The home secretary Jacqui Smith yesterday faced an indignant Tory MP, who described her decision to ban US shock-jock Michael Savage from darkening the UK's shores as 'ludicrous'. Smith recently included Savage on a "name-and-shame" list of 16 undesirables not welcome in this Sceptr'd Isle, which also included a Russian skinhead …
Is she serious?
"I refuse to extend that privilege to individuals who abuse our standards and values to undermine our way of life."
It is a shame we can't extend that approach to the greedy trough-hoggers that supposedly run this country. Its breathtaking hyprocrisy such as this that will push voters away from mainsteam politics and into the hands of extremists.
As her bosses we really should consider firing her arse..
That would be worth seeing.
***"Hillary Clinton turning up in Westminster and slapping Wacky Jacqui"***
***"with a big writ"***
No White Wizards? Gandalf will be pretty pissed if he wants to return to Middle Earth via Gatwick!
Why not leave Mr Savage to the Americans and deal with the people here
Come on, there are plenty of people saying abjectionable things about MP's and their expenses. Why not lock them up for 42 days without charges? All the bad publicity about the banks could have been avoided by jailing anyone who talked about them. Where was president Alvaro Colom when we needed him.
A couple thoughts
First, Britain, thank you for reminding me that US politicians don't have the First World's monopoly on stupidity and time-wasting.
Second, if she's going to ban people for being offensive and hateful, why not go after Jeremy Hardy? He's funny, but has an automatic hatred for anyone even vaguely middle class.
...have a nice day wouldn't be on the sign.
Can we also do the world a favour and ban her from LEAVING the country? The world doesn't deserve the export of our biggest dipshits.
It's like watching a fight between a murderer and a rapist. Ultimately you hope that neither will win and that they'll just destroy each other.
(Not that I'm calling either of them a rapist, you understand. Or a murderer. Almost certainly neither)
Paris, because of some link between Wacky-Jacqui's hubby and a few trifling expenses for pr0n...
Wacki Jackie we all HATE YOU
Wacki Jackie = 33% of the reason Labour will have the lowest amount of seats in their history after the next general election.
Good for her
We don't want queer-bashers in this country, thank you very much.
If Savage doesn't like that, he is welcome to go and complain to his imaginary sky-fairy.
John Gummer is clearly more of a linguist that I'd thought ... from my experience most of the notices at immigration now are in polish and I, for one, don't know what please or thankyou in polish is!
...to save us from the wacky one.
It all started with Snoop Dogg
Surely the the vast majority of the Rap/Hip/Hop industry should be tarred with the same brush if her reasoning is warranted, which it isn't....
re sign here
I am not going to click on a like with "jsmithporn" anywhere in it the mentle image alone if almost enought to make me sick!
Hang on a minute ...
Coming to the UK is a "privilege"? Are you serious? I demand the Reg hacks double-check this quote, because I can't believe that anyone feels that way about this flea-bitten shitbag corner of the North Sea.
She is an insult to humanity! Brainless, and something which I personally consider a verbal terrorist!!!
Wouldn mind sending her to GitMo
``I refuse to extend that privilege to individuals who abuse our standards and values to undermine our way of life.''
I'm sorry but since when did her wackiness have a fucking clue about the values and standards of the british people? Her values and standards are more in line with those of nazi germany (yes, that's right I've invoked Godwin. Don't like it? tough)
And as for our `way of life', well ms wacky, most of us don't have the luxury of sponging 10 to 100's of thousands of pounds off the taxpayer or get to claim porn on our expenses. Hell most of us don't get expenses. So I don't know about _your_ way of life but don't you fucking dare compare it to ours.
"Gandalf will be pretty pissed if he wants to return to Middle Earth via Gatwick!"
Yeah, but it'll be fine as long as he can convince airport security to not part an old man with his walking stick...
In all seriousness, Mr. Savage is one of the more utterly repugnant people I have had the pleasure of witnessing, but Jacqui's policy is, indeed, ludicrous.
Plus, as I mentioned in another post about this issue, anything making it more difficult to get Savage the hell out of the United States is a negative in my book.
Hardy's British so exempt from a ban on going home.
He's also got an intellect, which the American gob-shite hasn't.
(and yes, I've heard transmissions from both)
Yeah but no....
I agree with WJ - which is probably the first and last time - but it's ashame the UK can't maintain the same moral standards when the Saudi royal family visit....
p!ss off tory boy
I hate Jacqui Smith with a passion ( http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/jsmithporn/ please sign it, please, I beg you) but this guy is a gay bashing jerk and is on of a very long list of people who we should be politely declining permission to enter this country.
I don't see why we should bend over and take a shafting just because this guy is a yank and has Hillary (an otherwise quite reasonable woman for an american) to do his dirty work for him; he's a dick and a bigot and the borders around this country are our borders and we can pick and choose who we allow in.
Do you really think any other country would be listening to criticism about this sort of decision or even bothering to defend it? The US quietly bans people every day and they make it very clear that people entering the country can be excluded with or without reason and they effectively have no rights at the border, I wish we had a similar arrangement so that we could exclude:
All preachers of hate
Any supporters of any form of violence to achieve political aims
George W Bush
Anyone currently camped in Sangatte
Anyone even remotely associated with Westboro Baptist Church
Anyone with an israeli passport (it's not a real country so they don't have real passports).
Don't infringe their freedom of speech or their rights to do what they like elsewhere, just turn them away at the door because we don't want it here.
A Very Dangerous Principle
@A J Styles - and what happens when a homophobic Home Secretary of the future decides that we need "protecting" from pro-gay speech? (Have you forgotten Clause 28?) The principle that the government should decide what is "acceptable speech" is extraordinarily dangerous. In the long run no free society can sustain itself where free speech has been replaced acceptable-to-the-government-of-the-day speech.
As smashy and nicey would have said.
PS Jackie can you give me £50 as there are a few films on Channel X worth watching
That's one of Whacky J's henchmen rifling your pockets to make sure you have nothing to hide
Coming to the UK is a privilege.
Since when? Now I understand this woman - she clearly doesn't in the same UK as me.
is she 'defending' this decision - it's self-evident that it's a correct decision (albeit possibly the only correct one she's made)?
A few musings on Whacki's impossible position.
Firstly, don't blame Whacki Jacqui. Well, not totally, anyway. This has all rolled down from that twit Brooooon, with his desperate attempts to look multicultural, a safe pair of hands for security, a friend to the Muslim world (also known as "don't alienate the Muslim vote in all those Labour homelands"), and also in his desperation to scrape some of Obambi's hype onto himself. This typically impossibly conflicting political dogma leaves no-one happy - Whacki just looks stupid doing her master's bidding. As soon as it became clear there were actually some fanatical Muslims even Labour wouldn't let into the country, there was an unseemly scramble to find some non-Muslim unwanteds to balance it out. Heavens to Betsy - we wouldn't want anyone to think that terrorism stuff was all a problem with Islam!
Whilst none of the names on the list evoke any sympathy, none of the non-Muslim names have ever been linked with terror in the UK, even the loathsome KKK, whereas the Muslim ones most definately have. Savage was completly unknown by the majority of the UK populance before the list was released, which suggests his name came from elsewhere. The inclusion of Savage can't be a coincidence - he's also the target of the Democrats in the States. I find it funny that Mrs Clinton is now being asked to defend Savage when it is undoubtedly her and Obambi that suggested his name to Broooon in the first place, and Brooon's idiotic eagerness to please Obambi that led to Savage being accepted onto the list.
It's horrific but I find myself missing Tony Blair - whilst a career liar, at least he wasn't such a complete incompetant!
why do people not get....
... that it is NOT A RIGHT to come to any country you want, its a privilage, if the country doesn't want you , they don't have to let you in.
I love how eveyrone goes on saying that jackie shouldn't be able to say tht she doesn't want person x in the country. Then goes on about freedom of speech, given the fact that they just said that jackie shouldn't have freedom of speech.
If you don't like it here, change it, or sod off somewhere else and leave us be.
'Reports that the Home Office is rolling out some new signage reading "Welcome to Britain: No jeans, no trainers, no Russkie skinheads, no fascists, no suicide bombers, no white wizards and no shock-jocks. Have a nice day" are unconfirmed.'
How about just a simple "Abandon hope all ye who enter here"
"extend that privilege to individuals who abuse our standards and values"
Standards and values? You mean like the right to protest freely? The right to decide what you read or view? The right to not be ripped off by our elected representatives...?
@ White Wizards?
Fly you fools!
The truth at last then...
"I refuse to extend that privilege to individuals who abuse our standards and values to undermine our way of life.''
Since her standards and way of life seem to involve utter contempt for these who pay her wages and her values appear to manifest themselves in the total rejection of any dissenting opinion, then I suspect that I would consider Mr Savage (not that I care for him much either) to be a fair swap.
It appears that the famous "trickle down" theory does not, in fact, apply to economics and the distribution of wealth, but it certainly seems to apply to public servants taking their cue from their masters as to how to treat those they allegedly serve.
Honestly, this gang of idiots with their over-developed sense of entitlement makes me sick.
Strangely I have no view on this particular case... couldn't possible comment etc. etc. etc.
However... the general issue is with (as in most cases) the appearance or arbitrariness, inconsistency, etc. etc. etc. (fave word today)
Oh... I've just found a view. Since Mr Savage isn't actually a(n alleged) terrorist and might merely attempt to warp our tiny little minds, isn't likely to go into hiding or want to stay here, why not let him in and boot him out the moment he breaks the law (inciting racial hatred or whatever etc. etc. etc. ) if actually does. The balance is wrong - again. It's not as though closing the border to him prevents him being heard here, does it?
Oh - and @AC re WJ's "freedom of speech": I don't mind what she says, I mind what she does and how she does it. If she were reduced to being a crock jock 'twould be a great improvement.
target is either too large or too small
Sad part is, the hateful little SOB couldn't BUY better advertising than this!
Unfortunately, we'll never know why she singled this guy out, and didn't include all his cohorts. People like Rush Limbaugh, Dick Cheney, Pat Robertson, and the hundreds of other Americans who make Savage's brand of hatred look tame.
While they're at it maybe they could repaint the wall in East Midlands Airport which welcomes people in a French/Spanish hybrid. All it would take is to correct it to accurate Spanish is to paint out an accent.
IIRC John Gummer, or John Selwyn Gummer before the re-brand is the politician who at the height of worry about CJD and dodgy meat publicly fed a beefburger to his four year old daughter. Heathrow may be impolite but at least they don't play petty politics with their own daughter's life.
@Mickey Mouse: "Now I understand this woman - she clearly doesn't in the same UK as me."
Of course not. You and I live in a UK where we work 35-40 hours (on average) per week with the odd bit of overtime for a reasonable wage. A fair chunk of which is then taken away in taxes, fuel bills, mortgage, food, transport, clothes, furniture and a myriad of other expenses*. Assuming that we have access to interweb either at work or at home then there are many people much less well off than us in the country.
Jacquie, along with other MPs live in a UK where she gets paid 2.5-3 times the national average** wage for maybe 20 hours a week, and gets pretty much all her bills, including mortgage, food, transport, fuel, furniture, clothes, porn etc. paid for her. Arguably so much so that she can also make a healthy profit*** (JS: "I don't know why people are whining about the recession, eating food is making me £200 profit per month alone.....")
*To us an expense is something that costs us money, to politicians it is something that feathers their nests. Interesting semantic difference there I find.
***Look at the numbers of MPs just writing cheques to pay back large amounts of cash, £13k, £20k, even £41k. You cannot have that kind of cash spare and need to steal your porn money from me. I would have to sell my house / house, kidney and car / house, kidney, car, kids, neighbours & soul respectively to obtain those amounts of cash.
"it is NOT A RIGHT to come to any country you want"
Of course it isn't. You're the one who doesn't get it.
Yes, countries have a right to refuse entry to anyone they want according to any criteria they want. (For example, Albania used to refuse entry to men with beards.)
However, a lot of people think that the UK should not be refusing entry to people according to the whims of a lunatic witch. Moreover, putting Savage on a list of banned people serves no useful purpose. All it does is give him free publicity and make the UK look stupid. (Well, arguably it is perhaps useful to make the UK look stupid ...)
...give up with this woman.
I can't let her raise my blood pressure anymore, forward to apathy!
I want to make some thing clear
Us yanks don't Care. We don't give a shit . I've seen a more about this here in the Reg than I have in the news media. Even fox news have given up on this story.
Disclaimer. I only watch fox news cause some times you need to know what these nutters are trying to push through.
NuLabour inter-ferin with our freedom of speach again, innit. This ain't gonna bring Maddie home, is it? If U lot all like Ammerica so much WHY DON@T YOU GO LIVE THERE??
Show me proof that Obama was involved. Ps your opinion does not count for much since you clearly hate Obama .
If politics were conducted via IRC
*** Found your hostname
Welcome to the WeWishItWasOnlyIRC IRC Network
<Krudd> Anyone in here from Aus?
<GBr0wn> I put on my robe and wizard hat
ChanServ gives voice to JacquiJacquiBoBacqui
ChanServ gives voice to SavageMan6969
<JacquiJacquiSoWacqui> L@@K @ ME EVERYONE!!! I AM AN ATTENTION WHORE!!!!
<SavageMan6969> PIKER! WATCH ME AS I SHOW YOU HOW IT'S DONE!!!!!!
Logic_and_Reasonbot has kicked JacquiJacquiSoWacqui from #comicrelief (User has been b& (CRUISE CONTROL))
Logic_and_Reasonbot has kicked SavageMan6969 from #comicrelief (User has been b& (CRUISE CONTROL))
Krudd has quit (where is everybody?)
How about we let him in, so long as they take Jacqui and never let her return (and take J.Ross with her, so long as exports of his inevitable US brand of drivel is not allowed to reach our shores).
Cut the crap
Expenses have nothing to do with any of this. As much as i dislike this woman i have to aplaud her on this, at least shes earning those expenses with this decision. And criticism from some deadwood, far right old tories hardly matters.
And as for the arguement of avoiding giving aditional publicity to this little jewish extremist matters little either when has no outlet here.
He should be allowed in.
He's an extremely unpleasant person with some repugnant views.
Is that relevant? No
Is it the place of the government to be legislating morality or opinion? A resounding no.
This REALLY is this simple.
It is the very exposure to the unpleasant opinions, the "offensive" material, that teaches people to judge critically, and look at the facts. It teaches people to ask questions, it teaches independant thought. Ultimately it forces them to form their own opinions. A useful and essential skill.
I'll go as far as to say that often it has been the outspoken extremists with unpalatable arguments, polarizing public opinion in the opposite direction, who prompt and pave the way for a more reasonable debate to take place.
Take away our right to decide, and remove all challenging/offensive/obscene arguments and you'll end up with a stupid, malleable population, who rely on authority figures to tell them what to think.
Basically, you end up with gullible pawns. Can anybody here deny this process is well under way?
"Jacquie, along with other MPs live in a UK where she gets paid 2.5-3 times the national average** wage for maybe 20 hours a week [...]"
20 hours a week? You have to be shitting me... yes, in fact that's exactly what you're doing. Most normal MPs who aren't ministers bust a gut dealing with queries and complaints from fuckwits such as you - she's the Home Secretary and like all members of the Cabinet absolutely busts a gut when it comes to putting in the hours.
You might not like what she's doing - you might not like what any of the MPs are doing - but fuck right off with your arsehole analysis about the number of hours they work!
Ok we will take Jacqui and up to 4 other politicians you don't want . Now to be fair you must take rush Limbaugh and allow fox news to relocate in London ./
The expression you are looking for is: a wasp landing on a stinging nettle. Somebody is going to get stung and you don't care who.
Look at the parliament channel any time, the place is empty. And they get something like 30 weeks of recess a year.
When I first saw your post I thought you were going to harangue me on the basis that 20 hours is an over estimation...
So, which party are you an MP for?
@ TIm J
"You might not like what she's doing - you might not like what any of the MPs are doing - but fuck right off with your arsehole analysis about the number of hours they work!"
It's not unreasonable to assume she only works 20 hours - if she worked as long and as hard as you claim, then she'd have done something right by now even if it was only accidental.
As for busting a gut to deal with our queries, the last time I wrote to my (Conservative) MP and specifically asked for HIS stance on an issue, he forwarded my letter to Ruth fucking Kelly!
It's very easy to say "most MPs aren't that bad" but just try and find one of these hard working MP.
Privilege?! ... when was it a privilege?, well maybe for a few! (like her!)
"Coming to the UK is a privilege"
Talk about over inflated view!. She is so full of her self importance. She is the gatekeeper to the great privilege of coming to the UK. Coming to the UK is becoming a sentence not a privilege. Its becoming a trail of endurance to suffer the endless abuses of our way of life, directly because of that arrogant close minded bitch and her rats nest of greedy control freak friends.
And as for this, "I refuse to extend that privilege to individuals who abuse our standards and values to undermine our way of life."
She more than anyone else in the UK not just now, but in living memory, she has done more to abuse our standards and values to undermine our way of life! ... and she isn't even close to finished yet!
As there is no country in the world who has her twisted values and deeply self righteous contemptuous desire to undermine everyones way of life, then maybe we could bundle her into a rocket and fire her at the moon! ... Its the only way we will get rid of her and finally free ourselves from her. After all, we all know our "representatives" in government won't call an election, even though they all know we all want an election. So much for being our representatives. Go the lot of you. Just go!. We have had enough. Every time she opens her mouth my heart sinks and my anger reaches boiling point.
We need a new Oliver Cromwell to throw them all out of their jobs. Go, please just go, the lot of you MPs.
She's an idiot
After all, she is in charge of the police - police who used severe violence on the G20 protestors.
Maybe Dear Leader Jacqui needs to abolish herself and her thuggish minions from the UK too. Now *that* would be justice indeed.
I can see the headlines now:
DEAR LEADER VISITS OSLO, REFUSED RE-ENTRY AT HEATHROW
That woman makes me sick, and that's at a distance of several thousand miles.