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Mark Shuttleworth, founder of the Ubuntu project, has christened the next iteration of its Linux distro. It's called the Karmic Koala, and he says that the future release, due in October as Ubuntu 9.10, will have features that allow companies to build their own compute clouds. The announcement of the future release was posted to …

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Wow...

Ubuntu's release codenames are getting sillier with each release.

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And...?

Will fonts still look like a Dogs Dinner? Will the hopeless netmanager have been replaced by something which works as well as wicd - wicd for instance?

Would have thought most folk who've actually heard of cloud comping will cut out the Middle Man and already be Loving Lenny.

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why

do i suddenly think about 'flaming koala' ...

[penguin riddled with bulletholes]

(Steve and Bill have a like/hate variant. The pinguin should have a hate counterpart. like the above)

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Earth to Shuttleworth ...

"Mark Shuttleworth, founder of the Ubuntu project, has christened the next iteration of its Linux distro. It's called the Karmic Koala, and he says that the future release, due in October as Ubuntu 9.10, will have features that allow companies to build their own compute clouds."

Uh, Mark, I dunno what color the sky is on your planet (brown, maybe?), but companies have been building and deploying centralized computing since before you were born. We've moved on. It's an ancient technology that doesn't really work in real life anymore, outside of places where huge amounts of I/O are necessary (weather forecasting, ocean currents & tidal movements in estuaries, automated tellers, POS systems, inventories for national chains, whatever the NSA is doing, Google, Amazon, twitbookchanspace/.reg, and etc.).

Talk about jumping on a bandwagon ... What is it with these ex-Debian folks, anyway? I know they are very young, and don't have a lot of real world knowledge about how computers are used ... but are they really so caught up in themselves that they think they have earned clues simply because they managed to make a lot of money off of the back of Linus?

Me, I built & run a horse ranch for my retirement ... Shuttleworth is a space cadet.

Do the math.

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new channel

We've all heard of channel marketing. Seems to me the main thing he's channelling is Timothy Leary. He's at the "turn on, tune in" part of the trilogy it seems. Fine by me.

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All Change ..... to AIXXXXPerienced Space Cadet Controlling Systems.

"Wow ... Ubuntu's release codenames are getting sillier with each release." .... By Nick Posted Sunday 22nd February 2009 00:52 GMT

Nick,

One man's silliness is another man's stealth. And it is most very Probable that Windows is Readied for to be Rocked and Defrocked/Fragged in the Novel Cloud Space Processing.

Ziggy meets ZigZag for a Web of Spiders at Victoria Falls, I presume, Dr Shuttleworth? :-)

And apparently Eucalyptus is an Effective Barrier against Midges and Gnats, which are sort of Mosquitoes.

"The Eucalyptus project is actually an acronym that stands for Elastic Utility Computing Architecture for Linking Your Programs To Useful Systems, which explains why UCSB should be banned from naming anything for at least five years." ..... :-) Whenever it is so close to Perfect as makes no Difference in Transparent Steganography, GWB would probably have given them a medal and a bomber jacket.

[And Paris because Seventh Heaven is a Perfumed Garden exploding in a Riot of Colour with Sticky Sweet Earthly Powers in All Manner of such Exotic Erotic Flowers ......... Manna indeed .... 4AIManna2 in Binary Deeds for Systems Management.] ....... which would be the Optional Proffered Max Volume Preferred Root Route for the Real High Flying Cybernaut/InterNetional Space Station Cosmonaut.

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@ Nick

Gutsy Gibbon, Hardy Heron, Karmic Koala. Yeah, pretty silly.

Could be worse though, I heard off a friend of a friend's cousin's brother in-law's sister's pet chinchilla that Microsoft's codename for Vista was Constipated Chimp.

Even if it wasn't, it probably should have been.

Paris, Fellatio Fawn.

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Words

"Shuttleworth admitted to that his cloud speak sounded "open" and "nebulous," ..."

I thought that clouds always have been open and nebulous?

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get WPA working

I have various laptops running variants of Ubuntu and the 2 problems are always getting the sound cards to work with Skype and getting wpa working.

It is getting better by the day but wpa is totally essential these days and should be as easy to set up as a wired connection.

Keep up the good work

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Agree...

I'm a big fan of ubuntu & other nix variants but agreed my main gripes with hardy are inability to get correct screen resolution on a 15inch widescreen Dell laptop, adobe flash is still not working, having to install a bunch of additional codecs to listen to mp3's and being totally unable to get a wifi connection to a wep secured bt-homehub via network mgr (iwconfig/iwlist/ dhclient works fine).

Most people who haven't done software engineering or sys admin for years would find these issues very annoying.

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Sky

There seems to be a certain size you get to when you stop knowing what people's real problems are and start chasing the stupid stuff.

I think this visionary has gone blind and is drinking way too much industry hype these days.

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@Anomalous Coward

While I'm at it ..;)

I just switched back to NM from WICD because WICD was periodically refusing to connect to my network (fine for a few weeks then bam, no dice), tried everything then gave up and switched back to NM and it's working perfectly...

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Re: And... ?

"Will fonts still look like a Dogs Dinner?"

I agree that not everyone will like the default fonts. So just goto Applications > Add/Remove, type 'fonts' in Search and install 'Ubuntu Restricted Extras' and 'Microsoft Core Fonts'. This gives you all the true type fonts, if you want. Problem solved.

"Will the hopeless netmanager have been replaced by something which works as well as wicd - wicd for instance?"

wicd doesn't do much though does it. The new network manager allows wireless, vpn, bluetooth, mobile broadband etc. Better to improve it rather than downgrade it.

Plymouth will be a great addition though.

Personally I'm more interested in what comes after Koca Kola Koala. Be a bit cheeky if it was Little Leopard. Heh.

Going to be Llama though isn't Laughing Llama or Leaping Llama.

Boring!

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@wow

Better the name gets worse - rather than the OS...

M$ please take note...

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Daft

They're not doing themselves any favors here with the daft version names. If I told a client that I was installing Karmic Koala on their machine I'd be out the door a bit sharpish. At least the Apple version names for OS X look reasonable.

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Head in the clouds...

"It's no coincidence that Eucalyptus has just been uploaded to universe and will be part of Jaunty - during the Karmic cycle we expect to make those clouds dance, with dynamically growing and shrinking resource allocations depending on your needs,"

amanfromMars...is that you?

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Shuttleworth gets cloudy with Ubuntu 9.10

"Karmic Koala" -

Because of those stupid names I don't use Ubuntu.

I prefer silly hat names.

Maybe they should go this route?

* Jiggly Jugs

* Bobbin' Boobs

* Cheery Chesticles

- I'd use it all the time

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@Anomalous Coward

What's wrong with the fonts? sub-pixel hinting is working fine for me and looks lovely and sharp with no halo-ing. Are you sure your font settings are right for your monitor?

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So...

What happens after Zonked Zebra?

@ac How about Humungous Hooters? Wobbling Watermelons? Massive Mammories?

Paris. Duh!

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Sod all that...

I just want it to play DVD's without having to have a net connection to download "extra" bits for my media player. When was the last time playing DVDs was considered an extra?!

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@All Change..

Welcome back A Man From Mars, we've missed you. (maybe I've been reading the wrong articles)

Good to have some sensible comments cutting through the bullshit.

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A rose by any other name...

Who cares about the name. Call it Ubuntu 9.10 if it embarrasses you.

I love Ubuntu; hardly ever use Windows on my laptop any more, and never on my server. I just get a bit pissed off that something that worked in Kernel 2.6.27-7 (Intel 833C Sound) stopped in 2.6.27-9 and wasn't fixed in -11. I understand if something doesn't work at the begining, but not when it has worked from the begining and suddenly stops. Luckily I have the choice of running the old kernel if I want to hear anything.

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Maybe someone should point out...

...that a koala travels so slow because it's poor tortured digestive system is flat out processing the fermenting cocktail of noxious chemicals and cellulose that its diet consists of. Karmic Kemicalplant might be more appropriate. Dyspeptic Dropbear, why not?

I love our koala - and its terrestrial cousin, the wombat. Their bloody mindedness and their tendency to pee on tourists are an inspiration to us all. Their entire physiology is dedicated to neither fight nor flight but, rather, "just you try to move me, you bastard". The koala, in particular, pigheadedly clings to the notion that it can eke out an existence in a biological niche normally only occupied by sawfly larvae. Consequently it hovers perpetually on the brink of death - desiring nothing more than one last chance to pee on a Brit before it goes. Its cuddly appearance and its smell of eucalyptus laundry freshness make this a common occurrence.

The koala is no warm and fuzzy allegory tying FOSS supercomputing to natures rhythms and cycles. No. The koala is a mean, cantankerous, bastard who will pee on you if he gets the opportunity and if you don't take THAT hint he will cut you, by god. He will cut you!

Love the koala.

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Restricted formats

There is a reason why Ubuntu doesn't ship with DVD and MP3 codecs. It's a pain, but it's really not their fault. If you look here:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats

then it's pretty much a one line fix.

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RE: Sod all that...

Robert, Windows doesn't come with a media player that plays commercial DVDs either. It just so happens that when somebody flogs a computer with Windows and a DVD drive, they tend to preinstall the DVD decryption software (be it by Roxio, Intervideo or whoever - it ain't Microsoft) so that this functionality will be there. I imagine that those OEMs who preinstall Ubuntu on computers do the same. It doesn't mean you'll find it on the Windows CD, any more than it'll be on the Ubuntu CD.

Oh, and @AC and Chika: Good ideas, but let's not be sexist: every other release will have to be "Wobbling Wanger", "Jaunty Johnson" etc.

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@ Spoon

>wicd doesn't do much though does it.

It works, actually it 'just works' - and perfectly on the half dozen laptops I've stuck it on. Numpties are able use it - move between wireless networks, create and save profiles, hibernate, suspend and avoid a myriad of other basic fallovers which NM introduces in new and interesting ways with each release.

> agree that not everyone will like the default fonts. So just goto Applications > Add/Remove, type 'fonts' in Search and install 'Ubuntu Restricted Extras' and 'Microsoft Core Fonts'.

Thank god for MS then - trouble is these decades old fonts are also dog awful (have you looked at a Mac recently?, personally I won't have one in the house, but nonetheless that's the real world competition). And I'm afraid sub-pixel hinting on a decent display is only a lesser degree of worse.

I'm not a target user but I know plenty of them - I'd love to see my kids school saving fortunes, relatives who pester me endlessly for 'Windows discs' and so on using Ubuntu. But, its not going to happen without fundamentals like wireless which works, web pages with typography which is readable even, forget attractive (I mean pleeease - 'not everyone will like...' visit any page using Times from a default install and say that with a straight face) .

I'm not proposing that's these issues are insurmountable if users want to tweak - options are staggeringly plentiful on any flavour of Linux, IF you have the interest - simple fact is that the folk who Ubuntu is supposed to be for don't - in fact already expect far, far more coming from near 7-year old XP - and that's quite a scarey concept.

I could make the same criticism about the hideous themes, shoddy graphic design in general, lack of effort in respect of Fusion setup, decent media player with pretty visualisations, a game or two which looks like it was written this century etc etc.

These things matter greatly to non-ITs who's idea of configuration is changing a screensaver (oh yeah that's another thing) or adding a photo of Aunty Flo to the desktop - and they matter far more than living in the clouds with everyone's favourite space cadet.

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@ Robert Long

Why not try Linux Mint?

http://www.linuxmint.com/about.php

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@ Chika

Ample Apples

Brobdingnag Bombs

Colossal Cups

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@BLoad

Wombleing Womble?

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@Steve

"...inability to get correct screen resolution on a 15inch widescreen Dell laptop, adobe flash is still not working, having to install a bunch of additional codecs to listen to mp3's and being totally unable to get a wifi connection..."

Linux is *totally* ready for the desktop!!

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But what is the name for the 12-10 release?

What is the adjective noun pair that starts with 'Q'??

Queer Queen?

But that isn't a wild animal (or is it?)?

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Hum..

"Shuttleworth said that the goal is to get a netbook running Januty to boot up in 25 seconds"

You mean it doesn't already? Wow , that means windows 7 boots faster!

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Err...

Will this version actually install without an errno 5?

I have spent most of the weekend trying to install Ubuntu/Mythbuntu from several different version from 7.? up to 8.1 and none of them work, however Fedora/Mythdora and Windows both work fine. Grr...

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amanfrommars

Nice to see the manfrommars is back :)

And the next stupid name for an Ubuntu release, something to do with lemurs surely?

(and NM has always worked fine on the different laptops I've tried it on and my WPA2 network, but then I'm a windows fule and maybe I don't know any better?)

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@Robert Long

DVD playback is a one click install for all distros, takes 10 seconds, less time than it took you to write about it.

It's not a GNU/Linux problem, it's Hollywood control of the film distribution industry and the DMCA. Not a bad description here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libdvdcss

Mine's the one with the DeCCS Haiku written on the back

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They missed an opportunity...

...to annoy everyone by naming it "Karmic Khameleon".

Now enjoy having that rattling round your head all day.

MMmmmmmmmwwwaaaaahahahahaha !

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@AC, Chika et al

Therein lies the difference between being puerile and merely silly.

And for those who don't like the silly names, remember that the official name will be Ubuntu 9.10.

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Re: Wow...

And it's not silly that Microsoft are calling their next version of Windows "7", when in fact it's 6.1... Nothing silly about that at all!

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DVDs in Windows, Ubuntu recovery console

Vista does play DVDs out of the box. Stick in DVD. Load media player. Bosh.

I may also be one of the few people who prefers Media Player to most other players. Everything else (including VLC) has codec or video/audio synching issues at times. That's providing the codecs don't get mucked up, of course..

From my point of view, Ubuntu badly needs a better recovery console. If the X configuration gets mucked up/Nvidia binary drivers don't install properly, it'll drop you at a command prompt with no guide on what to do. That may be barely acceptable when you've hacked X config files by hand in the past, but for an average user it needs some serious improvement - at the very least provide a VESA X server fallback and a set of X based recovery tools.

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@Robert Long

If you want that, buy a Dell with Ubuntu pre-installed, with the DVD codecs already set up and running. Simple really.

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@Name Whingers

Are you serious? Just call it 9.10 if you're going to cry about it.

Because Whistler, Vista, Snow Leopard, etc never existed... They're just some silly codenames. Calm down.

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How about "Dead Duck"?

Let's face it, outside of the server room and the bedrooms of a few uber-geeks, that is where Linux will languish. If Shuttleworth wants to get more adoption, he should spend less time spouting marketing pish and more time making the OS easier to use. When I install something from the repository, why do I have to grub about in a terminal to make it work?

I have a GUI, I installed it via a GUI, I want to use my GUI to control it. I want me menus installed automatically so I don't have to arse around and create my own launcher. I do not want to have to find obscure config files and edit them by hand before I can do anything. That is what the GUI is for! This is not hard to do at all and greatly eases the use of the system.

Linux is losing presence in the mini-laptop category where it almost had the entire market to itself, and it lost it through the traditional elitist, new-user-hostile, Linux way of doing things (which is; drop to terminal, use badly documented commands to fetch raw source, compile, fiddle with configs in vi and pray).

No wonder the TCO for Windows units is so much lower than Linux ones (before the freetards start baying about license costs, that's less that 10% of the total. Retraining your entire workforce on how to use a command line is going to cost so much more).

Until Linux has deployments have properly working (and stable; KDE is worse that Windows ME!) GUIs, they can forget any presence bar the billy-no-mates types.

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Linux does just work

As I have said here before a Dell 820 supplied to me by Microsoft didn't "just work", the wireless didn't register. A live Disk of Ubuntu proved the wireless was OK and so was a Windows driver issue.

My Rock Pegasus 665 runs Ubuntu 8.10 not only does everything just work the system software helped me analyse concerns I was having with the hardware, something the Windows supplied software could not. Oh, and the wireless works and an update of Totem and install of libdvdcss was a quick and easy way to play DVDs.

A friends Acer Aspire 5935, labouring a wee bit under Vista, became much more responsive with a LIVE CD (not an install) a LiveCD of Ubuntu 8.10, and yes, that included the wireless.

I still use Windows for games (until I get into Wine next month), but I am fairly happy with Linux for everyday life.

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who cares about the name

when its a damn good OS they make.

all of you who diss it because of the name, put up or shut up. unless there is a proven link between the name of the release and its functionality, your whinings are pointless and irritating. and a little fun is healthy, stop being so damn anal.

also to most of the other small gripes, I agree of course its not perfect, but when you get it for free and a new release every 6 months that improves every time, isnt it worth a bit of tinkering to sort out these problems?

I'm not going to be a twat and say "works for me" but the great thing about all linuxes is that if it doesnt work, you can fix it. rather than reinstalling or calling a premium tech support hotline like with *some* oses we could mention :) .

random tangent: I was actually asked to click on "start" when talking to an insurance rep the other day..... I told him you don't get a mouse on the CLI :)

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Keeping Up With The Gates

No surprise here. But 9.10 is really going to be named after a bug, not mosquito though, just as soon as a "K" species can be identified....or created.

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@GrahamT

There was a setting I had to add to /etc/modules (?) to get sound going on my ASUS laptop, also Intel chipset. Problem was something like the 3D sound had everything panned away from the normal stereo output or something similar. Sounhd was there but incredibly faint.

Can't get at the setting cos I'm at work and the laptop is switched off 60 miles away else I'd paste the config line for you :o(

Hope this helps give you something to google for at least

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I can see the next one

Logical Leveret?

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Silly names?

Silly name?

Like "longhorn" (Windows Vista) or Blackcomb (Windows 7)? I'm sure Macs have silly internal names too. These names are developer names and just a bit of fun.

Get over it, it's the OS itself that matters right?

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Am I the only one?

Am I the only one who has managed to get Ubby working out of the box on almost any hardware I have to hand? I have run it on Compaq Deskpro with dual-screen split Nvidia card. An ACER aspire one mini, a HP pavilion desktop, even my old ASUS mini.

The worst thing I have had to do with any of these is remember my 17 character WPA password so I can get out the house onto "da net". CD in, starts up. Install and reboot. Tweak the odd setting to get it just right and start using it. Even running dual-screen 19" screens of a bizarre HDMI nvidia grpahics card, worked perfect. Select Nvidia driver, select split screen Xinerama, reboot. Working perfect!

Stop all the FUD. I gave up on RedHat 5.1, 6.2 and 7.2 they were atrocious, these days a lot better.

For he last time....IT IS NOT WINDOWS! IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE WINDOWS!

Other than the similarities between OSX, Amiga, GEM desktop and Windows, Linux is it's own beast and should be treated as it's own entity!

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Good Fellows

The name "Shuttleworth" is indelibly associated with such ditties as "Pigeons in Flight" - let's hope Ubuntu release 'P' is Pigeon, of some description.

Right Ken ?

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Re: @Spoon

"It works, actually it 'just works' - and perfectly on the half dozen laptops I've stuck it on. Numpties are able use it - move between wireless networks, create and save profiles, hibernate, suspend and avoid a myriad of other basic fallovers which NM introduces in new and interesting ways with each release."

NM saw a very large improvement in the Ibex release, that can't really be denied can it. It's also just as numptie friendly as Windows network manager and wicd so that's not an entirely fair comment me thinks.

"Thank god for MS then - trouble is these decades old fonts are also dog awful (have you looked at a Mac recently?, personally I won't have one in the house, but nonetheless that's the real world competition). And I'm afraid sub-pixel hinting on a decent display is only a lesser degree of worse."

Let me get this straight. You dislike ubuntu's default fonts, but also think MS fonts are dog awful, so that's not going to work for you. You seem to like Apple fonts but won't have one in the house!

This isn't really working for us is it.

I'm afraid I can't help you. Sorry you'll have to go back to using pen and paper. Best of luck.

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