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Posted Monday 19th January 2009 13:50 GMT
So I guess it's out of the question to call "Scottish Prison Service’s equality and diversity manager, Rob Hastings" a retard?
Posted Monday 19th January 2009 13:50 GMT
Perhaps we should just release them, as I expect being banged up in chokey is bad for one's self-esteem too?
Posted Monday 19th January 2009 13:50 GMT
'..."handicapped", the latter axed because it derives from “cap in hand” which apparently infers disabled people are beggars.'
Oh no, not this one again. That's an urban myth:
http://www.snopes.com/language/offense/handicap.asp
Posted Monday 19th January 2009 13:50 GMT
I hereby Declare a new word
STUPIDFUCKINGIDIOT
as it is written exacly like above sounds very similar to three other words but is not
Will now be used to describe any inmate that is annoying.
PC Go suck eggs
They dont like it they shouldnt of commited the crime !!!!!
Posted Monday 19th January 2009 13:50 GMT
So I guess it's out of the question to call "Scottish Prison Service’s equality and diversity manager, Rob Hastings" a retard?
Posted Monday 19th January 2009 13:50 GMT
Mad is an unkind and derogatory term. A more appropriate phrase might be "PC approximating the logic of a individual with mental health issues."
(fingers crossed that a bajillion readers haven't already pointed this out)
Posted Monday 19th January 2009 13:50 GMT
Given that a measurable percentage of offenders actually do suffer from mental disorders this is a good idea. Treat others like you would want to be treated like. Would they get away with saying "put the black b*strd intae cell 44" No they wouldnt, so why should they get away with referring to those with mental or physical impairments in a derogatory manner?
For example - It has taken years for people to be persuaded to stop using the word "spastic" or "spazzy"; derived from someone who suffers cerebal palsy and therefore can suffer from spastic (spasmed) limbs but adopted as an insult.
Capability Scotland used to be known as the "Scottish Council for Spastics" but changed their name and remit many years ago to refer to anyone who needs help to improve their capabilities, such as those with learning difficulties and severe mobility issues.
Plus they are one of the few employers who when they find out that someone needs sensible adjustments to their workspace to perform their job, actually do the adjustments rather than withdraw the position or bully the person into quitting, or put that person into situations which risk their health or ask them to perform tasks they are not capable of to ridicule them.
Bill Aitken is a press attention seeker who never makes any sensible sugggestions on how to improve things, just lashes out meaningless soundbites like the true thatcher era tory that he is.
The campaign against political correctness can just fuck off, bunch of muppets who like lashing out racial, sexual and disability related slurs (but dont like getting insults back or being called on their disgraceful behaviour).
Newsflash, this is 2009 not 1609, they are a bit like the pensioner who came into my work one day and launched into a tirade about why theres nothing wrong with calling someone a "d*rkie", "p*ki", "w*g" or "n*gger", his excuse "Its the way you use it, not the word" total and utter bollocks, I wonder did he belong to the BUF? or maybe he was just upset that the nazis grabbed genocide before britain did.
Posted Monday 19th January 2009 13:50 GMT
For flips sake, I am sick and tired of this need to use fluffy language, always having to hide the painful truth of what something really is. PC can be good in the right context, but often it is used as an excuse by overpaid, pond-dwelling legal scumbags to get money out of someone.
We don't have problems any more, we have issues or situations.
Soldiers don't die in horrific agony due to gunshot wounds, the "armed forces suffer casualties in staged conflicts".
People aren't viciously raped by head-cases with no morals and no control, they are "victims of sexual assault".
Trains no longer breakdown, go wrong or are busted, they are "subject to unit malfunction".
We don't have night-watchman or security guards, they are security "officers". Obvious attempt to make something seem more important that it is. You look after something, you guard it, therefore you are a guard!
Just stop, right now!
Posted Monday 19th January 2009 13:50 GMT
'The Scottish Prison Service’s equality and diversity manager, Rob Hastings, defended that the guide "is not PC gone mad"'
Of course not, it's PC "with mental health issues"
Posted Monday 19th January 2009 13:58 GMT
But seriosuly, are the lags going to stop using these and other psychologically damaging terms between themselves and to the warders? Stop acting violently? Rehabilitate themselves?
The purpose of prison is, surely, punishment and rehabilitation. We plainly fail at the latter which is something we should be very ashamed of, and by all accounts it sounds like we fail at the former as well. I'm not saying that prisoners should be subjected to verbal tirades but you may as well lay on butlers and silver service if this sort of thing is going to happen. No deterrent at all.
Posted Monday 19th January 2009 13:58 GMT
"“The word ‘daftie’ is used as a derogatory term. It implies there is something bad about them. "
There s something "bad about them" otherwise they wouldn't be in fscking prison!!!
This is PC gone OTT.
Paris, because she's been there..!
Posted Monday 19th January 2009 13:58 GMT
Is that like Capability Brown for grouse shooting?
Posted Monday 19th January 2009 13:58 GMT
Is "daftie" a common term in Scotland then? Because when I've been, the inhabitants (who's houses have three taps - hot, cold and whisky) tended to use more colourful words than that.
Posted Monday 19th January 2009 13:58 GMT
Why, as a nation, do we treat our criminal scum better than we do our honest citizens?
Prisoners get free internet, free TV, free heating, free food, free this, free that; some even get exotic trips away; THEIR rights are protected by armies of lawyers who rush to defend them; and what does the law-abiding citizen get? To pay for it all, that's what.
It is a mockery of justice that these pieces of human refuse get such an easy time. They should be forced to do hard labour (clearing streets, whatever) as at least a token gesture to repay the society that they have harmed.
If being called a "nutter" is the worst they have to worry about, then the prison regime is clearly not harsh enough.
Posted Monday 19th January 2009 13:58 GMT
I expect better from a Reg hack.
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Other descriptions which similarly “reinforce negative attitudes” are “dumb” (in future “without speech”) and "handicapped", the latter axed because it derives from “cap in hand” which apparently infers disabled people are beggars.
(End Quote)
Perhaps an individual could infer that meaning; however, the word you sought in describing said relationship is "implies".
</pedant>
Posted Monday 19th January 2009 13:58 GMT
Says political correctness (sorry "quality and diversity") manager, Rob Hastings "Its not political correctness gone too far".
Of course not, Rob; after all you have to do *something* to justify your taxpayer funded salary.
Posted Monday 19th January 2009 13:58 GMT
Personally I'm offended by their use of learning difficulties to imply that one is either a nutter or a psycho. I have a learning difficulty, being really lazy makes it very hard to do anything, however I'm neither nutter nor psycho which are clearly different things.
I wish the dafties would stop using such offensive terms.
Posted Monday 19th January 2009 13:58 GMT
Look, mental health issues or not... if someone's in jail because they can't figure out not to cut someone up, they're fucking lucky to be alive at all and not dead as a result of their crimes. Frankly I don't give a fuck what "hurtful language" they're subjected to in prison, as it was likely their "hurtful behaviour" that put them their in the first place.
Posted Monday 19th January 2009 13:58 GMT
Working in accessibility (perhaps thats the IT angle?) its a pity these muppets don't take the time to find out what words actually mean, and if they serve a useful purpose, before banning them. WHO found English terms around disability so difficult in translating international standards they established a committee to define them.....
.....impairment is the functional issue, disability is the impact of impariment on the person and handicap is the barrier to societal inclusion resultant from disability - I'm paraphrasing.
Its actually a useful way of thinking since an impairment needn't be a disability and disability needn't be a handicap - in an institution such as a prison its usually external support and intervention which is critical in determining whether an impairment becomes a handicap.
BTW None of these terms are anywhere near as offensive as sticking -tard on the end of stuff as tends to be the habit here.
And the origin of handicap is from hand-in-cap via hand i' cap and refers to a game requiring the support of a referee. Not exactly positive, but sod all to do with begging.
Posted Monday 19th January 2009 13:58 GMT
That I completely agree with the daft bint
Posted Monday 19th January 2009 13:58 GMT
Complete and utter PISH!
I'm sick and tired of all these fucking psycho P.C. numpties. Nutters, the fucking lot of them. Absolutely no grip on reality. If they try and punish the cons for using some of these common phrases, then, in the words of the Kaiser Chiefs, "I Predict a Riot"
Ms Moloney needs to remove her asshat, is clearly a daftie, and should remain dumb forthwith.
Capability Scotland are doing themselves no favours with this, and should bag the aforementioned eijit before she does any more damage. Whit a tube!
Posted Monday 19th January 2009 13:58 GMT
And they wonder why we've lost just about all respect for the Criminal Justice system?
"Equality and diversity manager" = Commisar
Posted Monday 19th January 2009 13:58 GMT
I work in a more civilized institution and can still be inpolite.
Posted Monday 19th January 2009 13:58 GMT
According to the handbook*:
"Political" should not be used as it has associations with politicians, and that offends pretty much everybody.
"Correctness" is derived from "Rectus": Latin for "bottom^H^H^H "right"
"Mad" has associations with mental health issues, which should never be alluded to.
I can now imagine Scottish lags shouting "Person wi' mental health issues? Are yoo sayin' ah'm a nutter?" followed by a swift headbutt and a few days in solitary... and all because of a without speech handbook.
* I don't actually have a copy, but I'm sure this is what it says
Posted Monday 19th January 2009 13:58 GMT
"..."handicapped", the latter axed because it derives from “cap in hand” which apparently infers disabled people are beggars."
A quick search, in what might be thought of as reliable reference dictionaries, shows that the word 'handicap' is derived from the phrase 'hand in cap'. This refers to the drawing of forfeits in an old game.
The word 'handicap' refers to a burden, placed on someone, which puts them at a disadvantage. The burden itself is regarded as being a forfeit drawn from the cap of fate.
These PC pillocks are twisting things to suit their own agenda and making stuff up as they go along. I don't mind them making up new words to suit themselves but I wish they'd leave the old words alone.
Posted Monday 19th January 2009 13:58 GMT
Time for the BBC to re-run the entire series. If the Prison Offices are like Mr. Mackay then I know exactly where these new instructions will end up...
As a reminder:
Mackay: "They're criminals, man!"
Barrowclough: "Ah yes but they're also human beings."
Mackay: "All right. But criminal human beings!"
Posted Monday 19th January 2009 14:10 GMT
I must add to the above that there wouldn't be so many woeful, counter-productive attempts at attitude reform (and this really is a great example of how not to do it) if there weren't so many people with mental health issues in prisons who should be in hospitals. Before you start, I don't mean that people who are a danger to others should be let out in the name of fluffy liberalism - it's just common sense that people with diminished capabilities who've made mistakes and ended up in jail aren't going to get better there, and all the feeble PC balls in the world isn't going to help that.
Man, I'm just making work for myself today.
Posted Monday 19th January 2009 14:10 GMT
Nope. Works both ways, actually.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/infer
Pedantry fail. Heh. Not that I mean to infer anything.
Posted Monday 19th January 2009 14:12 GMT
The Scottish Prison Service’s equality and diversity manager, Rob Hastings, defended that the guide "is not PC gone mad", concluding: "You have to keep chipping away at these attitudes."
I agree, it is PC gone completely and utterly mad!!!
I am normally the first one to go against foul language, but you still have to stay within reality, and Rob Hastings has obviously lost it to a point where one could say, he is completely out of touch with reality!!!
If he claims he needs to chip away these attitudes, then I would say, his need to be bulldozed over!!!
As I said, I dislike foul language and don have a problem with voicing my opinion, when adults use four letter words, while my children are in hearing distance. But on the other hand, those are adults and should be treated they way they are used to and not come against them in such an arrogant ¨We are better than you because we use better language¨ attitude!!!
Rob hastings is simply playing ¨King¨ and tries to imprint his (arrogant and despicable) character on his subordinates.
Just shows you who has the chip on his shoulder and has to have some of his attitude ¨chipped¨ away.
Posted Monday 19th January 2009 14:12 GMT
To some extent I support the work done here. People in prison shouldn't be abused, either by other inmates or by their custodians. The article quite clearly states that this should apply to prisoners just as much as those who guard them.
And Fuzzy Wotnot, it might be a good idea to consider properly why some terms have been created. "victims of sexual assault" for example is used out of respect for the victim. Think about it.
Posted Monday 19th January 2009 15:12 GMT
Jacob is correct. People (and other agents, like amanfromMars and possibly some computers) can both infer and imply. But statements, facts, descriptions and the like can only imply.
Try a strap-on dictionary next time?
Posted Monday 19th January 2009 15:12 GMT
To be frank, this disgusts me far more than the terms themselves. half of it is based on inaccuracies (handicapped) and the other half refer to terms that are only mildly derogatory. To be frank, life just isn't fair - I've been insulted a fair few times (some justified, others not) but WHO CARES? You're supposed to be adults. Get over it. Get on with your lives. Dedicate the time to something that actually matters. Remove the chips from your shoulders. Stop hiding behind legislation and go and DO something.
Bloody do-gooders. If you don't like the TV shows, don't watch them. If you don't like what's on the internet, don't use it. If you don't like people being insulting in prison, don't commit a crime.
I have absolutely no smypathy
Posted Monday 19th January 2009 15:13 GMT
Try a what now?
If that's true then English is even more ornery than I thought. You've got to love it.
Posted Monday 19th January 2009 15:29 GMT
Rephrasing euphemisms for mental health issues?
It's madness gone politically correct I tell you!
Posted Monday 19th January 2009 16:13 GMT
and another thing, i hear that the prison population is ballooning ! - howcome common criminals are offered expensive leisure activities when most honest hardworking taxpayers have trouble affording a basic holiday.
Posted Monday 19th January 2009 16:14 GMT
As a previous member of Her Majesty's Prison Service in Scotland, I would like to respond to this article.
It seems that as daftie and spaz are not fit for use, can I recommend we call the theivin'/murderin'/robbn'/rapin' scumbags the following:
1. Rocket
2. Zoomer
3. Sizzler
4. Numptie
5. Ba'heid
6. Scunner
Oh aye, @ Mike JVX
What prison was it you worked at then? I would like to know how you manage to get to the conclusions you have.
BTW, I agree that institutionalised racism and abuse of any kind should be addressed and eradicated, but these scummy bastids call the folk that wear the white shirts a lot worse, but yet again, its all about the criminal, never about the victim.
Wot a pile of shite.
Posted Monday 19th January 2009 16:14 GMT
"The Scottish Prison Service’s equality and diversity manager, Rob Hastings"
More tax payers money well spent then. Perhaps locking people in a small room also has an effect? Could Rob put them up instead? I am sure he has a nice house and plenty of spare room.
Posted Monday 19th January 2009 16:37 GMT
Learning difficulties.??
I dis like the fact that Learning difficulties.now means mad I have Learning difficulties. (I am servley dyslexic) but that dose not make me insane ...working with windows evry day for 5 years that is what had made me insane ....wibble
@@Sarah Bee - My dictionary is bigger than your dictionary ;-)
" Jacob is correct. People (and other agents, like amanfromMars and possibly some computers) can both infer and imply. But statements, facts, descriptions and the like can only imply.
Try a strap-on dictionary next time?"
are you implying (har) that the author of this pice is not a person??
Posted Monday 19th January 2009 17:06 GMT
"An impairment need not be a negative thing."
Er, sorry, but there is *no* reasonable etymology of IM-pairment that is not a negative thing.
Having said that, what's wrong with "negative" things? Which do you prefer: HIV+ or HIV-?
Posted Monday 19th January 2009 17:06 GMT
The only part referencing prisons specifically was that referring to a prison as a "black bstard" would generally be frowned upon by the majority of the population maybe not other cons, but generally the population in general.
I live in an area populated by drug addicts, the recently paroled and other ne'er do wells, so I have little time for the scumbags.
Though someone I worked with did time in saughton for possession of pot and almost died from appendicitis, as none of the prison officers who he complained of severe abdominal pain, took it seriously. Doc told him he was close to dying from peritonitis
Rare case hopefully, but goes to show there is no black and white.
Posted Monday 19th January 2009 17:06 GMT
Hopefully all the equality and diversity managers will be the first ones up against the wall when the revolution comes.
Posted Monday 19th January 2009 17:06 GMT
I partly agree with Sarah Bee's comments if the mental health issue has been robustly proven but the rest deserve everything they get so this nonsense should stop.
If you don't like it, don't do the crime!
Posted Monday 19th January 2009 17:07 GMT
"Dumb" to be changed to "without speech"? The last time I checked, "without speech" was the definition of "mute". Or was someone too "dumb" to look in a thesaurus? LOL
Posted Monday 19th January 2009 17:08 GMT
I'll ignore that cheesy last line there and point you to this interestingness of a few years ago
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2004/dec/06/prisons.crime
Shows how bad it is for everyone involved - prisoners, officers, society, the lot.
Posted Monday 19th January 2009 21:03 GMT
I don't think wardens should be allowed to shout "com'ya and suck on it, yo shite-licking muthafucka!" to the inmates. Howerver, preventing them from saying that the jailbirds "suffer" from some condition or are "handicapped" is so stupid that the originating person *must* *absolutely* be called a total moron. Looking forward to the next flu epidemics. I wonder if the wardens will be allowed to say that an inmate is "ill" or "sick". Shurely these derogatory terms must be avoided, as temporary fluctuations in health are, after all, part of who the inmates are...
Posted Monday 19th January 2009 21:03 GMT
Surely, the inmates according to Brookmyre are:
Nuggets
Zoomers
Screamers
Steamers
Bams
and
Rockets
Posted Tuesday 20th January 2009 01:28 GMT
Are we really discussing the importance of addressing another human being properly?
And this is the 21st century?
Thank god for the bomb?
Posted Tuesday 20th January 2009 10:14 GMT
You are a true scholar......
Give that man his own icon. :D
Posted Tuesday 20th January 2009 10:14 GMT
....hanging, transportation, Bedlam and the stocks!
Posted Tuesday 20th January 2009 10:56 GMT
The real problem is that we have prisoners in jail who have mental health issues, or who are mentally disabled, and our only solution to their problems is to deprive them of their freedom in a punitive fashion. So we punish them for their mental deficiences, which are none of their choice, or their making, and undoubtedly the major factor in their "criminality". This is just a tad up from gassing them.
As usual, the politically correct strain at a gnat and swallow a camel. They won't spend the money needed to address the real issue, so they just get us to talk about it nicely instead!
Posted Tuesday 20th January 2009 11:10 GMT
Seems to me the government will not rest happy until it has removed all free thought and legislated for every situation. We will all have to carry hand held devices. When someone asks you a question, simply enter it on the device and it will tell you what the allowed responses to such a question are.
FFS - what has happened to free thought? Did reality TV really numb the brains of a whole generation? Come on people wake up!
No need to abuse anyone, but teach decency and respect at an early age and get rid of the ridiculous burden of unfathomable legislature.
Mine's the one with FFS on the back....