Half of Brits abuse apostrophe's
Whitter
The poor state of professorship #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 13:21 GMT

Emeritus Professor of Phonetics at University College London .. suggested ... we could ... leave a space... Have we really nothing better to do with our lives than fret about the apostrophe?
Replacing a mark in a specific place with a space in a specific place doesn't solve the problem at all. Perhaps we should fret more regarding how dipsticks like this got to be professors.
Mark
it ain't easy #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 13:21 GMT
When do you put an extra 's after a world that ends in "s". Etc.
Lots of the rules don't really make sense. They were latin rule shoehorning beside a germanic construct with french words added in for good measure. In an arabic alphabet. Modified to fit in with what was figured at the time to be acceptable and agreeable.
Of course people get it wrong. We're trying to obey a "law" that has so many "unless" or "except" clauses punching holes in it, you have to be an English Major to have remembered them all.
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Toby Rose
Use a space instead!! #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 13:24 GMT

What difference would be substituting one character for that of another?
Anonymous Coward
"Half of Brits abuse apostrophe's" #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 13:24 GMT
Anonymous Coward
Its a shame #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 13:24 GMT
Yet at the same time I can't but recall that the convention was either unsettled or simply different in the late 19th Century, e.g. the contraction of "will not" given as "wo'n't".
Marc
Not very well #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 13:24 GMT

There is one particular culprit in my office who doesn't seem to EVER use the apostrophe, never mind misuse it. It takes a bit of getting using to the things he says "ill" do.
Random Noise
Photo's #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 13:24 GMT

How can this misuse not be number 1?
As in (on a sign): "Develop you're (natch) photo's here"
"Half price orange's and apple's"
aaargh!
Anonymous Coward
People's Princess #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 13:24 GMT
If the apostrophe in "people's" is supposed to go before the S because "people" is already plural, why does it still go after the S in children? (e.g., "the childrens' hats")
"Children" is the plural or child, just as "people" is the plural of person.
Steve Mason
bugbear #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 13:24 GMT

Just about my biggest bugbear with the world's apparent growing illiteracy is the inabiltity of people to differentiate between the words "lose" and "loose"... the former being another word for misplace, the latter being used to describe a knot shortly before I tighten it around their scrawny little illiterate necks!
the internet: My god! It's full of tards!
/rant
Anonymous Coward
Han's orft mi apostrophe's #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 13:24 GMT

My apostrophe's what?
Mulvey, get out of it. Apostrophes, correctly used, are helpful components of punctuation. Their eradication would be a loss of clarity, even if only for moments at a time, as the reader strugles to determine which 's' that is at the end of the word. As it stands, this discombombulation only occurs when the ' is incorrectly applied; without it, every plural could potentially be a possessive, and vice-versa.
Who spells "his" or "hers" "hi's" or "her's"? No one., and "its" (possessive is exactly the same. If kids were taught this similarity, the confusion would vanish. I had to learn to follow the rules by rote, but it would have been easier to have been told this at an early stage.
Anonymous Coward
Thank's for that. #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 13:24 GMT
Its great to see article's that pick up on this. Its one of my pet hate's.
What? Whys everyone laughing at me?
Jimmy Floyd
Eh? #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 13:24 GMT

Professor Christopher Mulvey ... lamented: "...To get it right, you need to look up the rules every time you think an apostrophe might be needed - and do this for the next six months in order to 'internalise' the rules."
I would like to commend the good Professor on becoming one, given that it must have taken him a good number of decades to learn even the most basic academia. Six months to learn some grammar?!
Anonymous Coward
There's that word again! #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 13:24 GMT

Internalise! It's everywhere these days - it's probably correct and is certainly beloved by educators across the land but in my eyes it's almost as bad as the rampant verbification and suffixage that has overrun the English language.
Mine's the one with the shortlist of words for inclusion in the next edition of the OED in the pocket.
Matt
Countdown... #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 13:24 GMT
Until the first "clever" reader comments to correct the incorrect apostrophes in the title/sub title?
I'd say < 2 mins!
Chris
Hmm #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 13:24 GMT
As an alternative to learning how to use a stupid punctuation character we could switch to a language where possession is indicated by a consistent suffix. Finnish for instance. English is a piss poor language, and I'm convinced that the only reason it is so widely spoken is because of historical accident rather than any linguistic superiority. Most other languages I'm familiar with have a way to indicate whether a vowel is a front or back vowel, avoiding pronunciation differences with words like bath.
alain williams
They should be Trussed up #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 13:24 GMT
for making mistakes like that - or perhaps eaten, shot and left :-)
nick.se
Funny... #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 13:27 GMT
I have never found the English apostrophe rules very confusing but for me, the English language is an acquired skill so it's just another rule I've had to learn.
When I was in school, we started taking English classes at ten years of age and, if anything, the teachers were a bit too good at what they taught because lots of people carry the apostrophe use over to our native language (Swedish) where it has no place whatsoever.
Anonymous Coward
Sign of the times #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 13:27 GMT

"Rather agreeably, the 55+ age range came bottom of the class nationwide, while 25 to 34-year-olds managed to match the capital with 78 per cent of correct answers - surprising, the Telegraph notes, since the latter have not had the benefit of the "proper" old-school grammar guidance enjoyed by the former."
How rude. Do they think that schools have gone downhill so much these days that they are full of chavs like Vicky Pollard, who only turn up and write their name on the exam paper to get an A*?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7481715.stm
eWill
enough " ' " s already #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 13:27 GMT

I just spent 20 minutes reading the grammer rules for apostrophes on wiki how. That fella that said lets just forget the apostrophe had the right idea.
Its a living language and I'll use it any way I want to, henceforeward I will decline the use of apostrophes and I urge you all to do the same.
Paris 'cos she knows when it's is a possesive pronoun !
er...damn
Nano nano
Seen in Boots ... #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 13:27 GMT
"Kid's medicines"
Poor kid.
Alan W. Rateliff, II
Hopeless state of the English language? #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 13:27 GMT

Sorry, Prof. Wells, but I do not see where this hopeless state exists. A number of years ago I had absolutely no problem at all knowing where the apostrophe should be used, but now after as many years of seeing it used incorrectly, I often find myself double-checking usage. Sadly, poor grammar and punctuation makes it into popular and mainstream media and press, and pointing it out only arouses ire.
I have been told that the English language is one of the harder languages in the world to learn, perhaps lending to its immense ability for absorption and flexibility. Though I still find accent rules for Spanish a little more difficult than English punctuation, though I am sure I have called myself out as an idiot for those who perfectly understand the former.
Paris, English as a first and-a-half language.
Roy Stilling
best aberrant apostrophisation ever #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 13:27 GMT
Local caff:
Eel Pie Island Caf'e
Yes that's right: no accent on the "e" but an apostrophe between it and the preceding "f"
Brilliant!
Mister_C
Spelling error? Or a Merkin in the house? #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 13:27 GMT

Surely the word "internalise" in Prof Mulvey's quote has been misspelt. I think the correct spelling might be R-E-M-E-M-B-E-R.
Anonymous Coward
So #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 13:27 GMT
What's the problem. It's not like it's important or anything. These English prof's should worry more about txt'ing spelling rather than how everyone write's normally.
Spot the error's above !!!!!
Anonymous Coward
It's easy!! #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 13:27 GMT
It really is incredibly easy, people just need to think about it.
Basically, an apostrophe is only used to denote missing letters or possession, but NEVER to denote a multiple. (Unless it's to denote multiples of something ending in an "s")
OK, maybe it is a bit complicated. Here are the rules http://www.apostrophe.fsnet.co.uk/
People mixing up they're, there and their really does my head in though.
They're = They are
Their = belonging to
There = location.
e.g. Their bag is over there. They're in the toilet.
P1ss easy.
Anonymous Coward
It really isn't hard. #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 13:27 GMT
People managed perfectly well with the apostrophe in the past.
People are just lazy and ignorant.
Just because people cannot be arsed to use an apostrophe correctly does not mean it should be scrubbed from the language, or is this what British Education has come down to?
People cannot be bothered to learn something so therefore we must no longer teach it?
No wonder education in schools is so dire these days.
And, if you really, really struggle with the apostrophe, then stop abbreviating and speak properly in the first place.
Anonymous Coward
Lazyness #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 13:27 GMT
It's just lazyness, we shouldn't be dumbing-down our language just because a sizeable proportion of the population are too lazy or too stupid to write correctly.
As for just leaving it out, we'll be well shot of any idiot that suggests that.
Anonymous Coward
Of *course* we have better things to do than fret about the apostrophe. #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 13:27 GMT

We can rant about "less" and "fewer" instead.
Ted Treen
Must be wrong #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 13:27 GMT

This simply cannot be true: after all, Ed "Talking" Balls has assured us that educational standards have risen exponentially and inexorably ever since NuLab took charge of education in this country.
I simply cannot believe that a government minister could be so wrong; and to suggest that they are sophists, or deliberately telling us untruths is blatantly an act of treason.
Daffy the Duck
Its a national disgrace #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 13:27 GMT

joke over
Steven
A Voice-To-Text outfit conducted this survey? #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 13:27 GMT
Perhaps the problem's lie in their software, rather than in the method's that people use to express' themselves' to any survey's out there.
(I too bemoan the loss of our apostrophe's. This hurt to type.)
Anonymous Coward
It's simple #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 13:27 GMT

Keep it in there... it allows us to determine the intelligence of the author.
It's really simple... in possessive plurality, if a word ends with 's', the apostrophe comes after; otherwise it's before the 's'.
Non-possessive plurality does not need an apostrophe.
In other cases, the apostrophe indicates one of more missing letters, so it's location is obvious: they're is short for 'they are', so the apostrophe replaces the ' a'; similarly 'it's' is short for 'it is' - a replacement of the ' i'.
Now! what! about! the! exclamation! mark!?! Surely! that's! a! better! candidate! for! deletion!!!
B
In related news . . . #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 13:27 GMT
over half of Brits DO know how to use an apostrophe. Why is this newsworthy again?
Chika
This isn't really news... #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 13:27 GMT

...as the readers of the Usenet group alt.possessive.its.has.no.apostrophe know all too well!
Richard
Londoners... #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 13:27 GMT
The success Londoners have with apostrophes arise from the hopeless state of their pronunciation. Dropped letters and glottal stops all over the shop. The more you use 'em in other contexts the more you're likely to get your head round their possessive use.
Jason Togneri
Learn from Bob! #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 13:29 GMT

As a former teacher of English as a foreign language, and part-time online grammar nazi, this news saddens me. We could all learn a thing or two from Bob's attitude towards grammar.
http://www.theworldaccordingtokang.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/bob-the-angry-flower.gif
http://www.angryflower.com/plural.gif
http://www.angryflower.com/destro.gif
http://www.angryflower.com/itsits.gif
Anonymous Coward
crazy #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 13:29 GMT

we'll becomes we ll? What's wrong with we will?
ur wrong I tells ya.
I always wanted to know why it's its and not its'.
And why do we always blindly put the punctuation inside the quotes?
Dr Who
What's the plural of CV #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 13:29 GMT

If you have more than one cat, you don't write it as cat's. If you have more than one car you don't write it as car's. Why then do the vast majority of people insist on writing CV's instead of CVs. You can just about be forgiven for confusing it's and its, but why cock up a straight forward plural?
Chris
Good article #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 13:29 GMT
I look forward to reading the review from amanfromMar's
Adam Foxton
That Profesur emerishus whassisname bloke #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 13:29 GMT

Don't give him any more exposure, please!
Also, the apostrophe isn't that hard to use!
Poopie McStinklestein
A title is required. Why? #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 16:55 GMT
Next time someone misuses you're as "your silly", answer them with "My silly?".
It's guaranteed to confuse them.
Metalattakk
@ It's simple #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 16:55 GMT

>In other cases, the apostrophe indicates one of more missing letters, so it's location is obvious: they're is short for 'they are', so the apostrophe replaces the ' a'; similarly 'it's' is short for 'it is' - a replacement of the ' i'.
"so its location", not "so it is location".
Mine's the one without the primed petard in the pocket.
Anonymous Coward
Peadophiles... #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 16:55 GMT

Ok not really, but what is the name for an apostrophe abuser? [apostrophiles?] and can we get the daily wail on the case? we'd all be safe then... they'd be harrassed from society.
JonB
@Random Noise : Photo's #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 16:55 GMT
>How can this misuse not be number 1?
Perhaps because "photo" is an abbreviation of "photograph" thus the apostrophe
is indicating omission?
Dan Cooke
re. AC #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 16:55 GMT

"If the apostrophe in "people's" is supposed to go before the S because "people" is already plural, why does it still go after the S in children? (e.g., "the childrens' hats")
"Children" is the plural or child, just as "people" is the plural of person."
because your a idiot? its "children's hats"
Graham Marsden
My local gym... #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 16:55 GMT

... is advertising a new Pilate's class.
Someone was heard to comment that perhaps you should wash your hands after it... ;-)
Matthew Henry
Just seen on The Register... #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 16:55 GMT

"Hosted CRM gives SME's big-business customer management"
Gives it to whom, I ask.
Pete
Let's take it to the logical conclusion #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 16:55 GMT
andstopusuingallformsofgrammaraltogetherimeanitsonlysomethingthatsinventedbyteacherstokeeptheminjobsanditdoesntmetterintherealworldormakeanythingeasiertoreadsowhybother?
Mike Richards
My biggest bugbear... #
Posted Tuesday 11th November 2008 16:55 GMT
...is that the greengrocers' apostrophe has escaped into the wild and can be found infesting the media section of Tesco like a particularly nasty boll weevil resulting in horrors like [and look away now if you're easily scared]
CD's and DVD's.