There's no need to try to sneak this spyware on by sending it in email.

NuLabour are already going to keep a record of every email anybody sends, every website anybody visits, anything at all they do on the net.

It is an obvious extension for them to make it compulsory to install this spyware so they can scan every disk in every computer, and log every key pressed by anyone.

If you object to this then you are directly supporting terrorism!

Let's hope the turrrsts aren't using Linux, or an email client other than OE...

Any chance of a "Jacqui with horns" icon? (On second thoughts - "horny Jacqui"? *shudder*)

Until the crims get there hands on this new code............ hackers field day !

Terrorists / Miscreants stupid enough to open trojan email attachments are probably little threat anyhow..........

Paris Obviously

Witness what happened with Liechtenstein. The excuse of "catching evil tax avoiders" doesn't cancel out the hard fact that the German tax office knowingly bought stolen goods (and AFAIK even resold it afterwards, thus presumably trying to spread the guilt and implicating other nations in the crime).

I care little about rich people being handed a large bill, but I do care about law and justice. What the Germans have done is create yet again a market for stolen information. As long as you can halfway offer a tax angle to it you can apparently do whatever you want - there will be a buyer who will even be prepared to make you avoid international justice. From a Liechtenstein point of view -and that of German law when actually not bypassed- this man belongs in jail.

Interesting trends, no? As soon as the 'Mericans started to ignore their own laws to go after people that had little to do with 9/11 (oh, and lied about the intelligence they had, and by that I mean information) the rest of the planet followed eagerly, even if they had to "suicide" people like David Kelly (I know it's not a verb, and I know some believe the suicide story).

Power corrupts. QED.

@AC

If you read up on the German legislation, hackers are specifically prohibited from making use of any Trojan implanted by the government. If they should happen upon it whilst poking their noses into any ill-concealed computer backdoors, it will be illegal for them to make use of any spyware they find already installed on the system.

So. Sorted. No issue whatsoever.

Paris, cause it would be reelly dumb to think the government hadn't thought that one through already.

Sorry for being so slow on the uptake.

I've only just figured out that our Overlords have discovered that the internet is something that they can't *really* control, so they're out to make it even less useful than the proverbial 'chocolate fire-guard' (at least you'd be able to eat the chocolate, unless it's been made from dodgy Chinese milk, of course), by making it utterly unattractive to use for anything whatsoever.

Back to snail-mail and mail-order catalogues then (not to mention the newsagent's top shelf).

They'll get Jaqui to go for this, no problem. She's clearly already a 'Trojan Human' (I use human in the metaphorical sense here), as I'm sure her head has a zip up the back.

It's time to sign those petitions, people. So stop being a bottler and get on with it!

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Sack-Ms-Smith/

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/no-to-1984/

I was going to say...ooops gotta go I've just received another unsolicited email from someone names Hans....

have any idea how this would actually work?

I mean if you emailed me this trojan then I could be- depending on the time of day- working on an XP, Vista, 98, WM5, WM6, various flavours of linux or occasionally a BeOS machine. That's not even all x86.

Also, if there's an interesting email that I don't know the sender of but which looks useful/interesting I open it in a virtualPC.

Whoops, shouldn't have said that- I'm helping the Terrorists.

Norton detects DE.gov.trojan? Any potential terrorist who sees that is just going to lie low for a while. Although if they're using Norton they probably don't have enough common sense to do that.

"Wolfgang Schäuble ... emphasised the need to work "in the spirit of the law"."

Mmmm. How about just working *within* the law, Wolfy?

Paris had Germans screw her too (in 1940, I believe)

Sorry guys, but you don't know half yet.

The Trojan cannot be a listen-only device like telephone surveillance but it can also be used to plant evidence. There are no provisions for effective supervision at all. To top it of, these Trojans are not to be sent per email but to be installed in secret right on the PC by agents.

So more like a constant secret search of your home, secret searches being forbidden by our laws and probably yours, too. Our federal constitutional court (Bundesverfassungsgericht) has said so, but the politicos reply was on the lines of: So we will have to change the law, then.

Of course, the Chinese will have a field day when they work out the controlling protocol.

We have been discussing the federal trojan on German boards for ages. I'm providing a link with a collection of news on the subject, for those who can read German.

http://www.heise.de/ct/hintergrund/meldung/95584

Jaqui Smith is a dangerous and evil fascist with a plan similar to what nazi germany had in the 1940's. She and her cronies should be stopped as soon as possible -before its all too late

Or alternatively, don't open dodgy attachments.

will roll over and ensure their software doesn't detect the government installed "trojans"...

I'm wondering what Google and the other web based mail providers will do when presented with an email containing one of the government devised "trojans". Will they be complicit in the actions of the state and not report the "trojan" to the user when they scan the attachments?

Of course if this happens, then all bets are off when the black hats get hold of one of these and reverse engineer it to do their bidding while still having it look like a government sourced "trojan"...

The UK government under Brown is run on all Hysteria and paranoia, Terrorisum causes the least deaths in the UK than driving on UK roads.

http://www.dephormation.org.uk/images/uk_deaths.png the link shows an image of road deaths, terrorisum deaths and smoking related causes which do you think takes number 1 slot?

We should go back to just after the war become our own independant Island dump EU countries look after our own citizens and remove this unelected prime minster from power with is corrupt ideas on removing our privacy, identity and freedom.