BNP races to get membership list off the net
The BNP membership list containing over 10,000 names and addresses, which we revealed yesterday is still plastered over the internet despite the far right party's desperate efforts to get it yanked from websites. A message on the party's website from Nick Griffin, BNP leader, details the list leak and apologises to people having …
It's roaming wild through torrents, and there are quite a few copies on file sharing sites. It'll be near impossible to entirely remove it.
Given that the list has now appeared on The Pirate Bay, there's 'approximately' no chance that they'll be able to stop people getting hold of a copy quite easily...
Whilst I Know Its Laughable Everyone Already KnowS
Although I do not condone BNP's politics, it shocks me that in the UK, organizations (and public ones, moreover) may choose to prohibit their employees from joining a specific political party. I always thought that there was a democracy there... Guess I was wrong!
From BBC news website: Home Secretary Jacqui Smith [...] told the BBC News Channel she did not mind people knowing she was a member of the Labour Party, adding: "I wonder why it is that BNP members are rather more ashamed of their membership."
Now I'm no friend of the BNP, and their members *should* be ashamed, but as usual she's missed the point of why publishing the names and addresses of members of minority political parties might be a Bad Thing.
But a certain website known for storing leaks with a name similar to an on-line encyclopaedia has a copy, and I have doubts about how effective a take down notice against them is going to be! It's also on TOR, which means it's just about impossible to get it removed.
Oh how I LAUGHED when I heard this. sweet, so fucking sweet. bye bye BNP.
Brown trousers indeed!
The list is out there now in the public domain, try as it might the BNP is not going to stop distribution of this list. As much as part of me has sympathy for those members who's privacy has been breached, an equal part of me is laughing its ass off.
"Nick Griffin claimed the leak was good news for the extremist party because it showed its members were not "skinhead oiks""
Says it all really, well at least how narrow minded and limited in imagination Nick Griffin is.
A security breach is NEVER good news Nick, you prove yourself to be even less smart than I thought you were.
It appears to me that "skinhead oiks" are the only members of the BNP who take pride in their membership and boast of it. Whilst professionals and respected members of society (I use the term loosely) keep such affiliations very quiet indeed. This says more about the BNP than propaganda from either side of the fence ever could.
..the fact cops couldn't join certain political parties. Even if it does limit the BNP's reach, that's a little worrying.
Actually that's very bloody worrying. The state nor your employer should have the right to dictate your political leanings.
"He also said that some non-members had been maliciously added to the list." Of course, Nick. In fact, I'll bet that anyone who needs to now deny being a member will have been "maliciously added".
Quite impressive that there are more than 6,000 unique email addresses in the data (out of around 12,000 entries). And it's good to see that in reality there are hardly any BNP idiots in Scotland. But God help the midlands and the north west.
Oh, and what a range of organisations with racist nutters working for them! Email domains include mit.edu, mod.uk (oh dear), gov.uk (oh dear oh dear) and, delightfully, both Renault and Mercedes dealers. :-) Also, a surprising number of what must be ex-pats - Spanish and Australian emails addresses are quite common.
And they're claiming their Human Rights have been infringed! Wait, would that be those EU-initiated Human Rights? The same EU the BNP wants to withdraw from?
Of course policepersons shouldn't be allowed to be an active member of a group or society that keeps its practises and membership secret.
Its not saying they can't vote for whomever they want to, just that they can't be an active member.
The idea is to ensure impartiality of the police - so that each individual policeman is working on behalf of the State in general, not for one subset of society.
If that was allowed then they'd all be freemasons.
Glad to see even the BNP see themselves as a negative thing to be associated with.
You should see that Nick Griffin, he's running around like a blue-arsed fly trying to put the _____ back in the ______, but the poor misguided fool doesn't stand a chance.
Cat/Bag
Fart/Jar
Genie/Bottle
etc.
... now that it appears on Wikileaks.
there's a member from the north west whose e-mail address is comeonmyglasses@[a certain free e-mail service that nearly became part of microsoft but didn't due to excessive use of the symbol ! by el reg].
Creepy!
Quite simply, I think this will result in the BNP folding.
This is not necessarily a good thing - it provides a lightning conductor for a certain class of right wingers. Without the BNP, it is more likely that they will seek to redirect more mainstream parties of the right.
I have to admit I was in tears laughing at this yesterday. It's almost enough to make me believe in karma :)
I do respect people's rights to have their own political views, but I tend to draw the line when it involves hurting others.
Oh the irony - people might know! :D
I'm still chuckling
1. Search the list for BNP types in your local area
2. Run names through Google News
3. Match the member of the (cough) respectable right-of-centre political party with the crime report, gleaning a surprising number of hits
Oh, how we laughed
...so people are to be pilloried in this "free" society for supporting/being a member of a political party? They are hounded out of jobs, ridiculed and generally abused.
Remind me who the fascists are; the BNP or the anti-fascists doing the above?
The BNP and their members may well be a bunch of muppets, but I support their right to be muppets. Unlike the anti-fascists who cannot see the irony of their own actions.
I love it he's claiming DPA breaches - fair enough,
Theft and reciept of goods erm it's a digital list of members hardly something you could buy or sell is it..
Human Rights Act - he's having a giggle isn't he... what about the "Human rights" of the people many members of his party activly don't want here erm ophs they don't count I guess.
Me sure brits first, Johnny Forgieneer second but that's a fine line..
Well Guess I'll be off somewhere later I wanna laugh..
I noticed a local Green Party candidate on the list...
Well, just had a look at the list and noticed at least one specific address that doesn't exist. The road isn't in the town specified, the post code is wrong for the town and the phone number prefix doesn't match either the town listed, or the incorrect post code...
Looks to me like the whole thing is a fake...
Are you or have you ever been a member of the Communist ^h^h^h^h^h^h^h British National Party.
I have in my hand a list of people that I downloaded from a torrent as being members of the party...
Quite a few retired or former police officers on that list, plus one who seems to be a serving officer. And they wonder why we think the police force is "institutionally racist".
It appeared on wikileaks....
Then there would be no way it could be taken down.... alledgedly..
I wonder when the MP expenses list will appear .... you know, the one that they would rather no one knows about because it is so incriminating/damaging/revealing.
Is anyone running a book on the likelihood .... and as for the Gravy train which pays for all those Campbell types to hide/massage/plagiarise the news rather than just share its novel invention/programmed course/Field Programmable Gate Array .... well now, that would also be educational.
A few points. Human Rights legislation is UK Law, The Human Rights Act - not EU law. People talk of the European Convention on Human Rights which is a directive for member states to legislate, we already had the legislation long before this directive, and it was tweaked to comply.
The other point is that New Labour have made hate-filled legislation against non-trilateral political parties and uses their left-wing Union-funded lackies to carry out hate campaigns. This is why the BNP et al need to keep their membership lists private.
After WW II there was a specific ban on people joining or organising fascist groups, for obvious reasons. AFAIK this ban hasn't been appealed for public servants and it is a serious issue for them, I think you sign a piece of paper saying that you will not join such an organisation when you take up employment - you certainly used to in the olden days.
A lot of the anti-nazi types used to try and use this law to stop NF/BNP/et al from organising or speaking in public, but of course the slightly calmer view was that these idiots should be allowed to speak because it becomes very obvious that their opinions are valueless when they open their mouths.
I'd rather have an open debate with these folk than allow them the veneer of respectability a ban gives them. There's an old quote "I disagree with what you say, but I would die in order protect your right to say it" (wording may not be right). I agree with this view, personally, and it is the exact opposite of what many NuLabur and BNP people believe - in fact, don't forget, Oswald Mosely (pre-war British fascist leader) came out of the Labour party.
I honestly didn't know Wacky Jaqui was in any political party of note - she certainly acts like no-one else in the universe exists and would doubtless be very keen to ban any speech she doesn't like. Be careful what you wish for, it might come true. There's a sad example of a big campaign against porn somewhere in the antipodes in the 80's where the first thing the cops did when the law was introduced was raid the left-wing book shops and confiscate all of the literature aimed at lesbian and gay people - be VERY careful what you wish for, they might take it down as evidence and use it against you.
. . . if Jaqui is so smug about why people who are members of the BNP should want to remain anonymous, would she be so good as to post a full and complete list of those people who donated money to NuLab ?
No ?? What, you mean that because that money has bought votes in government, thats fine, but heaven forbid that a person joins a party of their choice and doesn't want their name dragged through the mud.
Remember, we live in a country where a Paediatrician has been beaten up and had their house damaged, due to the lack of education and where someone else was beaten up due to having the same name as a leaked paedophile.
BNP members are always angry. That's why they joined the BNP.
Has anyone on here actually read any of the official BNP policies?
Just wondering, because most of the negative responses seem to have been lifted directly from the Daily Wankwad (this covers pretty much every hyped up newspaper in the country really).
As exclusively revealed by The Daily Mash
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/bnp-not-just-policemen%2c-reveals-secret-list-200811191408/
"Wikileaks servers are currently overloaded by extreme popularity".
I suppose a DDOS attack is one way to stop the list from falling into anyone else's hands.
to Wikileaks.org today?
Keeps timing out on me...
Strange they feel the need to use the Human Rights Act when the BNP officially opposes the introduction of the act into British Law.
well I suppose it is a breach of the data protection act, and it would appear computer system were compromised to get that list, so the miscreants should be bought to heel.
And it is bad day in British liberty when it gets so publicised that for your political affiliations you will be denied jobs, food and freedom, and somehow this is legal and accepted, it is certainly not moral.
But so what, if you are member of the tuffty club, the knights that go ni, or the masons, does it really matter, what matters is freedom and the rights of the individual. What we should be doing is ensuring the police have fewer powers, and more checks on them. If people are breaking the ethical laws when they are in a position of authority, there should be people checking up on it, and making sure they are suitably punished.
I would be kinda interested in a list of labour party membership, perhaps they have people on the police force, they could be selectively enforcing based on race and political affiliation, that would cast doubt on a lot of convictions, were they politically motivated, was a particular race more targeted by a labour policeman ?
It would be amusing if the BNP did get power next time, I am pretty sure labour party membership would find itself outlawed, who knows they might take the higher moral ground though.
course policepersons shouldn't be allowed to be an active member of a group or society that keeps its practises and membership secret.
Its not saying they can't vote for whomever they want to, just that they can't be an active member.'
This is sort fo true, if your going to ban police from being an active member of The BNP then you have to ban police from being a active member of any political party.... That doesn't mean they cant vote for whoever they want to.
I always find it strange how nobody in the BNP doesn't just say 'you know what we are racist, so what, in a democracy you are allowed to think how you like.' Instead of lieing and using some sort of false intelligence and warped logic to justify their position.
"Its not saying they can't vote for whomever they want to, just that they can't be an active member."
The distinction is sufficient enough to imply that we should be able to impinge upon people's democratic rights just because we dislike their political opinions. It's still wrong.
I rather liked the one who is described as "Active Odinist" (probably a typo for Onanist, like the rest of them). In fact there are rather a lot of pagans on the list, perhaps once you take an interest in one redundant outmoded organisation you tend to join others?
Whereas I strenuously object to the goals and methods of the BNP, the *are* a legal, registered political party. The news that I'm hearing that certain companies and even government departments are thinking of making membership in this legal political party a firing offence is, to say the least, scary.
It's scary in its implications on a supposedly free society. Of course, the UK has been heading toward a police state for quite some years now, but it's always worrying when so many citizens are happy to jump on such an anti-freedom bandwagon. It's a very slippery slope from there to a truly fascist society.
Now, if they strengthened the anti-hate laws, and the BNP fell foul of them, I'd be first to cheer. But right now the BNP is a legal, registered party, albeit to the far right of the political spectrum. Let's not act like savages and give them an even stronger platform to stand on.
I'm a bit disappointed in the readers of El Reg? Where's all the privacy and liberal instincts usually on display?
Not that I didn't laugh at this story. But I was expecting rather more comment of the 'what people choose to believe is their own private matter' type.
Personally I'm for a bit more tolerance in this country, because our public space is becoming a rather nasty place (with loving thanks to our 'esteemed' tabloids* and New Labour government amongst others).
Black Helicopters and anonymous, because my subscription to 'Ovine Appreciation Weekly' is bound to come out eventually...
*Yes Daily Mail, this does include you...
> Quite a few retired or former police officers on that list, plus one who seems to be a
> serving officer. And they wonder why we think the police force is "institutionally racist".
Quite a few plumbers and bricklayers on that list, and they wonder why we think the building trade is "institutionally racist"
Quite a few bus drivers on that list, and they wonder why we think the public transport industry is "institutionally racist"
etc etc
First a disclaimer, I'm not a member of the BNP, not a Facist, not racist or homophobic, just a believer in law and order and democracy.
Under democracy, the BNP has the right to exist as a political party, as long as they obey those regulations that are supposed to govern political parties. Those many councillors and other elected officials who refuse to meet / interact with elected BNP members are basically being un-democratic, basically being enemies of our democratic system by refusing to work with democratically elected councillors etc.
Banning the BNP won't work and is a failure in a democratic system.
Years ago, the major political parties were given a wake-up call when the Green Party began winning votes and seats and becoming a serious threat to the satus quo, because voters were becoming concerned about Green Issues. They did not refuse to work with elected Greens, they did not try to ban the Green party. What the major parties did was to address the isues that were winning the Green vote. Result? Well, where are the Greens now?
The BNP are winning votes because they appear to be addressing issues which are of concern to a growing minority of the public that the major parties are not. If the major parties want to remove the BNP as a serious threat, what they have to do is to address the issues that are winning the BNP votes. When they do that, they will see off the BNP threat to the staus quo, and they will vanish back into the political undergrowth.
That's the way democracy works.
How come there are people on there who cancelled their membership because they emigrated? I thought the BNP was anti-imigration? Did these people not realise that if you emigrate to another country you become an imigrant?
I've seen the list, and the best bit is all these anti-immigrationists who are living abroad - I wonder whether the five who live in France are also members of the French National Front, or are to the French National Front what all these immigrants to Britain are to them?!
Paris, because she's always full of foreign bodies.
This is actually quite a serious leak. Don't forget that whatever the views of these people they are just that - normal people. Having a political view is not a crime - and to all those who cry 'racists! racists! Hang the racists!' have you actually taken time to look at BNP policy. I make a point of looking at all (well, not the Lib Dems) party policy and only a small proportion [from the BNP] is about race. They do have a bad image granted, but before cries of racism lets have some concrete examples please!
And to everyone jumping on the media bandwagon and labelling all BNP members as racists, don't you think it's a bit stereotypical? It's a bit like saying *all* Muslims are evil and want to blow us up, don't you think?
Ah well, I'm sure the publisher of the list will sleep soundly if anyone on said list actually suffers harm by it. They same point could have been made in so many different ways - publishing a list of the jobs that members have for example. Yet another case of a political agenda shitting on normal people.... bit like the Iraq War (Fuck the people - I wants me oil)
When people condone the highly illegal breaches of every data protection law we have, just because they disagree with a political stance.
This was marked as being an 'inside job', which means someone authorised to have the info simply walked off with it. It's not a security breach in "an external cracker got into our systems and lifted it".. It's a case of someone who was put in a position of trust decided to breach that trust.
Whatever the rationale, if that person is discovered, they should NEVER work in a sensitive data environment ever again. If you disagree with something, by all means, walk out, but don't screw over your organisation, and all the affiliates.
As to Jacqui Smith saying that she didn't mind people knowing she was a member of the Labour Party, would she mind everyone knowing her home address(es), email and telephone number? Her kids' details, and the rest of her family info? Don't think that would fly somehow.
Personally, I find it weird that you can be a member of a hard left organisation with nobody batting an eyelid, yet join a hard right, and you're automatically evil (both sides are pretty much nasty). And having non-terror parties on a membership blacklist for certain professions?
As long as it doesn't influence their day to day job then why the hell do people care (apart from creating a bogeyman for everyone to 'fear' and be 'protected from').
And of course 'respected members of the community' keep quiet largely about BNP membership. Everything that's ever said about it is in vilification. As soon as that's brought up, anything else someone may have done is automatically ignored, and that membership becomes the be all and end all; this is about the only political party I know of that this happens with. So much for freedom of political expression!
I don't really agree with the BNP (being very much middle of the road), but hey.. Just because I strongly disagree with their policy shouldn't mean I have an automatic right to censor them. And I certainly don't have the right to expose their details to their absolute extreme opposites, many of who will almost certainly not be above the use of violence and directed hate campaigns.
So, if anything, this release if details is pretty much an incitement to the commitment of hate crimes. Which is a Bad Thing(TM). Worse than the BNPs homegrown bigotry.
Francis Fish : I'd rather have an open debate with these folk than allow them the veneer of respectability :
totally agree, but our current crop of "do as i say "politicians are unable to have reasoned debate without resorting to personal attacks..........
What should be more worrying is that the erosions of our freedoms are giving more and more credence to the policy's of this party,and more and more people are genuinely feeling left out of the political process.......
While government runs headlong down the hill of the surveillance society, more and more people will turn away from the mainstream parties and choose to vote on local issues and the BNP among other parties will gain support.
As for the list , personally i dont give a damn who's on it ...
If your job specifically forbids you from being a member of this party it would be stupid to have joined imo ...but we can all pick out certain "clubs" that Public servants shouldnt be in : freemasonary, opus dei are these open and above board ??? i dont know and am not likely to know...but i do know that trying to outlaw people only gives them publicity and has the opposite effect to what was intended..
On a historical note : The Nazi party in Germany were actually socialist but then again i have never been able to tell the difference between Nazi ,Fascist and Communist the outcome for joe public was just the same.......Nulabour /Old Thatcher no differance really its just a title.
