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The cartographically-challenged among you who might have been wondering just where England is in relation to Wales can thank the BBC for setting the record straight right here. BBC map indicating position of England relative to Wales Yes indeed, if the inset map doesn't give you a clue as to what bit of the UK Wales occupies, …

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England

Has the label not been added automatically by their mapping software?

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not for us

Didn't you know? bbc.co.uk is an international site. That's why a significant portion of the site is about US politics and US finance (even before the elections and current crisis).

Wales is a tiny place (relatively speaking) that is easy for our international visitors to the site to not know where it is.

I'm glad that someone is reading BBC news though because the journalism is as bad as the dailymail these days. Stories with facts anyone? It's all hype and opinion portrayed as truth.

Bill because he's also good at taking people's money by the billions and not producing the goods.

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Our colonial cousins

Surely this information is for those residing in the colonies who may be a tad confused over the difference between England, Scotland and Wales. I'm sure most of us at some time have heard a Scot lamenting the fact that someone from over the pond thinks they're English.

You know how it goes:

Scot: "I'm from Edinburgh"

American: "That's near London isn't it? I 've got a friend who lives in London called John. Do you know him?"

<sound of Scot grinding teeth>

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why's it only only in english?

maybe the activists have been too quiet recently

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Joke

Well to be fair...

... the BBC website is hugely popular around the world. It's quite conceivable that there are some Americans reading it who might well need the hint.

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Confusing

Especially when the article below this one has a headline of "Paris ups sticks to London".

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How stupid to they think we are?

Well, when the BBC news in the morning seems determined to fill up as much air time as possible with the latest news from Strictly Come Wanking (or "Strictly" as they trendily call it) and are becoming more like GMTV every day, I think such cartographical explanations need to be given to an audience that get their world news from TV talent shows and Heat magazine.

I find that in the morning that I am increasingly turning over to BBC News 24. At least the news there is provided for people with a IQ higher than a boiled potato.

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Well, if Bush reads the BBC website

He's no really sure where Wales is, he once asked Charlotte Church (or whatever her name is) what state Wales was in.

This of course assuming that Bush can read.

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Wales is a tiny place?

Surely not - it's at least the size of Wales...

(The one without the leek in its pocket, thanks.)

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Re: Our colonial cousins

Don't call them our cousins. I am not related to any of them. I should know. I know my family tree and it does NOT branch over to the other side of the pond, thank you very much.

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BBC and England

Knowing how the BBC likes to treat us, I'm very surprised not to see it labelled as the 'regions' or some such bollocks

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Re: Our colonial cousins

Well, mine does, you literal-minded gimp, so put a sock in it or half of me will whup your sorry ass.

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In fairness

There may be students reading and we all know the quality of British teaching leaves something to be desired.

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hmmm - comments but generally better for me..

wasnt it only quite recently that the majority of school leaving yanks couldnt point out the USA on a map without labelled countries? i guess we have some thickos here too...

didnt jade from big brother think cambridge was a part of london?

sometimes i despair at the level of devolution going on in the world

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Reminds me

I was sat in a cafe several months ago and BBC Radio 1 was annoyingly blaring away. The news came on and opened with "Today, Gordon Brown, the Prime Minister...". Even the way it was said made it absolutely clear that the person reading it out was expecting a significant proportion of Radio 1 listeners to need the extra clarification as to who this Gordon Brown bloke was and why on earth Radio 1 might be reporting on what HE was doing rather than the latest exploits in "I'm a 3rd rate non-entity who'll do anything for a tango".

Anyway, I've noticed an even more annoying trend on the BBC news (both TV and radio) lately. They seem to have stopped reporting "The News" and have started reporting the Newspapers. Every fecking news item starts off with "The Times has reported that...", or "In today's Mirror it has been revealed...". It's as if the BBC news department has just become a news aggregation service.

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@Sarah Bee

Would you like vaseline or valve grinding paste with that whupping?

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How big is England?

The BBC is missing a bit more info:

"England, about the area of (n) Wales's"

" I 've got a friend who lives in London called John. Do you know him?" - not a phenomenon unknown to Londoners (or anyone else from a city).As a Londoner I've been asked by English people where the 'bus station' is as most towns have one at the centre.

Most Little Englanders have no idea how big the U.S. is, even the concept of having more than one time zone in a country leaves yer average Brit foaming at the mouth and twitching due to having to think. They can't even get their wee heads round the idea that New York (state) is bigger than Blighty.

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@jon

Erm, no. The international version is international, and comes with advertising. The UK version comes with no advertising, is what I look at when I read the news, and still comes with a map pointing out the location of England wrt Wales.

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@ Colonial cousins; @ Sarah

Quote: "I know my family tree and it does NOT branch over to the other side of the pond, thank you very much."

What bollocks. If you're a caucasian person in Gt Britain and Ireland whose family has been here more than a few generations then you are very likely to be distantly related to many white (and many mixed race) Americans. In fact, judging by the intellectual content of your post, I bet you are close family with Dubya.

Quote: "... me will whup your sorry ass." You're on a winner there, gal! A lot of us perves would pay good money for that!

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@Pete

http://news.bbc.co.uk/welsh/hi/newsid_7680000/newsid_7680400/7680408.stm

We have our own Welsh BBC news site thanks....

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Unhappy

Well... the BBC is

obviously up to speed with how well Labour are doing at dumbing down the UK education system.

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Re. Our colonial cousins

In my world, we're ALL brothers, brother (and sister).

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Paris Hilton

I know you know where England is...

Not everyone in the world knows (or gives a crap) where England is...

I'm sure you do, But its not the britain wide web... its the World Wide Web...

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Yay!

Yay for the moderatrix! That is all. :¬)

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Literal-minded Gimp

Class prose like that explains why I'll never make it as a writer.

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American geographical knowledge, and the lack thereof

A few years ago I was working with somebody from the US of A, and spent ages trying to explain how England was playing Wales in the 6 Nations. He just couls not seem to get it in to his head that Swansea is in Wales, not in England. Luckily has were watching rugby, and not football, there was no trouble with him cheering England.

Of course the England/Wales things is nothing complared getting him to understand the rules of rugby.

Dw i'n byw yng Nghymru!

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Most unfair!

The tone of this article is most unfair.

Quite obviously it is not aimed at us English, or our Welsh cousins. It is intended for the colonials over the Atlantic, the ones who think England is somewhere near London and Wales is a fish.

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Whinging moaner

Someone should now tell the BBC where Scotland is. They clearly don't know.

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@Anonymous Coward Posted Tuesday 21st October 2008 09:53 GMT

Dear Colonialist Cousin,

You might be surprised how DNA travels, and how closely we humans are all related. By one measure, we are all at least cousins.

Now that the Beeb has got the location of Wales sorted, perhaps you could tell me where I might find my friend Jones...

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@I know you know where England is...

Well if that's the case fuck off and read a US only site if our Britishness offends you. After all,

"The Register is produced by Situation Publishing Ltd, a UK registered company based at...."

Cigarettes are truly evil as it's their fault we decided to settle your horrible inhospitable land!

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RE: Our colonial cousins

"You know how it goes:

Scot: "I'm from Edinburgh"

American: "That's near London isn't it? I 've got a friend who lives in London called John. Do you know him?"

<sound of Scot grinding teeth>"

Could be worse - I was getting a tour of Stirling by my wife, as it was her granny's final place of living before she died - and so we went up to see the William Wallace monument. We were there feeling all proud and such (even though I'm actually English) and then we heard this shrill american lady stand back and go "Oh wow - all this for a movie" - then cue conversation of how it compares to other things, such as the palace at disney world. It took all my strength not to push her over the wall and to her death... obviously screaming FREEEEEDOMMMMM whilst doing it.

Thinking I'd seen everything, I got back to the b&b, and the kind lady who owned the place told us of another time when some merkins booked a room there, and said they would arrive by midday. The day they were to get there, it got to 8pm, and no show, so she let the room out as it was peak season. At 10pm there was a knock on the door... turned out they thought they could just hop on the tube in Euston and get to Stirling in less than a few minutes.

Sad thing is, the ones who actually know there is a London, a Scotland and an England are actually the smart ones! :'(

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@flobadob

Perhaps, when they finish doing that, somebody would like to tell HMG.

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@ Our colonial cousins

Err.. I DO have cousins in the US and Canada especially actually.. They may be distant cousins but they are still cousins.. The only problem here is the un-inherited trait of selfdenial and world domination that they all seem to have?

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Lies all lies

The BBC need this info for themselves 'cos they have no idea.

I sit in an office in the home counties but cannot get streaming news 24....

BBC think I am a foreigner cos this particular company has its pipe pour out onto to t'internet in Germany somewhere.... Even after registering and telling the BBC exactly where in the country I am.

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@ How big is England?

The first time I went to the USA (early 1970s), it was hard to avoid the following conversation.

"Where ya from?"

"Wallasey - near Liverpool "

"Gee! D'ya know the Beatles?"

I did know Jacquie & Bridie though, but nobody ever asked me that.

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Geography lessons

I was on Holiday in Egypt recently when one of the First Choice reps preceded to tell everyone as part of a dances of the world routine, "last but not least, Ireland, the most favourite place to visit in the UK" - He left the resort the following week to come home and start teaching (I kid you not...).

I met two English women in Cape Town a few years back and they were adamant that Ireland was part of the UK, I had to show them my Irish Passport and that I had Euros with me before they believed me. I'm afraid to say not everyone has had great geography lessons....

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Further help for the still confused

Shouldn't it also have an arrow pointing left to show where Wales is relative to America? And one sort of north, north west to show the all important geographic Cambrian relationship to Iceland. Not to mention one pointing sort of south so I can locate Wales' position from Tristan da Cunha.

Bloody dumbing down of the BBC...

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@rhydian

'We have our own Welsh BBC news site thanks....'

For the benefit of those outside of Wales, here is what the map looks like on BBC Cymru:

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/917/walesjx8.jpg

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Once upon a time in California ...

... when I first met my American girlfriend (now ex-wife) she seriously believed Wales was an island.

Of course I probably didn't help matters by explaining that, while it was still attached to the mainland, quite a lot of English folk wished it was a feckin' island!

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I can understand some of the confusion....

We, as a nation (the UK, that is), have no real identity.

British Isles - An archipelago in North Western Europe. Including Great Britain, Ireland, Hebrides, Shetlands, Orkneys, Man and others (does not include the Channel Islands, no matter what the jersey tourist board say). The term British Isles is controversial in Ireland though, as it implies UK ownership over the whole archipelago.

Great Britain - Not a country, but the largest island in the British Isles. Includes Scotland, England and Wales, which together make up 3/4 of the United Kingdoms constituent nations.

Ireland - Not a country, but the second largest island in the British Isles. Includes the nation of the Republic of Ireland and also the Northern Ireland part of the United Kingdom (which is technically the sole surviving part of the Kingdom of Ireland).

United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (or UK) - A nation made up of the whole of Great Britain, plus the northern part of the island of Ireland. It's capital is London, the head of state is HM Queen Elizabeth II, and the Prime Minister is Gordon Brown.

Scotland - A constituent nation of the UK, taking up the northern 1/3 of Great Britain. Many, many miles from London. Has devolved powers, and is self-governing in respect to domestic policy. Immigration, defence and foreign policy are still handled by the UK gov. Also includes most of the islands on the northern and western coasts of Scotland.

England - A constituent nation of the UK, taking up the southern 2/3 of Great Britain. This contains London, though London has many devolved powers and is becoming increasingly self-governing.

Wales - A principality of the UK, on the western side of England. Was annexed by England long before the act of union, and has only been recognised as seperate to England in the latter part of the 20th Century. Is largely self-governing, with a strong gaelic speaking community and identity.

Northern Ireland (or Ulster) - A province of the UK. On the NE part of the island of Ireland. Is populated by a majority of Scots protestant descendants, which is the primary reason why it did not gain independence at the same time as the catholic dominated Republic.

Republic of Ireland (or Eire) - A sovereign nation, taking up most of the southern and NW parts of the island of Ireland. Has not been part of the UK since the early part of the 20th Century.

Isle of Man - Not a part of the UK, but a self governing Crown dependency.

Channel Islands - A chain of islands of NW France. Not a part of the UK, but a group of self governing Crown dependencies.

Now, try explaining that to our colonial cousins.

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There is is place called wales?

What do they use it for? rearing sheep?

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Gaelic?

"Wales - A principality of the UK, on the western side of England. Was annexed by England long before the act of union, and has only been recognised as seperate to England in the latter part of the 20th Century. Is largely self-governing, with a strong GAELIC speaking community and identity."

We speak Welsh or Cymraeg luv, which is more similar to Breton and Cornish than Gaelic, Scots or Manx.

It's summit to do with P & Q goedelic if I remember tidy.

Gash

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What's the problem?

The map focused on an important country, Wales. As people might have idly wondered what the unimportant landmass beside it was called, the BBC told them. Apart from its inhabitants, most people would not care, of course.

Makes sense to me, and I don't understand the discussion.

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@ Most Unfair AC

Go back to school dumbass, a whale is not a fish, it's a mammal.

@ chris hamilton, nice one for pointing out that wales is a principality, not a country, I was going to do it myself, but you beat me to the punch :)

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Eire is certainly not part of the UK, but, as noted, Northern Ireland is. And people over here certainly to get confused when they hear people referring to either England or Scotland as a country. A country is something which mints coins, issues postage stamps, and has an army, an air force, and possibly a navy (if it's not landlocked, a problem definitely not experienced by Britain, whose navy long "ruled the waves").

So, naturally, because Her Majesty Elizabeth II is often referred to as the "Queen of England", and in other ways England is called a 'nation' or a 'country', it's not at all surprising that they come to the conclusion that 'England' must be another name for the UK.

I've been told I'm mistaken about this, but I do remember hearing the term 'Britain', as opposed to 'Great Britain', the large island including Scotland, England, and Wales, being used to refer to just the territory formerly held by the Welsh - that is, Great Britain exclusive of Scotland, or England and Wales. Just to add to the confusion noted above.

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When t comes to being geograpically challenged,

the Lads from Lagos are in a class of their own. London covers most of the British Isles, which explains addresses such as Edinburgh, London, England.

I've also come across West Indies United Kingdom, but my favourite is "Northern Ireland Channel Islands, England in the United Kingdom". Although to be fair, the sender was lying dying of cancer in an intensive care unit with tubes sticking out of her at the time..

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Shortly arriving at London - Prestwick ...

And I thought it was Ryanair that needed geography lessons ...

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RE: Gaelic?

"... which is more similar to Breton and Cornish than Gaelic, Scots or Manx."

Hey - don't bring Manchester into this!! Mahd four it.

I for one welcome our Cymraeg overlords.....

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...but BBC news is worldwide!

I met quite a few people from the US who thought that Scotland was in England, Scotland *was* England, England was the capital of Britain and Wales was joined to Ireland etc. I am sure that for it's overseas readers it's safest to point it out!!

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@ When t comes to being geograpically challenged,

I can spell, honest!

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