The BBC's head of television yesterday declared that the corporation's output would next year feature less of Jonathan Ross telling Gwyneth Paltrow he'd "f*ck her", lest such choice language alienate viewers. BBC Vision supremo Jana Bennett said Auntie would “push back” the number of expletives gracing the airwaves, following …
rossy on that gormless birds show
rossy was on lily allen's show and it was embarrassing to hear how much swearing they could both get out. yeah, it would be bad enough to be on her show, but it was like a sponsored swearing competition, as if they were trying to be 'street'.
and i'm no fucking prude, but the gwyneth paltrow comment was a bit much (although very true)
Who Gives a S**t ?
The entire "Manuelgate" saga is out of hand. Now the Beeb anounce this new policy of reducing swearing.. So what? .. Our young folk are killing each other in the streets... Our way of life is constantly under threat from religious extremism and the bl**dy BBC is worried over offending some "precious" actor and reducing the intances of good old anglo saxon...For Christs sake get a little perspective !!!
ihope they dont start bleeping out on the comedy stuff like mock the week!
"anybody who tried to count swearwords"
"has got a rather limited existance?"
Ever seen the South Park episode 'It Hits The Fan"? The ancient Knights of Standards and Practices will be along shortly at this sudden increase in the use of cursed words...
And so, just like the aftermath of the Hutton Report, the BBC again agrees to lose any edge it once had in a desperate bid to remain so inoffensive that people continue to pay for it.
I bloody love the license fee (40p a day for all this?) but if the BBC keeps having to shy away from doing anything even slightly controvertial or testing then I really don't see the point. They're supposed to have the freedom to say things that aren't necessarily popular, now we're all going to end up run by bloody advertisers.
(And no, I'm not referring specifically to the Ross/Brand crap. Every now and then they go over the line and should apologise, but they shouldn't have their wings clipped so much they can only walk)
A title is required.
Yes, too much fucking is annoying, but you have to be sensible about it.
This morning they had to apologise when David Walliams said 'shag'. Shag pile? fine. Shag tobacco? fine. Shag a seabird? Fine. Shag a person? No, sorry... we'll have to apologise for that one...
Not that I give a toss about Ross / Brand-Gate, but to be honest it was starting to seem like, "Ooh look at me. I said a naughty word. Aren't I edgy and cool".
Maybe I'm getting too old, but Stephen Fry strikes me as an excellent of example of someone who can entertain without having to return to the playground.
Now I'm off for a mug of cocoa and a nice lie down... :-)
fuck the fucking fuckers
I've paid my TV licence, I expect to see full and varied use of all the wonderfully colourful aspects in the English language.
I see they're playing the "won't somebody think of the children?" card. There are very few "mainstream" expletives that I know now that I didn't already know and use at the age of 7. Albeit I'd never use them in from of the parents (at age 7, I mean ... now it's a different story). Which seems a tad ironic, my 7 year oldness censoring himself for the benefit of his parents -- "won't somebody think of the ... parents?"
In closing, 25 years of swearing hasn't done me any cunting harm.
After the watershed a audio message..
should come on and tell anyone who doesn't like swearing to f**k off.
Seriously, if you don't like it, don't watch it. Just don't complain and ruin fun stuff for the rest of us who don't give a s**t about a bit of swearing.
"anybody who tried to count swearwords on the BBC"
needs their fucking head examining.
Anybody who tried to count swearwords on the BBC...
Needs to get a f*cking life...
Ross wasn't swearing
It's a fairly well know colloquialism for that even worse euphemism "make love to".
So what happened to free speech? The BBC is funded by the taxpayer in a supposed country of free speech...yet they do not allow their entertainers this freedom! Why are they paying the likes of Woss and Brand all this money if they then tell them what to do???
Am I the only one who actually found what those two did funny? Mr Sachs was rude enough not to turn up on their show after being invited. Brand did indeed previously sh@g Sachs' grand-daughter so he never actually lied about anything!
What's the f*cking g*d D@mn motherf*cking problem with this c*nting government and it's agencies? Britain has lost it's sense of humour, it's banks, it's terrorists have even b*ggered off to India!! Is there anything left for us to enjoy or shall we all just move to Bridgend?
What a load of boll...
The easiest way...
...to stop Jonathon Ross from swearing on TV, is to simply not allow him back on the air.
That's all we need. Jonathon Ross back on TV, even if he's not swearing
Haven't we been here before?
“And now on BBC 2, Martin Scorcese’s Badfellas, which has been specially ruined for television”
“Did you fun my wife ?”
“No I didn’t fun your wife”
“Fun you, you muddy funster”
“Suck my cake, you cake-sucker”
“Suck my lozenge”
But that's all JR can do
If the bad language goes what else can Johnathan Ross do?
Paris because JR probably has done her as well
Is this a case of Aunty becomming Nanny?
Ross was on well after the watershed. If you don't like his style there is magic button people can press, its called "OFF". Why do these people bother if they know they are going to be offended?
Pass the coat - mines the one with "how to swear in 20 different languages" in the pocket.
Ahhhh f*** it!
I only watch the BBC to see some decent f***ing swearing so if they're going to f***ing cut it back, I'll stop f***ing bothering!! I remember once they showed a "decency dubbed" version of Robocop with all the swearing replaced by harmless words like "freaking" and "airhead" and so forth, it was hilarious but also rather puritanical!
What next? Nothing but endless Eastenders reruns on the BBC?? It's quite sad...I'm not a big swearer myself but I don't see any harm in it (except the word c*** which I just dislike) and if it entertains??? hmmmm
Mines the one with the starched white collar attached and the buckle hat hanging next to it
can we just have no jonathan ross instead, what a talentless clucking funt he is.
Why do swear words have to be justified? You hear them all the time late at night and in the pub. Surely a warning would suffice saying that the following program may contain swearing the same as violent and sexual scenes are warned about before films.
don't mind the swearing - its the leftie bias and the licence fee I object to
“Suck my lozenge”
Icon says it all.
Especially ruined for television indeed.
For years I never knew the BBC had cut Spaceballs as I hadn't seen it in the cinema, only found out when I bought the DVD and discovered when Dark Helmet goes to turn off the autodestruct and finds a note tagged "out of order" and says "Fuck! Even in the future nothing works!". Along with cutting the combing the desert "We ain't found shit!" and the "I'm surrounded by assholes" section shortened.
Actually I'm suprised they didn't retitle it "Spacesphericals", those muddy funsters...
"Am I the only one who actually found what those two did funny?"
nope, i thought it was hilarious and exactly what brand does everyweek, yes, he's a naughty boy, but that is what he does. everyone should go and find it and have a listen, pure comedy, as long as you understand what brand's humour is.
good to see andrew sachs furthering his career by appearing as manuel at the Prince Charles gig the other week, the silly, sad old turkey.
Some time in the distant past my daughter said that she didn't like Eastenders as it wasn't real.
"No one even says 'Bloody' ". She'd seen and heard her parents having mild disagreements over petty things and knew that no decent row is without a few choice words (she's now studying English).
How many fights have been in the Queen Vic with no-one going "Come on then, let's fuckin' 'ave you". Not ever a 'tosser' or 'wanker' - both mainstays of East End culture. Will we end up getting rid of Bill Shakespeare's stuff about 'purses' and 'daggers' ?
"Shag a seabird? Fine" - er, thats beastiality and is only fine on Four. !!
Suprised expression or one of contentment ?
@Other commenters who think the swearing is great
...you'll likely find that most people don't give a hoot about the swearing. Its true that if its placed in a strategic way in a sentence, then it can warrant a chuckle.
Ross and Brand are on significant BBC wages, and they sit in their offices prior to the shows and write f**k, s**t and c**t (only in special circumstances on c**t you understand) down on a script and call it comedy. It really isn't!!
Now if they write a truly awesome piece of comedy and throw in a swear word or two to enhance it, then all the better.
Anybody here used to watch 'Whos line is it anyway?' with neckless Clive Anderson prior to when the US took it on and cocked it up. Not a swear word to be heard (99.99% of the time) and had me literally in stitches. To me, Ryan Stiles, Colin Mochrie, and Greg Proops made that show.
Goes to show that swearing has very little impact on true comedy.
>So what happened to free speech?
The people who valued it didn't stand up to the authoritarian kill-joy 'I don't like it so no-one else should have it' types.
I Remember that Robocop!!!
They even replaced Scumbag with Crumb-bag. It was after 9.00 I thinkm I can hand;e the word scum!
Seriously though, If you don't like swearing don't watch it! Lifes too short to be offended by words.
Intercourse the penguin - the 21st century way
Can one say camel's toe on the BBC? Front bottom?
Don't limit swearing
I don't want Charlie Brooker beeped at 10:30 at night on a channel with about three viewers.
"Mr Sachs was rude enough not to turn up on their show after being invited."
Did he accept the invitation and then just not show up? If not, then I suggest you look up the distinction between "invited" and "ordered".
Don't Mention the Where?
article> the Andrew Sachs "Manuelgate" scandal also passed judgement on Ross's chat-up line to the US thesp
There isn't much about his present nationality I could confirm quickly, but apparently he was born German and immigrated to England (still German? See http://www.filmreference.com/film/29/Andrew-Sachs.html). Surprised me...
I watch the BBC every night, a tally up all the swear words then I write a complaint to OFCOM!!!! - I don't really.
Now the Internet reports the news faster than the new papers can, the papers need to find something to write about, so they go after the BBC because everyone pays for the service. The BBC will never win with the papers taking chunks out of them,
But I do agree Ross does swear a lot, I sometimes feel really uncomfortable watching him!
I swear freely and liberally (interesting but true choice of words) on a daily basis. But that doesn't mean I swear all the time or don't know any other words. Shock is often used to raise ratings and it can sometimes be pretty annoying if you have people apparently swearing just for the sake of it. But the BBC should be representative of everyone out there including the denizens of John Cooper Clark's immortal "Chicken Town" aka Salford. Middle England can fuck right off.
Lacking much in the way of brain cells, it's not surprising that Ross has thus far proved incapable of producing one original thought or one original sentence. An overpaid talentless adolescent, he (and the similarly puerile Brand) have benefited solely from the presence of so many other overpaid talentless adolescents in what passes for the BBC's production management structure.
It is from them that the cfry has gone up "we need Ross, we need Brand, to capture the yoof market".
And it is from the BBC's own newly published stats that the truth emerges: less than 20% of Ross's audience is aged under 25, and Brand's audience totalled 1/15th of that attained by fuddy ol' "Today".
In pursuit of the self-serving delusion that hey, we're young! We must be important! the Beeb's adolescent retards have been responsible for the epic waste of licence payers' money and the perpetuation of the myth that employing the likes of Ross and Brand is somehow "good" for national broadcasting.
That the inarticulate and immature Ross is to be allowed to get his snout back in the licence payers' trough says all there is to say about the failure of the publicly funded national broadcasting organisation. It's no longer a case of the sooner Ross goes the better but the sooner the better that the BBC's access to public funds is cut off. With the kind of ratings Brand was getting, no commercial outfit would've stumped up his salary, and for the kind of audience Ross is allegedly satisfying, only an outfit catering to morons on benefits would seek to employ him -- though where they'd find commercial advertisers wishing to target that particular audience profile, Gawd knows. But perhaps Ross could do it on Minimum Wage.
As for the earlier remark about Andrew Sachs being a silly sad old turkey, at least he's a turkey the nation took to its heart, unlike the Ross species that seeks to take everyone else into the gutter.
F***ing Gwyneth Paltrow
Yes Jonathan, I would too. Not expecting Cold Play to appear on your show next year, though.
Paris because JR and I probably would. Me first 'cos I don't like stirring someone else's porridge...
Oh, you were not eating, were you?
I'd like to know why swearing is already censored from the music on BBC radio but not TV. It's not just F-bombs either. The other week I heard Colin Murray (so after 10pm) playing Helicopter by Bloc Party and it had "bastard" wiped out of the lyrics - completely ridiculous. I'm sure that BBC TV has swearing aplenty at that time of night. Why the double-standards?
Re: Nanny state
"Is this a case of Aunty becomming Nanny?"
That's all very well but why should we have to pay (through the license fee) for something that we don't want to hear?
Jonathan Woss is a tw*t anyway. All he does is swear and laugh at "rude words". If he ever said anything genuinely funny, I must have missed it.
I bet he was the first to look up f*ck and b*stard when he got his first dictionary and pissed himself. Most of us got past that stage before we left school.....
@AC RE: Radio
Radio doesn't have a watershed - technically, you should never swear on it.
RE:Don't Mention the Where?
The US bit is referring to Gwynneth Paltrow, not Andrew Sachs. I had to read this twice before it dawned.
However, my main complaint is the money paid to Mr. Ross (and many of teh other BBC "talent").
£6,000,000 per year is a lot of money. I am pretty sure you could replace Ross with someone on only £1 million and still be guaranteed on getting someone talented, popular and entertaining.
£5 million would allow the exemption from the license fee of another 35,000 low income families, which should surely be a much better use of what is effectively my money than paying a single person, IMHO for £6 million quid of taxpayers money I would expect the BBC to employ Princess Diana.
So nobody at the BBC got it when he told Nigella Lawson she was "#1 on his list of MILFs" a year ago ?
It's terrible seeing the BBC dying like this bit by bit until it's just amorphous shit like the US channels. It would have been nice if the BBC could have survived into the internet era but it's just not to be.
Now I suppose I have no entitlement to an opinion, as I long ago used the ultimate OFF button and so don't have a telly, this its not my money they are spending.
Nevertheless, how about a radical experiment?
Ban ALL swearing on ALL broadcast media for a period of one year. At the end of that time, see whether people are still actually aware that there is no swearing.
I suggest this because I don't swear (no, not even when it slips out) (old Round the Horne joke, hence completely clean and smutty at the same time). People never believe this, "Oh, come on, everybody swears", but when challenged have to admit I do not.
Why not? Just never have.
What this says to me is that swearing is so much a part of many peoples daily failure of communication, that they are not even aware that it is there - or not!
The icon? Shhhh you know what.
"Ever seen the South Park episode 'It Hits The Fan"? The ancient Knights of Standards and Practices will be along shortly at this sudden increase in the use of cursed words..."
Yes I have (here in the US on Comedy Central.) The first airing on Comedy Central was completely unbleeped (they bleep a couple f-bombs but say shit all 162 times). People where shocked. SHOCKED! Actually they surprisingly weren't, there's still strict rules against swearing on the air here (see George Carlin's "7 dirty words") but recently they aren't much enforced. In general, stations are much stricter than they have to be (since the law's pretty ambiguous most stations don't want to risk a theoretically possible large fine.) Since they swear so much, this dragon like bursts out of some mountain hideaway and starts trashing the town. As Wikipedia says, :"Kyle destroys the dragon with an ancient magical rune stone belonging to a knight in the mystical Order of Standards & Practices."
Sack Jonathan Ross
Firstly there will be a lot less swearing coming out Jonathan Ross's gob next year as he wont be working with the Beeb for the next 6 months. Although I think the BBC should stop messing around with the licence payers money and sack this loser (does anyone actually watch his show anyway?? Ant and Dec are far more popular any day than Ross, and the Auntie handed them over to ITV along with Paul O'Grady - all top quality comedians that ITV probably pay a lot less for than the BBC pay for Ross).
The BBC does have some really good and funny comedians out there such as Chris Moyles, but Jonathan Ross is just a waste of space and a waste of the TV licence payers money. I am really annoyed that I am being forced to subscribe to this losers pay packet just because I own a TV and live in the UK.
Simple Technological Solution
I have an idea for a simple technological solution.
Whenever the sound of a swear-word is broadcast, it should be in opposite phases in the left-hand and right-hand channels. If you set your TV sound to mono, then the two will cancel out. It'll probably fuck up the rest of the sound effects, of course, but the sort of people at whom this is aimed probably don't care about that as long as they get to don't have to listen to swear words. If you leave it on stereo, then you will hear it as it was intended.
I think everyone should be happy with that -- unless they only have an old telly with only mono sound .....
No, not eating. And thankfully not drinking either; else you would owe me a new monitor and keyboard. thanks for the laugh!
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