BT has released new details of its fibre to the cabinet (FTTC) rollout, including a list of the first 29 exchanges to be upgraded to offer faster broadband in early 2010. Engineers will run fibre optic cables between the exchanges and street side cabinets, closer to homes and businesses. Downstream speeds will be improved to up …
What's wrong with Birmingham?
We have a giant BT tower, FFS!
We're not big enough eh?
BT's venture was rightly ridiculed on Slashdot, where I was again reminded how much better other parts of the world have it when it comes to net connections :(
We are connected to Belfast Balmoral, but we're right at the limit of the current line length restriction since we're out in the sticks.
I wonder if BT will be installing fibre to our little hamlet then, or is it just to those areas where there will be sufficent take-up?
I won't hold my breath...
They need to change their name to..
3 sites in Scotland, 1 each Wales And NI
oh aye, VERY British.
As for FTTC, fine, but if the copper between the cabinet and the socket has a multitude of joints in it...
A lame, half-arsed attempt, yet again.
Anyone know what they plan to do with the cabinet modems? I'm wondering will they be multi function ADSL / ADSL2 / VDSL2 so existing user equipment keeps going or if they will force a migration to VDSL2. Knowing BT they will probably be ADSL only, with VDSL2 upgrade in 2020 (dependent on lengthy offcom study of course).
I am not suprised and am feeling Significantly left out !!!
please give me at least 8mb bt !!!! 0.2 is not quite what i expected when i signed up for *up to 8mb, i expected at least 2mb
They really should concentrate on getting ppl with nothing first
How were the 29 exchanges selected ?
It would be interesting to know the selection criteria?
I am suspicious of possible political bias.
Be that as it may, I am also concerned that the fibre rollout will be so slow. We need nationwide fibre NOW, not 40% by 2012.
I guess it was too much to hope...
...for anything in Suffolk. Bah humbug, etc, etc. I still can't get over half meg ADSL :(
Widen the divide
Great - so those with decent connections get better ones, and those of us out in the sticks get left even further behind.
Very frustrating for those of us out here in 70dB attenuation land...
40% of great
(From another esteemed organ): Steve Robertson, chief executive of Openreach, the division of BT responsible for the delivery of the plans, said: "...................it is great to announce this initial set of locations."
Nah, mate. 'Great' would be to tell everyone when the majority of Britain will have access to fibre. Good would be when you tell us that half of Britain will have it. 40% is, at best, an okay start.
Do you think it's great when your wife, partner, significant other says tonight you'll be having 40% of some really hot, kinky bedroom exercise?
Wouldn't be anything to do with the fact that the BBC is having to move a lot of its staff up there is it?
Rolling out Fibre...
and they still haven't enabled ADSL 2 at my local exchange, or cable, or.. what's the point?
Office of the chairman
Big fucking surprise North Yorkshire wasn't given FUCKALL again. We live by the sea between Whitby and Scarborough and routinely get fuckall from anyone.
I wrote to the secretary of the chairman some months ago asking if our village could be one where they conduct trials for high speed broadband rollout and they didn't even have the manner to reply.
I bet they'd write to me if I didn't pay by twatting bill eh BT?
Paris, because everyone has had a go apart from my village which gets left out of everything..
@General A. Annoying
The numbers would appear to be roughly in line with population. Your knowledge of geography would appear to be a bit faulty as there are two Welsh exchanges on the list.
Scotland have 10.3% of the exchanges (8% of UK population)
Wales have 7% of the exchanges (5% of UK population)
NI 3% of the exchanges (3% UK population)
England 79% of exchanges (83% UK population)
So perhaps a little more attention to facts on your part and a bit less bleating about discrimination would be in order.
I live in Bury. Bring it on.
Means you can hit your bandwidth quotas extra fast, back to the pay as you go model!
+1 with Lionel
Got a poxy fluctuating speed between 2 and 3 Mb. Very tempted by Virgin, to be honest.
Pity they did not include Bromley! But it is a six unit exchange.
Mine's the brown dust jacket!
I'm closer to Taff's well than to the exchange I'm actually on - anyone know if you can get BT to change your exchange?
@ General A. Annoying
29 exchanges, 3 of them in Scotland.
Scotland's population <10% of the UK population, therefore the number of exchanges per-capita is better in Scotland than the rest of the UK.
Wales and NI can be agrieved if they want, but not sure how you can set <1/2 of an exchange up.
The exchange in Edinburgh that has been chosen is the one in an area not currently covered by Virgin Media, which makes sense - BT want to sell the whole media stuff through Home Hub, far more likely to get take-up where cable doesn't already exist.
They can keep it
Will include free WEBWISE aka Phorm. Profiling your web browsing habbits under the pretence of being a more secure way to be online.
Shove it up yer shit chutes.
They always roll out in the areas that have cable already.
What about those who have no choice other than BT's rubbish ADSL service?
How many already setup for Virgin ?
I know, for example, Luton is already cabled up - I'd expect Ofcomm should make BT prioritise those areas which *cannot* get alternate high speed internet..
Interesting choice of exchanges in London - you think they might have considered the exchange(s) sitting around the Olympic Park - or perhaps that's in phase 2. I can imagine congestion on the Stratford exchange will be even more ugly than it is now come 2012...
By the time....
.. it's all rolled out, it'll be old tech.
the next bunch of exchanges
Someone posted a link to this list of 'potential future' exchanges when FTTC was announced earlier in the month
All of the confirmed ones are on there except Belfast...
Now there's a first, BT actually putting in a service where I am first, rather than last....
Don't do it! Virgin will pop a cap in your ass!
Please please please accelerate your roll-out program. 40mbps will let us harvest data much more efficiently. Although we are not so worried about the pikey Scots, Irish or Welsh, just places where spend per head is higher.
Breaking News, ISP announces that it's next broadband product will deliver the fastest speeds ever (subject to F.U.P., location, throttling, random whims).
In other news, catholic bear shits on the pope in some woods, or something like that.
Chingford, Edmonton and Enfield aren't in London, unless you subscribe to the view that anything within the M25 counts as London. Which is incorrect.
Unfortunately I'm not covered in the first roll-out, as I live in rural Bedfordshire. But I don't really care as I've got a choice of 8mb ADSL and 50mb cable.
However, I've noticed that so many people complaining above are also from traditionally remote, sparsely-populated areas. If you want to have the amenities associated with living in a city, move to a city! (But not Birmingham, they don't have it yet!) I don't hear city-dwellers complaining about the lack of fresh air and access to horse manure.
current maintainance would be nice....
... My exchange has been Red for contention since January, the latest move of the goal posts predicts end of March for a fix - at which time BT will calmly move the date further back yet again. Its not like this is a rapidly expanding area either, so either the equipment is failing at a fantastic rate, or (IMHO more likely) BT just cant be arsed to spend the money to service the clients of their wholesale "Partners"
This news doesnt excite - with no LLU here BT have a monopoly here that they are happy to abuse. I doubt if we will see FTTC here in my lifetime - especially as they cant keep on top of current maintainance now!
If you want to change exchanges it's a right ball ache as you'd have to be physically re-wired in to the Taff's Well cabling. If for example Taff's well connects to the next street you could try asking BT, but be prepaired for either manic laughter or a massive bill.
UK inability to plan for the future
The problem we have compared to other nations is that we have a much greater "make-do-and-mend" attitude towards national infrastructure than other nations. Nations like Japan have spent Billions over the last 30+ years keeping their telecoms networks up to date whereas ours is a mish-mash of 40+ years of haphazard expansion with little thought. BT are quite rightly asking why should they stump up the cash for fibre without being allowed to control the charge other operators pay to use it. It's a PLC and thus has to make money. If the Govt was serious about fully connecting the UK to broadband interwebs then they'd do as they've done to the railways and nationalise the cabling infrastructure and let BT, virgin, CPW etc. run their services on that infrastructure.
Surprised they took this long.
With all that Phorn server capacity to fill. Active downloaders mean all the more data to profile.
Just moved to Bratislava in Slovakia, the WHOLE city is wired up for 70 megs, 1 to 1 contention,
70 megs = 24 euro a month
They have had these speeds for 6 years. I was using bit torrent yesterday (for completely legal content of course! :-) and had a downlpoad speed of over 32 megs a second.
My old NTL "12 mrg" line gave me around 1 meg on non windy nights at 4 a.m. if I prayed to the intertube gods.
I mean I'm in bloody eatern europe, BT and VM and NTL just won't spend any money on infrastructure until they reall really have to.
Is a title actually required??
Halifax and Pudsey were chosen to test the FTTC rollout in rural locations??? The person who picked those two has never travelled north of Watford...
Quit your whining
I won't get it in this phase, but this is better news than I had hoped for, they are actually rolling out quite a significant number of exchanges. More than any trial would.
I can wait even if my broadband drops it's connection twice a day, often when I use it the most. As for Suffolk, it is a surprising omission, because they normally test new technology out there due to BT Adastral Park research center being there.
They have obviously picked technologically and statistically interesting locations, the criteria were probably not very political, but there are limitations that are obvious:
# Fiber availability (does the exchange have enough connectivity *spare*
# Cost/ease/safety of street digging / civil engineering
# Broadband demand/usage rate
Hanlon's Razor always applies.
@ +1 with Lionel
I'd give in to that temptation if I were you. I've been with Virgin/ntl in South Wales since their 512Mb was launched nearly 10 years ago and it's been near perfect. With the 20Mb service I get in excess of 2200k/sec every time (where the source is able to accomodate such speeds). I did have problems with a language barrier during a support call a few months ago but as the network is solid and fast who cares?
I do feel for you guys in the sticks with little more than a dialup connection. They should sort you out first and bring you in line with the rest of the country before leaving you even further behind.
How flippin annoying. We get a sketchy 512k, should that not be upgraded first? I live inbetween Aberdeen and Inverness, show me the bloody improvements up this way as I pay my monthly fee like everyone else. In fact, pay for LESS.
Where have you been hiding for the last 40-odd years?
Chingford, Enfield & Edmonton are very much in London.
@ Anonymous Coward
"Calder Valley" will come under "Rural" not Halifax. I suspect Pudsey is more 'rural' than Halifax anyway ;)
Local exchange name?
How do you tell what your local exchange is called?
Or what area the exchanges in the list cover.
FTTC, replacement or suppliment?
"I was trolling along, on moonlight bay, dah de de de de de de dee,...."
Seriously though, is FTTC intended to replace the existing copper multicore from the exchange to "your nearest roadside cabinet" or is it going to be supplementary to it, thereby enabling ET, sorry BT, to proffer a two-tier service?
I have to agree with a great many of the posts here, it should be rolled out in more 'rural' areas first, with preference given to those areas with either no broadband, or piss-poor connections.
But that wouldn't be 'economically viable' I suppose.
Finally, my apologies to our Welsh reader. How could I possibly have missed "Taffs Well - Rhondda Cynon Taf"
Hadn't you noticed? London's getting bigger...
White mice on a big wheel?
Those at Tinto exchange are expected to keep going forever are they?
BT deserve to be bailed out like HBOS, Lloyds... just for lack of enthusiasm
Taken back to being owned by the public and then let gordy splash out some ca$h on upgrading the entire UK as some side project for 2012 Olympics! And get the UK's telecoms backbone upto a modern standard with fibre ran into everyhome in the UK wether is it rural or not! Then on this give everyone a VOIP phone with the option to keep the old PSTN whilst it like Analog TV is switched off over 5 years...Its the way to go for the UK economy blah blah blah......
"BT's Openreach division will handle the rollout. It will be required to offer wholesale FTTC access to BT Retail's competitors on equal terms.".... worked for BT back in 2001 when it was rolling out ADSL and I expect that BT will only play fair once they get caught or are blown the whistle on!
I live in the Calder Valley!* Hell yeah, bring it on!
Thing is, though, if you're going to run the fibre optic all the way to my bloody street, why not run it TO MY HOUSE? Seriously, just invest in an area, run fibre to everyone. Everyone under the sun will sign up, you make a mint, and once you're showing a profit, you move on to the next area for rollout. Get on with it!
*Which, by the way, is scenic, not rural. ;-) There's a chuffin' great motorway going through it, for one.
Somebody else posted here first that i found bloody usefull becaus ewe are going to be moving soon.
Next time i will move according to exchange locations Only
Thanks to AndyC for the Link
To Anybody if your gonna go Virgin, you will need to be able to pass the following test
I dont rape the ISP bandwidth
I dont Game.
I only Use my Internet for text based Email
4 of my mates are on It and everything one Hates it with a passion
and another 6 are ex users and say best thing they did was leave.
As much as i get pissed with BT for not sorting out my area, I am pleased with the reliability of the service in 5 years i think it has dropped connection twice.
But on the other hand i am sorely tempted to start sending letter bombs to their tech call centers till they move them back to the UK
You're not in Brighouse, are you? Brrr.