High-waistlines?
So if they have their way and get something a little more fashionable do this mean we'll be inundated with women police officers' whale tails?? What that'd do for respect and authority God only knows.
Women coppers eager to drop trousers
Blighty's female coppers are none too happy with their current standard-issue police strides, which they claim makes them look like a “a sack of potatoes” and, worse still, sport a Simon Cowell-style high waistband. The problem, the Times reports, is that women officers are lumbered either with trousers which were designed for …
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Well now.
Personally I think they should wear black stockings and a short skirt. Maybe a bit of a heel too. And that goes for the women as well.
Solution
Simple solution. Just get a load of the hotpant-styled WPC outfits left over from the Benny Hill show. This will also prevent ne're-do-wells from running away too quick (unless accompanied by piped version of Yackety Sax, of course).
Maybe they'd like me to 'take something down in evidence!' Fnaar!
Mental flashback
Adrienne Barbeau - Cannonball Run (I or II?) - Lamborghini Countach - seduces traffic policemen with a spandex outfit - runs foul of a lady policeman in a tight dress.
Change the unofirm
This gent looks comfortable enough. http://www.polease.co.uk/bstone/d/127-9/aru22.jpg
We all know it's what Gordo wants! Still, I do think that the police need a new uniform.
A common mistake
Companies spend thousands on recruitment and training each staff member, and claim to really "value" their staff, and then try and save £5 on a bit of comfort which makes a lie of the whole thing.
It's the same in the IT crowd; £5,000 or more can be spent on agency fees and the company begrudges spending 10% of that on a decent working equipment.
(My employer is NOT like that; we get decent desks and chairs, pick our own keyboard and mouse, and a double 22 inch monitor setup)
Sam
I vote for these
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/415zJzrgHsL._AA280_.jpg - 1st choice
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41BT8HYNCAL._SS500_.jpg - 2nd :D
expenses
Aha! A new expenses controversy: police officers get trousers provided by the state. I have to buy my own trousers. How disgraceful, etc, etc.
Just out of curiosity
How long do you guys spend tweaking your headlines to make them sound as filthy and perverted as possible? Is there an average length of time? Is it under two hours?
I fail to see the IT angle here
I will observe however, that if you take a look at the women police officers patroling the streets of my hometown of Hexham; those officers are as flattered by their clotthes, at what's inside the clothing, warrants: many of them would look hot in a space suit.
Maybe women need this spelling out to them more explicitly: a bum either IS big or ISN'T big. The clothes do not make it LOOK big. A high waistline is no more unflattering than the canister of pepper spray, the walkie-talkie, the torch, the pouches, or the nightstick (although I'm sure there are men, enough, that find that kind of thing a turn on, too).
Skirts?
What's wrong with putting them back into skirts?
And the men too.
Lets face it - drunk idiots on a Friday night are going to think twice about taking a swing at a copper who's hard enough to wear a skirt about town :)
May I be the first to say
Anything you say will be taken down.
Yeah, right!
The men's trousers don't exactly look like they just came out of Milan either, daaaahling. I'm sure some poor Bobette on the mean streets, just about to take on a violent drunk, is going to stop and ask "Does the high waistband make my arse look fat in these?" - not! This sounds like more "equality" griping from those furthest from the coalface. IIRC, policewomen still have the option of skirts if they are worried about looking feminine, you can always argue with the Scots whether they make suitable fighting apparel. I'm sure there are other areas of the Police budget where money could be better spent rather than "fashionable" trousers.
Re: Just out of curiosity
It's pure instinct in most cases, Jason.
Daniel - you have much to learn about the alchemy of dressing. Any woman can reduce or increase the apparent size of her arse by several percent according to what she wears. It's all about creating optical illusions.
Sorry, I'll get out of the way so the rest of you can continue fantasising about women and trousers and skirts and legs and bums and things and post it out loud on the internet. As you were.
oh, and
If you think female police officers should wear skirts you are ridiculous and should forfeit your entire brain.
Change Supplier!
I know of a few suppliers who could provide women's police uniforms that are MUCH more feminine.... with the added benefit that I wouldn't object to being cuffed by an attractive WPC wearing one!
<-the long mucky one with the "specialist" mail order catalogue, ta....!
Bloody women!
Bournemouth constable Alis Pugh said: “Most of the female officers have gone for the men’s trousers because they are just more comfortable but they are really high-waisted and unflattering. I know it’s not a fashion parade, but it would be nice to be comfortable.”
Well....... are blokes pants more comfortable or not?
Paris because life is just one big fashion parade!
I knew...
...that Ms Bee would be making an appearance in these comments. It's articles like this that need the moderating (btw, still none-too-happy with your premature foreshortening of my erotic literature!)
Anyway, it's all fantasy - it's like saying all policemen are hunks. I went on a night out with my mate and her police colleagues and was severely disappointed - there was only one I'd even consider (after several sambuccas another did enter the field, but...)
Re: I knew...
>>I went on a night out with my mate and her police colleagues and was severely disappointed - there was only one I'd even consider (after several sambuccas another did enter the field, but...)
Imagine the expression on my face right now.
I have to put up with the schoolboy thigh-rubbing and other borderline dubiousness but I draw the line at homemade porn in the threads, you chancer.
@ Sarah Bee
"If you think female police officers should wear skirts you are ridiculous and should forfeit your entire brain."
What makes you think these commentards (obviously not including myself here) have anything to forfeit?
@sarah bee
I think female police officers should wear skirts and here is my entire brain.
they'll be wanting the right to vote next
women, we let them out of the kitchen every now and again, hell, some of them even drive, and they're still not happy
Brain Forfeiture?
"If you think female police officers should wear skirts you are ridiculous and should forfeit your entire brain."
It's Friday, I left it at home, sorry....
Problems with Skirts
My understanding is that the problem with skirts is that there have been nasty injuries caused by a fire, the funnel effect of a skirt and nylon underwear.
It's just PC gone mad..
"BAWP's Liz Owsley explained: “Women police officers have constantly brought up the fact they do not have a proper uniform. If you are going out there, protecting the public and being in confrontational circumstances, you need to feel professional and confident."
"FART's* Johnathon McDangler explained: "Women police officers, well, they're a laugh really, eh?"
* Females Are Rotten Thief-takers
Some Demonstrable Facts Please
This article would be much better if it had a gallery of pictures of policewomen in the various uniform options available to them. Ideally, it would include policewomen from various countries so that we could gain an international perspective on this so-called problem.
'Size 12'
Trouble is, a size 12 varies from shop to shop. At least with blokes trousers the size is in something measurable and fixed in good old fashioned inches.
If women's clothes were sold by a measurement rather than an arbitrary size number, there would be a load of women cutting the tags out their clothes.
Police may not be at fault
Having been out buying technical equipment with the g/f we noticed a big difference between men's and women's offerings. The men's would always have enough pockets/loops/whatever. The women's stuff was always "cut for style" and that meant not enough pockets/armour or anything to be of much use. i.e. not fit for purpose.
Buying a suit/dress - yeah, you'd want to look good. When buying technical equipment, looking good is secondary to it saving your life. "Oh, we don't fit armour to the women's trousers as it makes their hips look big." WTF? On my walking trousers I have hee-ooj cargo pockets etc, from the same company and in the same style, she gets pockets barely big enough for a hanky.
Perhaps plod could have been a bit more forceful in their procurement, but they were probably taking advice from the "experts" (clothing makers) and as the g/f and I found out; they're a bunch of numpties. How hard is it so think "Looking good but seriously injured...versus...looking a bit lumpy but dry, comfortable and safe....hmmm...."
Best thing for a female officer to do would be to get male trousers a size or so too big and have a tailor alter. It's stupid, I agree, but at least they'd fit!
Sorry, post verging on sense
Is it wrong of me to suggest that our WPC's stop worrying if they look ok on duty and maybe get on with some policing? As important as looking good at work may be, possibly our police constables could be concentrating on apprehending criminals and reducing crime?
Totally ready for being torn apart over this one.
@Jim Coleman
You should come along to the next Mason's meeting then!
uniforms
The uniforms should be functional. Yes, they should look professional, but allowing a more flattering cut (which is what I'm guessing the fuss is about) is counter-productive. The uniform is used to present a consistent image. Seriously... if a female cop shows up with cleavage and tries to corral a bunch of drunk guys, the tone is going to be different than if she looked the same as all the other cops. I'm also betting that the back-stabbing women seem to prefer when talking about each other would be just as bad as what I get to see where I work. Then there is the expectation of whether something more curvatious has to be worn to be promoted or not. Just too much stupidity so some woman can feel more attractive in a uniform.
I really don't want to see the cops where I live wearing 'baby doll' shirts and hip-hugger bell bottoms. Just not practical. I want a cop that looks like any other cop and is going to consistently be fair. Why do would I want to deal with a cop that's more concerned with the way she looks. We have enough of a problem with female clerks more concerned with their hair and nails than dealing with the public at our court houses (cell phones seem to be a universal problem). I wouldn't want to deal with that if I were pulled over.
Waist and inseam are just that, a standardized way to measure what one's size is. Women's sizes require some archaic knowledge and secret code to decipher. I'm really curious as to why this came about. Who was the first person to use one number for a piece of clothing that could be used to fit any body type.
Re: uniforms
Could everyone read that again, carefully, and then decide what I deserve in the way of flowers and shoes and chocolates and bubblebath and fluffy cuddly bunnies for putting up with this crap?
@Karim
It isn't a case of looks. The issue trousers really are awful, putting the waistband around you waist puts the seat somewhere below the knees, and it isn't possible to run apprehend criminals if you keep tripping over your trousers. Moving the waistband higher is the best option but is really uncomfortable under a stab vest.
You'll note that Thames Valley, now with a female chief constable, is moving to more sensible clothing for all officers.
Skirting around the issue
Chocolates? Flowers? Shoes?
The truth: it's only stereotyping when men perpetrate. Inpenetrable, immovable; resolutely true. only the young IT crowd (would) bother to rail against it. Wisened and wiser, the rest of maledom accept such truths at face value, then cladestinely carry on as before (when a woman says something, and there is no man around to hear it, does that make him still wrong?).
Now if you'll excuse me -- I'll be down the pub downing pints of heavy, discussing cars and power tools whilst leering at the bar maid, in a state of drunkenly cacooned catharthis.
Re: uniforms
Yeah, yeah, let's get back to skirts.
If Milla Jovovich can kick ass in a skirt why can't the ladies in blue? Poor training?
RE: uniforms
I think it is a valid point that WPCs should be fighting crime rather than worrying about fashion. I mean, yes, they should be in a standard uniform that is comfortable and useful for their day-to-day needs but it should not be some sort of "sexy" image. Image is useful and matters a lot when dealing with people, which is why most of the readers here are in Metallica t-shirts with long, lank hair, otherwise their crudentials as UNIX admins would be questioned...
On a related note, standardisation is a very important part of the uniform - know a guy who had a beard whilst on the force and that made him a target in the line of riot cops during the fun times to be had in the early 80s!
AC as I'd rather not risk the wrath of a flower-swinging, shoe-clomping, chocolate-dribbling, bubbly Bee with her ravaging pack of man-devouring, fanged bunnies...
@Sarah Bee
The AC is right about one thing - women's sizes are stupid. Why can't you just buy a pair of trousers/skirt with waist X and length Y? Or a blouse with chest X and collar Y? The stupid size numbers are creeping into men's clothes as well. Am I a 42 or a 44? I dunno. Depends on the country. and is just bloody stupid. I know my waist/collar/inseam etc and they won't change unless I do. Much easier.
As to the rest of the misogynistic balls...I think he got the reaction he wanted.
@Sarah Bee
Re: chocolate bubblebaths
I'm sure you deserve the best, but take it up with Lester's expense account for his byline "Women coppers eager to drop trousers".
El Reg knows we're only going to go down from there.
Re: Skirting around the issue
Yeah, yeah, well done, you're the arbiter of ultimate PC-blasting he's-saying-what-we're-all-thinking truth. I can't even be bothered to argue any more.
US
They ought to do like female officers in the States: cover their waistline with an assortment of weapons. Once you have your belt on with your teargas, club, taser, pistol, ammunition, and handcuffs, it doesn't much matter what your pants look like.
here here...
... I know lots of female officers who just do not get on with womens trousers. One friend tried some on and it made her look like she was wearing trousers far too big for her. In the end she got some mens trousers and the tayloress took some length out of them.
What is more worrying is our force (oh it's my part time job by the way) has done away with male and female stabbies. Now they all get unisex ones which are too short for the blokes and don't give enough room for the women. I'm worried I might end up with one when I reach the use by dates on the plates in my one.
Paris doesn't want saggy pants...
Front-pleated pants that look like big dicks
(oops, is that too lewd a title? hope not)
The Moderatrix wrote: "Any woman can reduce or increase the apparent size of her arse by several percent according to what she wears. It's all about creating optical illusions."
Sometimes the optical illusions built-into some men's clothing, are not so good for women. For a little while I had to wear a company uniform which had allegedly-unisex (men's, basically) pants that had heavily-starched stick-out pleats and extra fabric in the *front* which bulged out (nothing there but air), making it look like I was walking around all day with a big huge dick.
Sideways view in a window or mirror was like, OMG WTF, <pat pat> smooth down the fabric, take a few steps, stupid pleats pop up the fabric again. Mind you my height/weight ratio is fine - this was a designed-in "fabric malfunction" ;)
I got tired of it - wasn't quite the image I wanted to project to my customers and the public, so I snuck in my own un-pleated look-alike pants (same except for no pleats) to wear for work. It was a fairly loose-run company, no formal inspections or anything, so I was able to get away with it (the bosses didn't notice, and I didn't tell them) - problem solved. It would not have done any good to complain or demand special clothing, so I didn't bother, instead just solved the problem on my own.
Ordinarily men's casual clothes like jeans, shirts, t-shirts, etc., are fine, but it's not so good (at least for women) when they start adding stupid stuff like stick-out pleats that make it look like you've got a giant unit in front down there.
For the record, in case any of you men readers are wondering: my arse size is just fine thank you very much :)
I am all for the female coppers
Skirts or Trousers, they should be encouraged and support to wear what ever helps them do their job.
I have been the victim of no less than 4 armed holdup's while working in various off licenses.
The first one was the most upsetting, as the scum came in, and started throwing wine bottles at my head. (I was there alone) They raided the cash and ciggies and fled, leaving me shaken, covered in merlot, and leaking claret.
The cops were speedy and great, and I have to say, nothing helps a tramatised victim like a hug from a woman.
No, I am not being a sexist schoolboy, admittedly she was cute, but she was nice enough to offer a hug, to a poor guy who has just been bashed and tramatised.
More lady cops! Stop being cheap Mr Brown, and give them what they need, prehaps with all the money your getting back with those repaid "accidiental expenses"
@ Ms Bee - Would a large bottle of JD 20yr old help ?
I thought the article would be a Playmobil scene...
...where women cops giving naughty men spankings after said men drop their trowsers :)
Shame, shame, *bad* Reg and Mr. Haines <spank! spank!> for pandering to page-views like that :)
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