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The UK's military top brass are said to be "furious" that updated imagery on Google Earth has laid bare pretty well all of Blighty's defence infrastructure, including Faslane nuclear sub base, the "nuclear crisis HQ" in Northwood, North London, the SAS barracks in Herefordshire, GCHQ in Cheltenham and MI6's spook central in …

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SAS Crop circle?

Do you see the crop circles to top and right of the SAS barracks?

They are using Alien Technology and have Alien DNA. Why else would they storm the Iranian Embassy when everyone else was watching Steve "Interesting" Davis play snooker?

I was watching in black and white on a 14 inch portable TV.

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Military brass

He'd probably have a fit if he saw www.secret-bases.co.uk then! Most of it is publicly available information.

To be fair to Google, maps.live.com have slightly higher res imagery of Faslane, so perhaps the military should be aiming their scathing comments at Microsoft instead?

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GCHQ

GCHQ looks rather nice. Perhpas somebody there who is reading this would like to invite me over for a tour.

Tim#3

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Ian

A title is required.

Why does the SAS HQ have crop circles in the field next to it?

Is this part of their training? Anyone who can crawl into a farmers field without leaving a trail then making a pattern in the middle of the field and exit again without leaving an exit trail either is in?

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Crop circles!

I knew it! The SAS have been taken over by alien mind control rays! There's clear proof right there in the new google images: a series of crop circles in that last image at the top right of the picture!

CALL THE NEWS OF THE WORLD!!

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And in rural Berkshire

There's the Atomic Weapons Estalblishments in Aldermaston and Burghfield.

If I understood this Googlestuff I'd KMZ it, but the spooks either don't care or are asleep at the wheel as the area is popular with recreational fliers in microlights and Cessnas and such who couldn't possibly be terrorists in disguise, could they, otherwise it'd be a no-fly zone.

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Crop circle fake also revealed

I noticed that top right on the SAS photo is a crop circle. Is this proof that squaddies doing a never ending 'left wheel' are in fact the cause of crop circles and not aliens after all.

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Windsor Castle

This is right up there with the Ex-Royal car's GPS.

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Lot of hot air about nothing

The would-be "terrorists" already know where the base is. They wouldn't need to lob mortar bombs at any specific building, any one would do.

This is just being used as an attempt at web censorship.

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Bah

Everyone knows that all those buildings are mere holograms designed to draw attention away from our real armed forces. Secure in their distant hollowed-out mountain-top hideouts.

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Very clear, but what date?

I am doing up a farmhouse in Yorkshire near one of the MOD sites. The image is now a lot clearer, but judging from the state of the surroundings is still pre 2004 despite the copyright statement

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Outrageous!

My own Google Earth-based researches have revealed that both Buckingham and St James' Palaces, 10 Downing Street, the MoD Main Building, the Cabinet Office, the Department of Health, Defra, the Ministry for Education (or whatever the hell it's called this week), the Houses of Parliament, City Hall, all the major UK airports, many sites of historic interest and the offices of both The Sun and The Daily Fail are fully exposed to the scrutiny of anyone with a computer that meets the minimum specifications and wishes to plan the sort of nefarious activities that are unachievable by merely walking around with a camera pretending to be a tourist. When will this be stopped?

And where do I pick up my fee for pointing out the bleeding obvious in the name of scaremongering on a quiet Monday morning?

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I like the design of GCHQ

If you target your missile to hit it right in the middle, you'll miss it completely.

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hop on the no. 94 bus!

now that's funny...oh and of course very chilling.....thanks to the sun for saving us again...

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nuke

Was I the only person who read the word 'nuke' in the title as a verb rather than an adjective?

Icon seems appropriate.

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Calculated risk.

After all if someone is determined to attack somewhere then they will find a way.

I think I would prefer things to be open anyway, after all if you have nothing to hide ...etc And it's not as though these places can't defend themselves after all.

ttfn

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If I was a terrorist

I really would think more than twice about raiding an SAS base.

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You have already failed

If your on the ground security is incapable of keeping people with bombs out of your buildings.

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Aliens already found SAS

Look at the crop circles in the NE corner of the pic.

I don't think there's anything available on Google earth which a well organised terrorist cell could find out for themselves.

It's one thing to see an aerial photo of something, but another thing to figure out whether it's a sleeping barracks/ missile facility/ heavily reinforced concrete bunker/ WMD creation facility -

It takes a lot of skilled photo interpretation and then political interference to figure out what something actually is.

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Why is this so special?

In a simple test, I entered "pentagon, arlington va" into Yahoo's mapping service. It gave me a nice map of the point that is commonly referred to as "ground zero", the center of the structure. As I understand it, it was the place where the Soviets had a missile targeted during the cold war. In addition I understand there is a hot dog stand (or similar) there (called "ground zero cafe", as I understand it) that the "locals" take lunch breaks. From the looks of it it is a nice sunny patio.

No I have never been there.

Of course, when the Mac first came out, its map "desk accessory" had the coordinates for "Area 51" in it. They were asked kindly to remove that point. They kept the "middle of nowhere" point though!

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Noticed this on Friday

The road from Loch Lomond over to Faslane is superb on the old motorcycle (warning: lots of sheep at times, do a sighting run first) and I was trying to remember what is was called; then I noticed that Faslane itself was shown in surprising detail. Almost to maximum magnification.

I think the threat is overblown though. Sure you can see that a road goes from that white blob to the other white blob, but you have no idea which white blob is for what. Much better to go along aforementioned road, stop at the car park at about halfway, and just have a good look.

As for rocketing Faslane....only place really would be from the road. But there's a high fence, loads of cameras and the all hippies would just get in the way.

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Are those crop circles?

Just outside the SAS HQ?

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Over reaction terrorism badnwagon ahoy!

Lets face it, we all know that the SAS is in Hereford, nuke subs are in Faslane and anyone with serious intent would be able to get the co-ordinates without needing to pop on Google Earth.

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so what?

Devonport (home to subs, frigates etc.) is also clearly shown and has been for some time.

Anybody who really wanted to find the necessary info could do so anyway, regardless of Google earth/maps.

I think the Germans spotted the dockyard back in the 1940's.

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Is this really news?

If you want to be really outraged you could head over to www.secret-bases.co.uk who have been exposing all sorts of stuff like this in glorious high resolution since 2003.

They have google maps extracts, site plans, photos taken from low flying light aircraft of all manner of well...secret bases. Training areas and ranges, RAF and USAF bases, an interactive tour of the trident base area posted in 2007, munitions storage areas, all kinds of stuff about GCHQ, MI5, MI6 and the FCO listening staion at Hanslope Park etc are all there.

It's a great website to waste a slow afternoon in the office.

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Bigger Worry...

...for the Sun should be who's making those crop circles next to the SAS barracks (top-right of picture)!

Obviously, the SAS have been infiltrated by aliens...

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More fear-mongering

What's the Sun's readership? I'm guessing that they've just highlighted this 'problem' to around 5,000,000 people who otherwise wouldn't have known about this 'security breach'.

Well done them for keeping the cat in the bag...

(need a 'cat out of the bag' icon!!! :D)

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Protection from Al Qaeda

Let's face it, if the people who are supposed to be protecting us FROM the likes of Al Qaeda are intimidated by having pictures of their highly guarded bases out there, we're doomed. Can you really imagine anyone with the firepower and skill to attack the SAS in their own base being deterred by only having a blurred photo of where they'd be confronting a couple of hundred highly skilled, heavily armed special forces troops? Err... no.

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Hiding MI6

What's the point?

I hope that when Al Queda does decide to attack MI6, bundling out of a train at Vauxhall station for a good vantage point, surely those green glass-fronted ramparts will collapse to reveal a shed load of 50 cals and Javelin missiles to blat them into pixie dust.

As for Faslane, there's bugger all there, all the good stuff is at Coulport

Finally - go on, invade the SAS HQ, I fricking dare anyone!

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What's the issue here?

Faslane - get close enough to launch mortars/rockets with any accuracy and they'd be able to see it anyway and Google doesn't actually tell you what individual buildings are.

GCHQ - just not worth attacking unless you're going to flatten it entirely. There's no infrastructure that's irreplaceable and unless you know which office window to attack, you're unlikely to randomly hit all the analysts who specialise in your country/region.

MI6 - that's not MI6 it's just a "Foreign Office building" - ask the government.

SAS - anyone stupid enough to think that attacking the SAS barracks will do anything other than piss them off should be encouraged to try.

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No security risk

Sorry, any half-witted terrorist can find just about any "sensitive" location, this is a lot different from gaining access, and doing harm. Besides, more harm my be done by targetting the financial district than either military or intelligence sites. That's why the World Trade Center was the main target. Sure The Pentagon was also hit, but that was meant to be a slap in the face (and may have been an alternate target anyway)

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Thats nothing....

These facilities are publicy known and easy to find. If The Sun are concerned about military secrets being exposed, what would they say about this site?

www.secret-bases.co.uk

If I remember rightly, somewhere on the site it mentions that the Daily Mail tried to run a scare story about this guy providing information for terrorists. When MI6 were asked for their opinion, they commended the site author for his investigative work and said he's just the type of chap they'd want to employ, and he was invited to visit with their top brass!

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Pirate

OOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHH

I'm SHOCKED - AND DISGUSTED Teh Terorists will be now able to completly work out how to HIT US WHERE IT HURTSand cause DEVISTATION to our law abiding land. Them IMIGRANTS arent helping either and we shall all be MURDERED in our BEDS by NAZI TERORISTS who can come in when they please and DONT PAY TAXES or ANYTHING.

I'm ANGRY - ANGRY BEYOND WORDS at this outrage. Wont somebody think of teh CHILDREN

Signed,

An average SUN reader

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SAS consultants

Anyone else notice the UFO landings in the crop field Noth-east of SAS base?

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Stop the terrorists

OK so the maps and pictures are posted online.

Then to sell a 35p rag the editors at the SUN decide to publish it and talk about how terrorist could use this information to base attacks. And just to make sure in case they did not get the pictures off the website, and to add to the hysteria they also publish the actual location in latitude and longtitude.

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Crop circles

I'm guessing the crop circles posts were a joke, but just in case anyone thought they were serious, those circles are actually the compass and other controls from google earth. They just happen to be in a field...

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Alien

UFOs?

Bugger the terrorists! I just hope that the SAS are well on their way to building a Mind Shield and Fusion Ball Defences! Plus have the Hangers in a row with the Elevator connected to a single Living Quarters, all in a “T” configuration so the pesky aliens have to attack along a single vector…

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Stupid

It's the same stupid logic that means printed maps no longer have military sites printed on them. They used to do.

What kind of a fool would force their way into an army base and cause trouble?

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If they're cropcircles...

... the aliens have been rather busy. They're even in central London.

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@David Edwards

"I really would think more than twice about raiding an SAS base"

You've missed the point!! The Sun has told me that they might be asleep sometimes!! Then what? Eh? Eh?

Once you've sat back and thought of the children for a bit, I think you'll find yourself looking a bit silly m'laddo!

The Sun are absolutely bang on. Blur the pictures on Google Earth. Not only that, cover the buildings in a big dome of frosted glass so you can't see them properly when you're outside it. It's the only way to be sure...

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SAS running scared....

I bet the SAS are running around like headless chickens.........NOT

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Also clearly on view

Check out the view of Rosyth Naval Dockyard/Graveyard. Several subs on view there.

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Police

Good job that you didn't carry photographs of any police stations!

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Google's info is rubbish...

... you can get much more detailed info from the US Navy

http://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/~cannon/medports/Faslane/

"Port Ops normally work on VHF ch 73."

Just in case you needed to listen.

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So???

Anyone driving down the A40 can see GCHQ, and the roads round it are public roads, and then there are all the people in the houses there too. You can't "hide" things like GCHQ or AWE Aldermaston or Fylingdales. So are the Sun going to demand that all the roads near them are closed?

Once again we had a shit-rag of a paper trying to boost its flagging sales by spinning a nothing story into some sort of hysteria with suitably rabid quotes from "military experts" (which probably means someone who buys the Tanks bit work from the newsagent).

So, nothing to see here, move along.

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Paris Hilton

Excuse me for being vague ...

but the locations of the likes of Faslane, etc are well-known to anyone who happens to live nearby or simply drive past every day.

Over-reaction, much?

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and......

what exactly would be the point of attacking faslane anyway? "we've blown up some buildings that contain spares for a sub." Wow, big deal. The subs at se are the useful ones, and no-one knows where they are until the crash into a French equivalent. And I really don't think they leave nuke warheads lying around in sheds that you can see on Google Earth. 25meters down, under stell and concrete, maybe. But you'd have to hit that with a bit more than a truck-mounted mortar to make an impression.

Mine's the one with the quality newspaper in the pocket

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