French record labels sue, um, SourceForge
The French music industry is suing four US-based companies for distributing P2P applications that can potentially be used to illegally share music. Société civile des Producteurs de Phonogrammes en France (SPPF), a group representing French record labels, is targeting Limewire, Morpheus, and Vuze (formerly Azureus) in the legal …
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That and the recent UK laws against your standard sysadmin toolkit makes me wonder how many IT folks are going to be jailed in the next 5 years or so. Seems that now any form of communication software is illegal to own, distribute or make available? Maybe they should just round up anyone with a computing device and slap them in jail as a preventative measure? After all, that horrible TCP/IP could potentially be used to share music.
Bunch of wucking fankers. the lot of them.
French record labels indicate surprise when the removal of SourceForge from the planet didn't stop music piracy. Shrinking war chest funding forces them to merge with the RIAA and the few remaining record labels that are failing to deliver what their customers want to attempt to "use economics of scale" and "Harmonic Synergy" in a last ditch effort to support suing their last few customers who actually buy CDs.
I think banning the Internet in France is a GREAT idea!
Firewall them at the border. That should work.
This is the equivalent of a bank thats been robbed, suing Ford ford making the transit van. Because transit vans are commonly used for theft, and the transportation of stolen goods....
GET A GRIP YOU MUPPETS.
Sourceforge has in NO WAY been responsible for the infringement of any record labels copyright.
Where did they get these lawyers from, "IP Law for dummies...."
"Hell, the entire Internet itself could be banned in France. "
If only...
I'm sick to death of these fucktards, no matter which country they're from. Why are our governments, which are supposedly representing the people, bending over backwards to protect the media companies? I know, I know -- money, bribes, corruption...
File-sharing protocols can be used for good or for bad. And yet the governments of multiple countries (France, US, and UK, at the very least) want to make it so that the authors of file-sharing software somehow have to "filter out" copyrighted content? [side note: In my first-draft before reviewing, I wrote "yet the governments of multiple companies..." Freudian slip?]
First of all, there is literally no way to do this. Even if they had a table of md5 hashes, all people would have to do is add one byte to the end of the file, and it'll no longer match the hash. And how can the authors possibly even check each file against the billions (trillions?) of copyrighted works in existence?
But more importantly, is there ANY OTHER INDUSTRY which is held to this ridiculous idea? Do auto makers have to make sure their autos are not used for illegal purposes (speeding, reckless drivers, ignoring stop signs and stop lights, allowing drunk drivers, etc)? Do the alcohol brewers and distributors have to ensure that people don't drink too much and become abusive? Do gun makers have to find a way to make sure their weapons aren't used for illegal purposes? In all of those cases, the answer is a resounding "NO". And those are industries in which those restrictions would actually save lives. But we'll enact such ridiculous legislation on file-sharing software to protect the interests and profits of private corporations.
Like Kentucky, just cut France and her dominions off the Intertubes!
Walla!
"TorrentFreaks, which flagged the story, notes enforcing a ban on platforms that can be used to distribute unauthorized content is certainly ripe for abuse."
and reporting a story about security officials leaving laptops on trains wouldn't be authorised, would it, so that would mean any newspaper ......... oh, sorry - was that the sort of platform you meant that people should distribute stuff on - the ones at Vauxhall and Waterloo?
Shouldn't it be possible to sue the labels themselves for selling CDs that can be copied easily? Aren't they supposed to provide "a way to block the transfer of unauthorized copyright works"?
PH, because the lawmakers were obviously clueless
You can add Windows File and Printer Sharing, TCP/IP, and the whole Microsoft Windows Networking architecture to that list. Only solution - ban Windows. Er, Linux and MacOS have similar architectures as well. Ban them too. Oh, and modems and routers - these definitely facilitate copyright infringement. Yeah, ban the Internet AND all other forms of computer networking, that'll stop those pesky freetards!
Wait... Floppy disks, CD-Rs and DVD-Rs can also be used to copy stuff. So can USB sticks and external HDDs. Better ban those too, just in case.
Maybe France should simply ban computers and be done with it!
But I can't get real mad at it today for some reason. Best I can come up with is that going after P2P because it can be potentially used for doing something illegal means that you should also go after sellers of guns, knives (kitchen or other), pencils, large rocks, razors... hell, anything, as they can potentially be used as a murderous weapon.
Concluding comment on web browsers and mail potentially being illegal in France is stupid, as per your own above description of the law:
"enforcing a ban on platforms that CAN be used to distribute unauthorized content is certainly ripe for abuse. What else CAN be used to distribute content illegally? Oh, say, FTP, web browsers, and email. Hell, the entire Internet itself could be banned in France.."
"DADVSI copyright law, which includes an amendment barring making available software that's INTENDED to distribute unauthorized protected works."
Understood the difference?
Now we're left to see if the tribunal decides limeware is intended to distribute blablabla. And indeed, let someone try to sue browsers companies, and that day you'll see the difference between "intent" and "ability"
I think the best part of this story is LimeWire and Morpheus. Has anyone used those particular programs since... 2005 or so?
I really don't get this, why are they always going after the wrong target? why don't they simply order all ISPs to block the servers that participate in illegal music/movie/software distribution?
P2P is legal and is going to be the future method of distribution movies, software and patches.
any way, I stopped caring sometime ago.
I predict the return of minitel in France.
read about it in the online trivia bazaar here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minitel
It would be nice to just ban all communication. paper can be used to print lyrics and thus infringe on music IP rights. solution: ban paper and you also ban the lawsuits.
Still waiting for the digital revolution.
down with the bourgeois interweb
Blacklist all french ip adresses from accessing any opensource projects. Permanently.
...is a bad idea. The French will always be "The French", and I doubt that anything will change that fact. Like it or not.
Good job that ban worked too, or there would be no music left to pirate now.
Still, if they do decide to ban the internet I do still have a cassette recorder attached to my radio.
If only I had some cassettes...
>Hell, the entire Internet itself could be banned in France.
I think we should be pro-active here and just ban France from everything..
You might mock the biblical tale but if you look at it as recounting an earlier form of global warming with rising tides and whole countries disappearing under the sea then there might be a sound basis for it.
The saying that those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it may also soon be true.
Where the technology is being used almost exclusively to enable users to commit copyright infringement then it should be banned.
Those responsible are the pirates and thieves who abuse potentially useful software.
Yes of course we all know there are legal uses for P2P - but if you are looking for someone to blame for clampdowns like this, blame the pirates who abuse it.
As they ban all postal services (could carry pirated disks), transport (ditto), destroy all roads ( whose main purpose is to carry aforementioned transport), including railway lines and airport runways.
Not forgetting to smash all radios (pirate radio stations).
At least then we will not have to cope with their smelly armpits!!!
...will France then sue the French postal system?
Paris because, well, even she'd realise this is a dumb piece of litigation.
Since when was there any French music worth copying in the first place?
I'm sick to death of the theives that refuse to pay for music.
If you like the music, stick your hand in your pocket and get some money to the guys who made it - all the way down the chain to the musos who performed. Otherwise wait for it to come on the radio - or don't listen to it. But don't come up with feeble excuses for stealing, like justifying it on record companies' over pricing (even if it's true)....
As for the law suit - well it's frivolous, stupid - BUT WILL COST THE OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITY A LOT OF CASH DEFENDING IT..... So now the open source community as well as the musicians and other workers in the music industry has to pay to support or defend the mentality of the many undesireable members of our community.
So I'd like to ask - how many music and video file sharers will stick thier hands in their pockets and hand over cash to defend Source Forge????????? Do I detect a deafening silence, broken only by the same lame putrid excuses for theft? Thought so.
Thumbs down for the court case and the theives.
"illegal means that you should also go after sellers of guns, knives (kitchen or other), pencils, large rocks, razors... hell, anything, as they can potentially be used as a murderous weapon."
And the manufacturers of the above. And any shipping company that has ever moved them, or machine tools that have supplied the manufacturer.
How about a better alternative - one in which all music is outlawed in France?
...as they can be used to share anything if your computer happens to be running, well, any version of Unix from the late 1960's onwards. Hang on, I could create a low quality MP3 on a BBC Micro and share it as a data tape to other BBC Micro owners. Or a stack of punched cards. Or a reel of punched paper tape.
Or why not just burn a CD copy? Time to ban CDs then. Take away people's cars as they can drive to a friend's house with a copy, and while you are at it chop their legs off for good measure because they could walk round instead.
""Hell, the entire Internet itself could be banned in France. ""
we can not let that happen world of warcraft servers and hosted in france!!!!
This is the way they do things in France. Therefore it's the right way and it's the rest of the world that's got it wrong, as usual.
Anyone who can see any flaws in this argument is, by definition, not French.
You can always spot anyone dealing with a project that involves France. They have brickwork stencilled in relief on their foreheads.
Two of France's biggest telecom operators, Orange & SFR, are pushing FTTH throughout Paris.
Not the Paris on the picture, the other one, the city, and no, it's not in Texas.
I should know, starting from Thursday, I'll be "banned from using the internet" with a 100M download and 50M upload FTTH connection.
@The Flood Is Come...
It's like they want the technology 'un-invented'. The world has changed. It was techology that created the recording industry. They were fortunate that making decent recordings was hard. Now it's a lot easier. First we copy their works, then we make our own. They can see this coming...
@Boggle
Just because you are breaking the law does not mean you WILL be arrested and gaoled. It just means you CAN be arrested and gaoled. Selective enforcement. Phorm and BT can break the law but some folk will be arrested. It all depends on who's side you're on.
@why not block the servers?
They probably will. But making P2P illegal except for corporations who pay a licence fee may offer the authorities some sort of control over the Internet. Most people's idea of freedom is free porn and free movie downloads. However an effective ban on that will have the desired effect of banning free speech. After all they are trying to get the brewers to close pubs or at least turn them into clubs where you are recorded when you enter and the music is too loud to talk. All communication needs to be monitored and we make it easy for them by doing it electronically.
"DADVSI copyright law, which includes an amendment barring making available software that's intended to distribute unauthorized protected works."
And this is were the SPPF may get hurt. In french the law states "manifestement destiné", which may be interpreted by judges as "the sole purpose of the software". This will be, I think, the main line of defence of the four companies.
I have, however, a rather bad feeling, as french justice may be sometimes really computer illiterate and totally miss the point.
so sue my ears and my mouth.
P2P is only a tool, it's the use of the tool which may _potentially_ be illegal, not the tool itself.
What silly people and obviously a quiet day in France.
ttfn
PH 'cos Paris is in France.
Xerox, Konica, Canon and anyone who makes photocopies (you can copy books you know)
Cameras (ditto)... Microphones...
Makers of sharp pointy things that could be used as needles (including but not limited to needles, pins, small nails, toothpicks...), rotating devices and wax...
The problem is that information is merely a pattern of something - and if a pattern can be made in the first place it can be reproduced... with varying degrees of fidelity...
Oh sh*t... caught myself humming a tune I had heard earlier... please amputate my ears before they arrest me (or would ripping out my tongue suffice?)
"As they ban all postal services (could carry pirated disks), transport (ditto), destroy all roads ( whose main purpose is to carry aforementioned transport), including railway lines and airport runways."
Done, La Poste where I leave is only delivering 70% of the letters at the right address. Railways is done also, crushed with weekly strikes (like this week). Air traffic, done also on strike, this week. Roads are on the way, all toll highways sold for half their prices to greedy companies that are raising prices 10% per year, making it flying less expensive than the toll only.
"Not forgetting to smash all radios (pirate radio stations)."
On its way, all medias nowadays belong to 3 blokes, so competition is not happening.
If they begin to screw internet, I'll leave the country.
WTF? Please stop your knee from jerking in future and read befor posting. I think you will find that Mr AC was using part of our collective folk history to make a poetic point.
France is the country that has (had?) a law which *forces* radio stations to play French music. To "protect" their Gallic culture, they are obliged to broadcast a certain percentage of indigenous music.You'd think they'd be begging people to listen to the stuff for free, not sue them!
p.s - the only french artiste I like is Olivia Ruiz (got the CDs). Nolwenn was *hot*, but her post-Star Ac stuff has been pants.
Paris, cos being inside that version would be infinitely more fun than Département 45.
It can be used to redistirbute unauthorised copies of copyrighted work.
If there is a judgement against SourceForge then it's difficult to see what the French courts can do. It's not like Google who make money in many countries and have some for of legal presence there for commercial reasons. I suspect that the worse that the French courts could do is to get ISPs to block local access to the Sourceforge website ,which wouldn't go down to well in France and would, I suspect, have very little effect on Sourceforge itself.
As for the intent versus capable thing - well intent is difficult to prove where there are legitimate uses for software. It don't mean that the French courts won't take that view - but national interpretations would vary on this.
Much better idea is we invade France for once. This has many more benefits over and above the Interweb at large. We can then give them our sensible laws... like the one that says backing up your music collection is STILL illegal. I wonder if our French cousins would find that a refreshing and liberating law like we do?
>Hell, the entire Internet itself could be banned in France.
Maybe this is a secret French plot to revive Minitel?
I currently live in France, and have found the perfect solution. I have simply purchased a disused radio telescope, hooked it up to my wifi card with a couple of alligator clips, and connected to my parent's wifi network in Victoria, British Columbia. Ahhhh Canada, my home and native land, where downloading is legal, but "making available" is not.
I'm currently selling bootleg cds of music for 1 euro less than the price in the shops, and predict retiring to Aruba by mid-2009.
Aliens, because, well, I pick up their wireless networks too...
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The French songs/ artists I know are
Youssou N'Dour & Neneh Cherry 7 Seconds , Daft Punk, Air and Frere Jacques.
I recommend that the remedial action taken to solve this issue is the blocking of the entire of Frances' IP range from all SourceForge websites to prevent the French from downloading the application. Anybody from France found using proxies or alternative routing services to access SourceForge websites is obviously accessing computer systems illegally, and should be extradited to the US for prosecution.
I somehow think that a lot of pressure will be put on the Government when the Techs at the major ISPs can't update their SNMP traps and reliability becomes one 9, not 3. See the flock leave the shepherd.
