godwins law

nuff said

You're missing the point.

He's right wing in political bias? Clearly guilty then!

He's [Black/White]? Clearly guilty then!

He's [Atheist/Fundamentalist]? Clearly guilty then!

He's [Gay/into BDSM]? Clearly guilty then!

Opinion SHOULD NOT weight in a court of law, and it should hold even less weight in reporting news. Give us facts and news, not opinion and personal bias.

I am not a right-wing sympathiser; far from it, but I will defend the rights of each and everyone to choose what they believe.

"I may not agree with your point of view, but I will fight to defend your right to hold it."

Top quality

You must be doing something right judging from the foaming collection of retards you stirred up.

Keep up the good work.

Wow . . .

I love the "Gates and Balmer who have intentionally caused incalculable misery" guy. Not a fraction of the real misery most neo-Nazis would cause. I'm sure, also, that Carl "Unterfuhrer" Lundstorm gives the kind of money to charity that the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation has. He sounds like quite the humanitarian, after all. Oh, wait, making sure people can download material and fight DRM is actually much more important than addressing disease, poverty in places around the world. At least it is if you don't have to worry about disease and poverty.

Some TPB users vote labour.

I would say most of the people that use TPB are not trying to bring down any company, simply are calling for an utilising the Libertarian, Freedom of Information angle which is totally opposite to the facist/socialist way.... but these lefties in the BNP and their foreign counterparts also have few morals so will give freedom a chance if it means one up on their enemy.

Libertarians also don't care what people do in their other time so have no problems in using the site.

So yes, it's interesting to note what he does but have to be careful of not coming across as saying "Copyright theft funds Nazis" in the way that we get adverts on telly and our rental DVDs bullying us all the time.

Logic lessons from Drew

So Lundstrom is a neo-nazi. Neo-nazism sucks. He's associated with the Pirate Bay, so the Pirate Party must be neo-nazi and also suck.

Brilliant reasoning, Drew. You have made a perfect case of why the Pirate Bay deserved the veredict. Damn, the MAFIAA should have hired you as their lawyer.

Down with the neo-nazi Pirate Bay! ... Not.

Does this mean I have to stop drinking Fanta Lemon

Does this mean I have to stop drinking Fanta Lemon because its a Nazi drink.

What about my VW car which used jewish slave labour

Or Siemens which also benefited from free labour during the second world war.

Or just about every other successful Greman company?

Just a thought

Where is the IT Angle here...... Of course Siemens profeteering from Jewish Slave labour

Poor Voltaire

Swann, what Voltaire said was more like:

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

Lesser know is his next sentence:

"But if you're going to *pay* for 100 people to infiltrate this great country's parliament, forcing your agenda through using money rather than words, I shall smear you in the media."

And fair play to him.

Irrelevant to the case

Honestly, the fact that anyone is a Neo-Nazi has no bearing on this case. I did feel slightly sick reading that, especially after having read some of the things neo-Nazis in Germany have been up to lately.

That doesn't mean that if Lundstrom committed some act of terrorism that he should get off scott-free. But he should be punished in court on those terms, not have his co-workers who are along for the ride punished for his youthful (or not so youthful) indiscretions.

I feel that groups such as neo-Nazis and the BNP are abhorrent; however, until they do something breaking a law, they should still have freedom.

I support TPB because if I didn't I would have to pay a large sum for popular music that has more than made back the initial investment, plus a lot. I really think an album by The Beatles should really be cheaper than the new thing to come out on the charts, just because The Beatles have made umpteen billions of pounds (for the record companies, at least, merely millions for themselves).

oh shit yeah...

now let's see the whole thing in playmobile

I love me, who do you love?

"So Nazi are cool? noted - I replied. I wondered if there was a synergy here. Leather - Nazis - good for business, no?"

Graham hit the nail on the head and you tried a non too elegant swerve by your leather / Nazi association, and the suggestion of his remarks somehow suggested that Nazis were cool.

Your articles do contain stand up facts, but too often degenerate into opinion, rather than genuine commentary.

Jake

You can't ignore who you are doing business with.

Lundstrom is a businessman. He presumably got into business with the Pirates because he saw a way to make money. He uses the money he makes from his businesses to fund neo-nazi activities. So regardless of your own political views, if you used TPB, you gave money to Lundstrom who used it for his own extremist right-wing ends. If you did that unaware of the association with Lundstrom, then thank the Reg for warning you; if you did it knowingly, then you are complicit.

So wait...

Is he REALLY a neo-nazi, or just a bit farther to the right than you? Because over here, liberals like to call anyone who believes in things like self-sufficiency, or not allowing every terrorist that wants to immigrate to do so a nazi. I've been called a "hitler youth" before myself (fairly absurd, in my gun safe I've got both the Mauser my granddad brought home after kicking nazi ass in WW2, and a Mosin-Nagant that was built early enough to probably have sniped a ton of the bastards at Stalingrad). If he actually legitimately is a swastika-carrying nazi, while absurd, and cause for ridicule, he still does have his free speech, just like we have the freedom to make fun of him.

Re: Wow . . .

Microsoft has done some good, but it has also caused misery. Just ask any web developer who has to code a website for the differences between IE 6, 7, and 8. That time and energy could be put to better use.

One reason Gates is giving away so much money to fight disease, particularly in Africa, is simply to make more money. When disease is minimized, the economy can get better. When that happens, people have money to spend on things they didn't want or need before, such as a shiny new computer running Windows.

Between Gates and Lundstorm, I would say that the latter is the greater humanitarian, because his involvement in TPB helped people communicate with less censorship, something which is on the rise online, and which significantly impedes the pace of human evolution. I note that this group of "people" likely involves all races, not just Whites, which makes Lundstrom's involvement here blind to color, and thus even more remarkable.

Finally, I'd like to point out something which many computer-savvy readers here should know. Digital copyright is a sham. A computer file is just a number, which can be interpreted in more than one way. You cannot copyright a number, at least not in the United States.

My British cat, Mr. Fluffer Wickbidget, III, is playing with his new toy: a bag of bits. Let's see how long before he chews his way through, and I yell: "There be bits on the floor, matey! Arrr."

@Andrew Orlowski

Thank you for posting some of my comments to you, although I note that you didn't quote the bit where I pointed out that your "So Nazi [sic] are cool?" comment was a Straw Man.

I also added a PS saying "would you object if Max Mosley was a customer of mine...?" but you never replied to that...

@AC 13:06

Thank you for correcting the Voltaire quotation; I knew I'd got it slightly wrong, but the point still stands.

I expect reactionary, poltically aligned commentary from the tabloids, but I expect better of El Reg!

Thank you for the clarification.

I love me long time

"Thank you for posting some of my comments to you, although I note that you didn't quote the bit where I pointed out that your "So Nazi [sic] are cool?" comment was a Straw Man.

I also added a PS saying "would you object if Max Mosley was a customer of mine...?" but you never replied to that..."

Well my search function must be wonky in Firefox. I searched for Max and Mosley and neither struck gold in this piece, or the one on the 26th Feb. I used the mark one eyeball and that must be on the blink too (no pun intended).

What you did do is try to discredit the point he made by stating Graham worked for a leather goods company. What a merry and pertinent observation / comment.

The Nazi and cool reference was put in the before his comment ended, so if it wasn't targeted at him, or his point, this was a strange place to put it, completely without contextual reference

Andrew some people don't get it.

Just for what it may be worth Andrew is an editor and not primarily a Reg hack everything you see with his name on it is "commentary" and therefore probably not requiring yet more commentary. Some might question his depth of commitment to copyright law as he produces little requiring such protection but thats a value judgment.

LEAVE THE NAZIS ALLLLOOOOOOOONE!!!!

AAARGGHAHHAhAHAAAAhhAA!!!

Hmmm

I think a lot of you are missing the point. Andrew isn't smearing TPB or Lundstrom, he's having a pop at freetards. I don't think it's smear to simply point out that the guy is a Neo Nazi when freetards (especially the noisy opinionated banner-waving element) - a group I'd consider leftist to say the very least - don't seem to want to know who's paying as long as they continue to get their free shit.

It's not a question of who you're giving your money to (as in corporate boycotts) but who you're taking it from, no questions asked.

Meanwhile casual users have been left in a situation where they have a choice between either paying for a crocked copy of their digital media because music/video/games/book publishers have totally failed to deal with the new technology, or turning to the likes of TPB where they can get the same stuff (plus some shitty malware "bonus tracks" if they're unlucky) in the space of a few clicks.

Both sides of the argument suck fat ones. All AO has consistently done is to point that fact out in his own inimitable, acerbic, shit-stirring style. Keep it up I say.

Request

I would like to see a frequency distribution curve of ratings for AO articles. I suspect it may look like a pair of well-separated breasts. On this occasion, btw, I'm over on the right (statistically, not politically).

Cheers Andrew

Seemed to me that the Pirate Bay case was cut and dried good vs evil, because the studios are evil, and who could be more loveable than someone fighting evil. Didn't think about it much, better things to do, and I'm sure I wasn't alone in this. So thanks for letting me know that there's more to it, should've said so at the time.

Shooting the messenger Orlowski. Again.

Is that all you do?

Ouch! Raw nerve alert!

Well done Reg!

It looks as if a raw nerve has been touched there and one that seems to ooze priors of some description?

Financial Loss of Hollywood Jews via Pirate Bay

The neo-Nazis believe that Hollywood is controlled by the Jews. The Pirate Bay is a leader in causing untold billions in losses every year for the music and film industries. Beyond the anti-Semitic rhetoric, beyond the genocidal fantasies they might harbor, wouldn't hitting a Jew in the wallet be a way for a vindictive neo-Nazi sympathizer like Carl Lundstrom to fulfill his lust for Jew hatred? Spending pennies to create great financial loss for those Jews in Hollywood would be a supreme pleasure to an anti-Semite.

I've read Lundstrom had three Italians from Latin America attacked because they weren't white enough. The fact that Lundstrom and The Pirate Bay do have a political component to them as another user here pointed out makes their associations totally relevant.

Ignorant fool...

"Freetards may look like a bunch of hippies from the outside but the root of their ideology looks is closer to Bukaninst anarchy - destroy everything in its current form and then do - um - something else (TBA)."

1. You mean Bakunin, not Bukanin.

2. He wrote extensively about what that 'something else' might be, though if you can't even spell his name right I'm probably on solid ground guessing you haven't actually read anything he wrote (or even the wikipedia article). He also didn't call for the destruction of 'everything', he called specifically for the abolition of inequality through the overthrow of the capitalist class.

3. This view has nothing to do with 'freetards', who are aiming to attack a very specific form of outdated property relation - ie. intellectual property. They're not, for example, calling for a violent insurrectionary movement to physically take control of the means of production.