Hurlable 360° cam-grenades used by IDF in Gaza
dervheid
Just how much useable info... #
Posted Monday 23rd February 2009 16:29 GMT
will it be able to gather before its operational limits are exceeded by the butt of an AK-47 impacting it?
Or does it have a Mission: Impossible-esque audio warning " This ball will self destruct in..."
Adrian Jones
A couple of points #
Posted Monday 23rd February 2009 16:29 GMT
1. Didn't we see this on CSI:New York a while ago?
2. I-Ball? Surely someone has told them it should be iBall. (Or have Apple sewn that one up as well?)
JimC
> more about Industrial Subsidy... #
Posted Monday 23rd February 2009 16:29 GMT

> Why, it's almost as though the MoD procurement budget was more about
> industrial subsidy than about equipping troops and saving lives
As you well know Lewis, if it comes to a serious shooting war ramping up supplies in a great hurry is key, especially of "dispoasble" items, so it may not be a good idea to have to get them from a third party, especially should that third party not approve of your war... Get enough suppliers from enough different countries and it will be impossible to fight at all without some bit of kit or another being embargoed for spares or supplies...
If the US hadn't let us have their new type Sidewinder missiles we'd probably have lost the Falklands war, and if the French had let the Argentinians have a generous supply of air launched Exocets they'd probably have won it...
Frank Bough
Not Again... #
Posted Monday 23rd February 2009 16:29 GMT

industrial subsidy DOES save lives, and we shouldn't be trading with Israel anyway until they clean up their act.
Anonymous Coward
White phosphorous #
Posted Monday 23rd February 2009 16:29 GMT
Israel also an expert in white phosphorous devices:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7904929.stm
War crimes charges+The Hague+all the top leaders of Israel =Middle eastern peace.
Mr Lodestone
Give it to the freshest-faced troops and... #
Posted Monday 23rd February 2009 16:29 GMT
"Can we have our ball back please, mister? Yes, it is in your house. Yes it is - and you've got horrible wallpaper and you don't hoover under the soafa either. You'll put a knife in it will you? Just wait until me and the lads move down the street then. We don't want to get hit by shrapnel and bits of you flying everywhere."
Oh, it doesn't have any explosives it it? oh.
Ground Rush
CAM Grenade #
Posted Monday 23rd February 2009 16:29 GMT
I've been reading the Register for too long/ too much, I read that headline as CUM Grenade. Might work tho due to the gag factor, Can I have the patent please?
Anonymous Coward
Shock Horror! #
Posted Monday 23rd February 2009 16:29 GMT

Lewis Page advocates the Military buying from other countries!
Although I'm surprised it's not America this time.
Surely the point of buying in-country is that we keep the expertise in-country rather than relying on other countrys? Especially if we're relying on a state like Israel- which is under near-constant attack and which is near-constantly attacking. Hardly a great marker of a stably, reliable supplier is it? Though I accept they'll keep having a decent sized military budget for a few years to come!
This ESPECIALLY works with relatively cheap tech like 360-degree cameras; limited R&D costs (I mean it's surely just some fancy optics, a camera & a wireless link?) and a low per-unit cost make this a fantastic item to build in-country.
Anonymous Coward
A load of old bull #
Posted Monday 23rd February 2009 16:29 GMT
The IDF also used White Phosporus and a variety of ant-personnel weapons top "prevent casualties". I rahre suspect the latter had more effect that the "Bull" device....
Anonymous Coward
I wonder if... #
Posted Monday 23rd February 2009 16:29 GMT

...there are some racists working within the MoD. Nah, impossible.
Anonymous Coward
wake up and hear the helicopters #
Posted Monday 23rd February 2009 16:29 GMT

"Why, it's almost as though the MoD procurement budget was more about industrial subsidy than about equipping troops and saving lives."
Yes,
The international tax pot is the biggest pot of money in the world, and yet nobody has ever tried to rob it.
Well, nobody has ever been caught robbing it which is almost the same thing.
Now if I developed an Armageddon device then they would throw me in the clink, but if BAE or Lockhead or some other rich bastard organisation developed an Armageddon device they would receive a knighthood and a big fat wad of cash. Oh and these rich bastard organisations also give highly paid consultancy jobs to world leaders that start wars.
Just an observation that's all, no need to send out the helicopters.....
Dave Bell
But does it work #
Posted Monday 23rd February 2009 16:29 GMT
I certainly hope we do buy some.
Because the engineers need to know what they need to do better.
Jolyon Ralph
Doesn't sound like something they'd use #
Posted Monday 23rd February 2009 16:31 GMT

They prefer to just fire tank rounds at anything that moves from a safe distance. Why look inside a room when you can just blow it up? :(
Stu Reeves
Funny.... #
Posted Monday 23rd February 2009 16:31 GMT

..thought they just flattened the neighbourhood to make sure it was safe.....
Stu
The sophisticated countermeasure... #
Posted Monday 23rd February 2009 16:31 GMT

...to such a ballcam -
*drumroll*
Spraypaint on the lenses.
I'll market and sell small spray cans to be issued to servicemen for a knockdown MoD special price of £500 a pop.
Hows that sound?
Sarah Bee
Re: CAM Grenade #
Posted Monday 23rd February 2009 16:31 GMT

Dirty boy. (I think 'boy' is a reasonable assumption here.)
Tom Paine
Not a great advert #
Posted Monday 23rd February 2009 16:53 GMT
If IOF were using these devices to find which buildings were booby-trapped or filled with AK-clutching terrorists, they were wasting their money. Any fool can see that the strategy was "fire indiscriminately into heavily occupied built-up areas", presumably on the basis that the only good Palestinian is one blown to shreds at the age of five.
Oliver Mayes
Better idea #
Posted Monday 23rd February 2009 16:53 GMT

Sell a public model with wifi, then you just lob it into some changing rooms and it automatically uploads the footage to youtube.
Anonymous Coward
At least they actualy buy stuff #
Posted Monday 23rd February 2009 20:23 GMT

We built a similar clever gadget for our own troops. It let them do something while safely hidden behind a wall instead of standing up waving their arms around in the air for 30secs as they do now.
Soldiers loved the prototype - then we tried to make it:
It has to be compatible with the Bowman radio - but it doesn't need a radio - ok we'll get back to you (they never did)
All electronic equipment has to interface with the "infantry soldier 2000 platform", they hope to have the specs for this available sometime around 20xx
Then it will have to be redesigned to mil-spec - but the point is that it uses cheap off the shelf commodity parts, that's why it's light/cheap/easy to use. And your manufacturing process will have to be redesigned to our specs, and we will tell you which approved parts you can use (ever tried to buy Nato made memory chips!)
Then they will only buy from approved suppliers = Thales/BAe/whatever the global arms co is called this month.
In the end we sold them to the Isrealis instead.
Anonymous Coward
No mention of Andy Murray #
Posted Monday 23rd February 2009 20:23 GMT
surely he such be signed up to the Army to show our troops how to do a drop shot/lob etc into buildings from afar.
Also, doesn't the image make troops sick if a spinning camera bounces around in a room ?
David Wiernicki
@Sarah Bee #
Posted Monday 23rd February 2009 20:23 GMT
If you're actually reading this thread, where was your brain when you approved those two fuckknob troll posts up there? I'm -seriously- unimpressed.
Charlie Clark
@Oliver Mayes #
Posted Monday 23rd February 2009 20:23 GMT

The seecam'n'cum?
I think I'm off to join an Israeli student union!
dave
got nades #
Posted Tuesday 24th February 2009 01:34 GMT
This seems like a good (but not entirely new) idea. For the price of a wireless camera setup I don't think it matters whether the UK buys them or makes them - this is not rocket science.
That said, the Israelis have a penchant for this kind of thing, and I would expect them to get it right.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0Q7MLR89p8
As for disabling the grenade with hammer / paint - surely the camera would have served it's purpose? While Terry vandalises the surveillance, a less civilised version can be on its way into the room.
... or out, if the tech-savvy terrorist can think under pressure.
william henderson
cheap countermeasure #
Posted Tuesday 24th February 2009 01:34 GMT
bat.
any one for cricket?
MnM
@ David W #
Posted Tuesday 24th February 2009 01:34 GMT
Steve
@ JimC #
Posted Tuesday 24th February 2009 01:34 GMT
"Get enough suppliers from enough different countries and it will be impossible to fight at all without some bit of kit or another being embargoed for spares or supplies..."
Sounds like the most practical way to bring about world peace that I've heard.
And we'll still get all the science and engineering advances that come along with weapons development and military spending.
Adrian Esdaile
Wait for version 2 #
Posted Tuesday 24th February 2009 01:34 GMT

Like all hardware, I'd wait for version 2.
I wouldn't want to fire my Mk1 i-ball through a window or round a corner!
Yep, mine's the one with the eyepatch.
James
The penny drops #
Posted Tuesday 24th February 2009 13:28 GMT

OOOOOH, I-ball = "eyeball".
that took me way too long to get, damn apple :(
al
IDF stole from Wachoski (spell) brothers ? #
Posted Tuesday 24th February 2009 14:52 GMT

Wasn't the 360-degree trick used first in .. THE MATRIX ? ;-)
Paris, coz next time she might invest in an i-ball (instead on green lighting).
Remy Redert
Hammers and I-balls #
Posted Tuesday 24th February 2009 16:36 GMT
Consider for a moment that this thing is designed to be fired THROUGH doors from what will most likely be a 40mm grenade launcher.
You'll need a sledgehammer and some good overhead swings to break it because your run of the mill hammer isn't going to cut it against something hard enough to survive that.
william henderson
its dark in there #
Posted Tuesday 24th February 2009 18:22 GMT

what if, after blasting through the door, it gets lodged in the guts of one of the occupants?
will it have lights so that remote surgeons will be able to diagnose the wound severity from the bits of plumbing that are visible?