Russian's emoticon trade mark won't wash with EU
JonB
Trademarks #
Posted Tuesday 16th December 2008 13:02 GMT
I think Smile intermittently use a :) emoticon as a trademark.
However, trademarks are only an issue when there is likely to be confusion between the trades. Thus, Smith the candlestick maker has no trademark issues with Smith the butcher until the butcher starts making bone candlesticks.
The Russian needed to copyright the mark to charge licence fees, and unfortunately for him there's prior art.
Andus McCoatover
19th Century?? #
Posted Tuesday 16th December 2008 13:02 GMT

"According to Wikipedia, emoticons can be traced back to the 19th century. The first documented use of a colon, hyphen and closed-parenthesis to convey happiness dates from 1982"
Wouldn't that be the 20th Century, or has someone substituted my blue lozenge-shaped anti-Dementia tabs for a placebo? (Viagra maybe?) © ;-)
Andy
:-s #
Posted Tuesday 16th December 2008 13:02 GMT

Surely 1982 was in the 20th Century?
Simon Williams
And what trade does ;-) represent, exactly? #
Posted Tuesday 16th December 2008 13:04 GMT

Doesn't the concept of 'prior art' apply to trade marks as it does to patents? In other words, the fact that millions of people have been freely using this sequence of characters for years before the Crazy Rusky tried to grab it should have prevented the trade mark being granted in the frist place...or do the characters not exist on a Cyrillic keyboard?
Smiley face, so sue me.
ShaggyDoggy
TM is not (C) #
Posted Tuesday 16th December 2008 13:04 GMT
The (TM) affix has totally no meaning in the UK.
(o) (o)
Dave Fox
@ Andus and Andy #
Posted Tuesday 16th December 2008 14:06 GMT

I think you misread the article. It says that * emoticons* can be traced back to the 19th century - the :-) is just a specific example, and that dates back to 1982.
From Wikipedia: "Although historical antecedents go back to the nineteenth century, the emoticon as we presently use it traces directly back to a proposal by Scott Fahlman in a message of 19th September 1982"
Rock Lobster
the prior art thing #
Posted Tuesday 16th December 2008 15:29 GMT

"Doesn't the concept of 'prior art' apply to trade marks as it does to patents?"
No, obviously not. Just think of trademarks like e.g. Apple or Sun, those words might be even a little bit older than the first use of emoticons ;) so how would anyone have been able to use register those as a trademark then, if there was such a thing as "prior art" for trademarks?
Anonymous Coward
Why should they? #
Posted Tuesday 16th December 2008 16:08 GMT

Usually the articles I read are the other way around. Russia is the wild west of internet and IP where anything goes. Internet criminals love hosting things in Russia because they know Russia will cordially extend their middle finger to anyone attempting to put the brakes on it.
Why should Europe (or the US for that matter) honor any intellectual property or trademarks coming out of Russia if they won't reciprocate?
Marvin the Martian
<they have effectively become descriptive terms in common parlance> #
Posted Tuesday 16th December 2008 17:00 GMT

It sounds the other way around, not
<<they have effectively become descriptive terms in common parlance>>
but
<<they have originated and remained as descriptive terms for common parlance>>
PH because it's a writing-dodgers topic
Alan Esworthy
I just do not care. #
Posted Tuesday 16th December 2008 17:00 GMT

So there!
(-;
James O'Brien
Hey Reg mods #
Posted Tuesday 16th December 2008 21:23 GMT

Any chance we can get this idiots....erm businessmans E-mail address so that I can email him with his trademark? Thank you ;-)
Daniel B.
Remember Despair? #
Posted Wednesday 17th December 2008 16:15 GMT

I remember that Despair trademarked the :-( emoticon in an act of protest; basically to show how stupid it was that someone could actually trademark such a thing. They "asked" for $$$ to use the :-(, but it really was more of a joke on the whole thing. They got slammed by the slashdotters who didn't get the joke.
I really hope this guy is pulling off a similar thing.
Rioblaze
PDF of that TM certificate #
Posted Wednesday 17th December 2008 19:08 GMT
here, PDF of that TM certificate:
http://russianpatentsblog.patentsfromru.com/2008/12/14/russian-patent-service-says-yes-to-trademarking/
Pascal Monett
Then they were two #
Posted Thursday 18th December 2008 11:52 GMT
So now the Patent Office of Russia is using the same guideline as the Patent Office in the USA ?
Somebody call a virologist, there's a worldwide outbreak of incompetence in public office.