mayoral elections... I doubt that 5% of the people of london actually believe in their policies, most of those votes will be protest votes because all of the major parties have disenfranchised them in one way or another. Take away those, and the BNP will only have a small hard core of followers.

If the major parties would stop being so sleazy and self serving then parties like the BNP wouldn't even register in the grand scheme of things.

Try serving the people who voted for you, not your buddies at the golf club.

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The BNP is the only political party left in the UK with even a modicum of decency, unfortunately.

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fashists vs the BNP

So, the BNP is a recognised and legitimate political party right?

Who the fuck are these hippies trying to subvert the course of democracy?

I don't side with people that don't trust democracy. The choice is that of the people, not some hippies with delusions of sticking it to the man under the European superstate flag bullshit.

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Time for another Boycott ...

So Clear Channel carries BNP posters? Time for a stern letter to their UK office boycotting all the other products they advertise ...

They can have freedom of speech. I have the freedom not to buy.

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Ho hum...

Reading the comments attached to the Lancaster UAF page (helpfully linked to from Ketlan's post above), their hosting provider apparently pulled the plug on them (they allege due to the DDoS affecting the provider's entire network).

What makes me think they were so busy funding leaflets and TV campaigns they either forgot to pay their website hosting bill or forgot to buy an upgrade when they neared their service level's capacity?

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It's just one bunch of fascists attacking another...

Whereas I have no time for the BNP, I find this kind of suppression of free speech deplorable. Can you imagine if we ended up with a government staffed with people of the mindset of those who perpetrated this attack? What would they do to anyone with the temerity to publicly disagree with them? In reality they're just another brand of fascist.

Many would regard a diversity of political opinion, therefore political parties, as a sign of a healthy democracy, even if some of those opinions are rather unpleasant.

The sad fact is that there are people in our society who do agree with the policies of fringe movements such as the BNP and the Greens, both of which seem long on coercion and short on consensus, and who should be allowed to vote for whichever party they believe will best represent their views.

I object to those who have so little regard for their fellow man that they assume that we are all so stupid and ignorant of history that we have to be guided (by them, of course) for fear that we can't see how moribund most extremist philosophies are, and therefore choose not to vote for them all by ourselves.

If they were to make more of the surprisingly large number of criminal convictions against some members of the BNP's inner circle (for offences such as gang rape, armed robbery, and violent assault, rather than "political" crimes), or point out the lamentable attendance record of many of their elected councillors, demonstrating that representation of the people is not a priority for them, then they would arguably be far more effective.

Assuming this attack did happen, it seems far more likely to reinforce the beliefs of those who already support them, and get the sympathy (!) vote of those who are wavering, than to have any significant negative effect on them.

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Precedent here...?

"Oh no, we've been attacked by Polish hackers. Let's invade them!"

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Is this the BNP with the Polish Spitfire on its leaflets?

anyway, let's have the scale of the attack reported in the correct units: methinks that 28 million hits is scarcely likely to reach the dizzying heights of 40Gbps or more seen in proper, hardcore DDoS attacks, and if it did it wouldn't have lasted very long

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Idiots

Everyone on here crying "Ha ha, isn't it funny that the BNP fascists got DDoS'd and are whinging" should probably take a step away from the keyboard and look at our *current* government, who have implemented more fascist doctrine than the BNP have even considered.

They've also brought in more laws that mean that, for example, a person of foreign descent (asian, african etc) being attacked by a group of "white youths" is immediately branded as being racially motivated, whereas the reverse is *never* true.

I have nothing to do with the BNP, never voted for them, never been to a meeting and as far as i'm aware don't know anyone of same, but the comments on here are more deluded about what we currently have as a government than some of the worst twitterings of the Daily Fail crowd.

Please, for the love of his noodley appendage, reel your necks in and point your ire where it actually should be pointed.

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Re: Wait a minute, Anti-Fascists

"They're not very good at upholding their own beliefs, are they? Well, they've come for the BNP and we'll say next to nothing."

Congratulations for buying into the propaganda: make up some affront to your cause, then use it as an excuse to attack the people you've just blamed for that affront. And you're lapping it up.

"Then it'll be the UKIP, SNP and the Monster Raving Loonies. And we'll say nothing."

Congratulations for the "they came for... and we said nothing" reference which, given the affected party, manages to hit the heights of irony whether you intended it or not.

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"largest cyber attack in recorded history"?

This guy lies.

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Cheap publicity stunt.

> "Their IT professionals tracked the criminal activity back to a notorious "anti-fascist" organisation" -

Tracing the origin / originator of a sophisticated distributed denial of service botnet attack is usually pretty much impossible as the originator / controller will have carefully concealed their tracks.

This episode reeks of cheap publicity stunt - the aggressor paints itself victim; the aggressor paints the victim as aggressor.

Btw - Stop the War collatition experienced a website DDOS / email outage during the Isreali attack on Palestine - someone was clearly uncomfortable with the true horror of war being revealed. The attacker clearly wasn't particularly clever because simple mirroring across freely donated virtual hosting and round robin DNS solved the issue.

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@Lionel Baden

...No, I refute that. I think it's much more a question of the quality of your education and the culture you grow up in. Non-white tend to live in less developed countries, if they were born into a well off (yes, money is important here) British family they'd achieve just as much. Skin colour has no more relation to your 'capabilities' then hair colour does to your foot size.

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