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Sony has been telling anyone who will listen that its personal variant of Ultra Wide Band is the way of the future, and at CES has convinced Toshiba to go public and join with various camera manufacturers in endorsing the "standard". TransferJet is developed and owned by Sony, but at CES it has been Toshiba demonstrating devices …

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LOL, Sony hatefest.

Sounds like someone got burnt by HD DUD and had a agenda here..

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Microsoft's Surface

I think this would be brilliant in conjunction with MS' Surface product.. Bin Bluetooth (or not), and use UWB to move things from one device to another, or for streaming on the 'surface' device.

Brilliant. It would also have a slight security measure where it doesn't broadcast your device to 100m.

Like it, carry on!

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No matter

We don't want Sony's products either

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Sony all over

Sony seem to be wedded to their proprietary standards when most other manufacturers tend to use more open ones. Look at Sony's professional DSLRs, which have a slot for CF cards and a MemoryStick Duo slot that no professional photog would ever use. Same with their MP3 players, where you have to use Sony's own software, where most ofthers will let you use their devices as a plain vanilla UMS device. It's such a shame, because Sony's hardware is pretty good. At the end of the day it's all about money and maintaining consumer loyalty, though - get you hooked on Sony gear, when you want to go elsewhere for your electronics, you find they're not compatible so you have to stick with Sony.

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schweet

sounds just like a wireless memorystick ie. does everything other formats (CF, SD) already do but has "added value" (err sony patents)...

can i have mine with a drm rootkit, pleez

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we?

@ChrisInBelgium

If "we" didn't want Sony devices, then "we" shouldn't have bought Walkmans by the million in the 80s, or Playstations by the million in the 90s and 00s should "we"?

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Some schoolboy confusion here ...

UWB is a generic term for a type of modulation. Transferjet is a consortium of companies looking to standardise a particular implementation of UWB. It isn't a proprietary alternative to UWB. Bluetooth and Wimedia are the same basic idea: companies ganging together to standardise ideas. This is a Good Thing (tm).

While we're being pedantic, Wimedia only specifies up to the MAC layer, and wireless USB sits on top of the same MAC and PHY. The distinction between peer-to-peer and star formations is nonsense, ...

Actually ... let's save some typing: this article is a babbling brook of technical illiteracy. Has somebody's Sony laptop just bluescreened while they were downloading the latest series of the Gadget Show?

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Sony probably has the power to force such a standard

Like they did with Minidisc? Or IBM did with MCA or OS2 .

People don't want a custom dock for their cameras they want something that just works with anything.

Add in that compact digital cameras are going the way of the PDA and being merged into phones and I think Sony needs to stop sniffing the printer toner.

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Paris Hilton

What are the chances of that?

"Sony" and "Proprietary" in the same sentence?

I'm shocked!

/Paris - because her developments are open to all.

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Excellent news

Now lets hope they keep doing this useless "research", and waste all their time and money on things that are already out there in some shape or form, because eventually they should do themselves a mischief and die a painfully slow death, hopefully sooner rather than later....

As you can tell, not a fan of sony! :) PS3 is probably the only thing I would consider buying of theirs these days, and when shops bump UP the prices in the sales from December, why the f*ck would I bother??

Fanboy disclaimer: I already have a 360, had a Wii, got a DS, have an iPhone, have a samsung TV, have a macbook pro, an ACER Aspire, a HP Desktop, have multiple XP/Vista/Linux/OSX installs, and wanted HDDVD to win, and drive a Ford Focus.... thought it might be needed before the fanboys start telling me I'm wrong for considering getting a ps3, or that I'm a m$ whore, or an Apple whore, or a Sony hater.... well, that last one is true....

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Gah!

Why do Sony persist in coming up with proprietary protocols/interfaces/etc which no-one else in the world uses? When I was looking for a new mobile last year, I ditched the Sony ones simply because they used Sony memory cards (which I'd have to buy) and not micro-SD (which I already had).

Vendor lock-in sucks.

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Paris Hilton

Sums it all up nicely

"an increasingly desperate research team at Sony with a technology no one wants"

Sounds like pretty much anything Sony makes anymore, and I am guessing that if this shit ever does hit the fan (consumer market), it will cost an arm, a leg, and both testicles...

Paris, 'cause she isn't cheap either...

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nil points

'sony rallies chums round proprietary standard.'

Surely that should be 'sony rallies chums *a*round prop...' I'm not normally this pedantic but come on el reg this is in the heading.

Must try harder

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Getting ahead of themselves

They should ban Sony from introducing any new standards until they can demonstrate they understand the existing ones. I just got a new Sony Ericsson mobile, only to discover that the data cable on their latest range can't be used through a standard USB hub. Pathetic...

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DRM/Sonicstage etc

what's the obsession about Sony and locking you in,

my Walkman drag and drop ships with WM 11 but works with itunes

my HDD/DVD recorder has a USB with pictbridge and works with any camera or any drag and drop MP3 player

my TV has a USB which works nicely with my micro SD card in a USB adaptor to show photos and mp3s from my HTC touch pro (see I'm not a total Sony Fanboi)

or the dSLR which has a CF slot as opposed to a SD card which would mean my microdrive wouldn't fit

so tied me in rigtly there haven't they!

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Mark has a massive hardon for Sony

Why?

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Bean Counters Spoil the Soup

Sony, whom i have loved since the 70's, has sadly grown too big to be run by inventors and other actual people.

Instead, the bean counters dictate what is made available.

All the action in a trade show is in the little booths around the edge. You might infer an inverse relationship between innovation and booth size.

At 2009 CES here in vegas, Sony had a few football fields of space.

The "Little Guys" were very scarce, Many booths were no-shows.

One guy showed me a wireless HD streamer box and told me the company the made it for him closed their doors last week.

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WARNING - Contains personal venting

FUCK.........OFF...........SONY

That;s it really.

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Gates Horns

re: Sony all over

LOL, I just love the totally uneducated comments....

Firstly, Sony Walkmans havn't relied on Sony software for some time, they are MTP devices. You can drag/drop from explorer, use Linux or WMP11.

Doesn't everthing initially start as a Proprietary standards?

I mean come on, didn't Sony's other inventions, like CD and 1.44 Floppy disc start off as Proprietary, until they gained mass acceptance.

The fact that Toshiba have learnt their less speaks volumes. The Sony hate here is laughable, people really do cut off of their noses to spite their faces. I know so called "AV enthusiasts" that havn't bought Blu-Ray because it's Sony. Clearly they actually care about quality, they care about politics.

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@ Mark, Re: Sony's inventions

Philips invented the CD.

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Thanks, but no thanks

Much as I like Sony stuff, their habit of going all proprietry has annoyed me enough that my next point-and-shoot camera won't be one of theirs. I got caught out by one of their MicroMV camcorders (I should have done more research on that one) and the ever increasing amount of storage that calls itself Memory Stick is getting a bit confusing; Memory Stick, Memory Stick Pro, Memory Stick Duo, Memory Stick Pro Duo, Memory Stick Micro aka M2. It also doesn't help when most things will fit in an original Memory Stick slot (maybe with adaptor) but wether they work or not is a different matter.

Mind you, much as I'd like to say something about having a bit more of a standard like SD, we have SDHC, mini SD and micro SD, then various bastardisations on a theme like MMC.

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Sony ? well .. errr make mine a lager

@Sam Turner Worse. Twice in the middle of a firmware transfer to a controller, the vaio i had bluescreened and scrapped the controllers. had to send the processors back to factory for repairs.Crestron controllers are very expensive and this is unacceptable. That vaio is now used for unimportant mail and web stuff.

For the rest : trust Sony to make the wrong moves. I stay away from them.But on a lighter note. I have a portable 7 transistor Sony AM radio dating back to early 60's and it still works very well. Much of their professional stuff i work with is top notch. Yes they do have a bunch of stuff they invented and still do. Yes as a company ( service and sales ) they do suck , big time ( selling direct to important clients after a company made the sale , happened in Canada ) and all round being hard to deal with.But their equipment works and broadcast would be in shit without them. So ..

Though they are highly dislikeable , they do make stuff work.Proprietary or not if it works , people will buy it. Not because it's a Sony , simply because it works.People need simplicity, Auntie Clarice dosen't see the difference between an open and a shared proprietary standard.

All in all , i don't need it so why should i care ? :) Time for a few pints at the bar

Ric

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Gates Horns

re: @ Mark, Re: Sony's inventions

Both Philips and Sony actually.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_Disc

The point remains, everything is Proprietary until it gains acceptance. Is Blu-Ray Proprietary? of course it's not...

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Proprietary. LOL.

It's laughable how people have been brainwashed into thinking Sony produce Proprietary products.

The fact is, They make a format, if others don't want to join up, and do their own thing, that's their problem, should Sony just turn around and give in?

More often that not, the formats that Sony come up with are superior to what others are peddling anyway. Look at HD DVD vs Blu-ray, the superior format won out, it's a Sony tech and it's a quick look at CES this year will confirm it's far from Proprietary.

In other words, it's only Proprietary, because other companies are too up their own asses, or have invested their cash in their OWN Proprietary formats to join Sony.

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Thanks for the offer Sony

But Ta Ta.

Oh and you can shove blue ray where there ain't no rays

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Not Proprietary. LOL

The bottom line for most people is - can I use my Sony product with other non-Sony products? More and more it is yes, but it usually wasn't the case in the past. So you were restricted to using Sony products which always cost more than equivalents in the open market. Which is why Memory Stick, Betamax, UMD, Minidisc, ATRAC, DAT, SACD never dominated their marketplaces despite being generally better than the alternatives. Because they all simply cost more than the inferior but functional alternatives. The mass market won't pay more just because it is Sony.

Blue Ray is their only significant win recently and that is only because of the PS3, otherwise it would still be undecided. Better technology does not equal market winner.

I don't hate Sony - they have their own reasons for doing this - but I know I will not buy a Sony product (phones and cameras) restricted to overpriced MemorySticks.

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Props

Erm, I think I'd define "proprietary as "we invented and/or own the rights to this technology". Whether it is used by others is dependent on how much value they put on paying the originator the licence fees top do so!

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RE: Proprietary. LOL.

"More often that not, the formats that Sony come up with are superior to what others are peddling anyway. Look at HD DVD vs Blu-ray, the superior format won out"

Oh you did not just say that.... you filthy son of a b*tch! lol

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But the worst is yet to come:

Proprietary is one thing - one can maybe live with that IF the product actually works. Unfortunately Sony has the terrible habit of always, really always, of correctly implementing even the most stupid and corrupt DRM in exactly the way the exploiting b*stard lawyers asked for!!

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Paris Hilton

re: Proprietary. LOL.

"They make a format, if others don't want to join up, and do their own thing, that's their problem, should Sony just turn around and give in?"

Well, yes.

What if Sony wanted to use 87V 100Hz mains frequencies. Should we allow them or tell Sony to get with the bloody program?

What if they used a three-bladed screw head (half way between phillips and flat screwdriver) and their own thread pitch, should we just accept that we must allow this new standard.

PS look up what "propriatory" means. It means "their own personal format". So why the LOL? Humour unit broken?

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Hang on..

Sony get crucified for this, yet intel seem to get away with DisplayPort???

Anyone posting here about Sony is clearly having some sony hating delusional moment, or being paid to post this crap..

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Gates Halo

Re: Hang on..

Quote: "Anyone posting here about Sony is clearly ... being paid to post this crap."

IRONY!

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Paris Hilton

re: Hang on...

Including you?

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Sony,Only Bologna

Thinking back, seems to me that BetaMax FLOPPED!

One day I spent over $200.00 on a sound card that 2 months after I bought it, Sony DISABLED IT. (the wonders of the internet) and why so many people IGNORE "URGENT UPDATES".

Then there is the $300.00 Mini-Disc recorder that ceased to function for 2 years,

'cause $ony was TOO LAZY to enable their code to work with Vista, Like the OS was unexpected.

And then how 'bout a ROOTKIT....

Throw in some DRM,

AND YOU HAVE THE REASON(S)...

"I WILL NEVER BUY ANOTHER SONY PRODUCT"

PS: You can put M$ & $ony in the same s(t)inking boat, and set them afloat

& not showing what's in the pocket of the coat...what's that a drill and sawdust?

Blub,Blub,Blub....

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