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Microsoft is readying Vista Service Pack 2 (SP2) and will hand it over to beta testers within the next month. According to Neowin.net, which quotes an MS tipster, betas will be available to a closed group of guinea pigs – though not to the general public – in about four weeks. Windows Search 4 will reportedly be included in …

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Gates Horns

SP2?!? What about SP1?

Never mind SP2! I still can't get F£$%£$"G SP1 to install!!!**!! Pile of shite!

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IT Angle

Here we go again......

.....just as I've "fixed" problems with my last Vista update, the prospect of more strife rears it's ugly head.

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Happy

Its not totally Vista's fault

I am no Vista fan, and I have been doing more downgrades than upgrades on Vista, its not a great product, but it works..upto a point.

One reason I noticed that why users hated Vista so much is becuase manufactures or shops are NOT selling the right kit to run it on, good example this morning, a laptop came in, user said Vista sucks, it crashed after an online update, but overall, its slow as a dog, fixing the software werent too diffiuclt, our guy did it within 30 mins, but closer inspection revealed this laptop with a very fast dual-core pentium only had 512MB (with64MB taken already by video), 2 mins to add 1GB of memory and its speedy as it should, still no comparision to XP but its more than workable.

This is not the first one we got that were sold by PC World, if they simply add another £20 on top of the laptop price for teh extra memory, they would have had a lot more happy customers, not to mention Vista would be more acceptable, so in many ways, Microsoft are not totally to blame for the crap uptake of Vista, so many factors added to make it one of the most unpopular OS ever.

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Paris Hilton

The REAL SP1

Here it is - the real SP1 for Vista. Maybe a few weeks after its release people* will start to take Vista seriously.

*with any kind of clue

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Bluetooth wireless

As opposed to the wired Bluetooth we've been using?

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Ah. Will it improve Vista?

Will DRM malware be removed?

Will it actually work on anything with less numbercrunching power than a Cray?

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Gates Halo

SP2? Nah.

I installed vista on a new gaming rig just last week. Went on smooth, quick and aside from a well known driver issue (the companies, not MSs) it's been great.

Then again both my work laptop and my gaming rig surpass the recommended specs.

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Box shifters and penny pinchers

Always the same - and it starts with Windows minspec

The xp home minspec is

233mhz

64mb

and the real belly buster

1.5gb available hard disk

Imaging buying that with Norton preinstalled

It's called built in redundancy

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SP1 does install, just not on top of Vista's own updates

I spent 3 months trying to jimmy SP1 onto a Vista with a years worth of Vista updates on it and there was as much chance of that working as Tottenham winning a match.

Then I tried Internet Explorer v8 beta on the same machine and that put that PC out of business in a fabulous fashion. I restored the Vista PC back to it's state when purchased and ran Windows Update. It insisted on installing a couple of the critters on the darn thing with no ill effects. When I reran Windows Update it wanted to install SP1, so I let it. And waddayaknow, it worked. What chance is there that I have a machine in the right state to pass the SP2 install test? Who knows.

The moral of the story, dunno, but you could say that Vista SP1 doesn't like any Vista PC with a years worth of it's own upgrades on it. And the chance of some poor geeks Vista machine installing SP2 without SP1on it? Puck all.

Give me strength.

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Gates Halo

Vista, no problems here

As a beta tester of both Vista and SP1, I've had virtually no problems all the way through. Maybe I'm just lucky (doubt it), but I have yet to see any of these problems that are apparently so prevalent.

Still waiting on my SP2 invite though. :(

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Gates Horns

@ Its not totally Vista's fault

Like hell it isn't!

I run it on the same AMD64 4Gb RAM machine that I run Ubuntu 8.04 and 64Studio and they both fly compared to Vista which, even with Aero disabled, still does an extremely amazing impression of a tortoise!

Also, it keeps wanting to change my Nvidia Raid drivers from my latest ones to ones that are over 2 years old!?! Like, yeah! I'm really going to let it do that!

mumble.. mumble.. %$&"$*(($"£ pile of shite....

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@Vista, no problems here

Consider yourself lucky.

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SP1 was just to push people off the edge

Happens with every Windows Build. Business and System admins say. oh New OS. Lets hold back until SP1 is released. That way it will be stable when we take the plunge and buy it.

So MS, getting wise to this, and so release SP1 straight away, get their sales of the OS then actually fix things with the next service pack.

Thus ends the story of MS,

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I swear the whole world is retarded

There is bugger all wrong with Vista, sure perhaps if it was shipped with a lot less of the security features and Aero functions turned off we would all be a lot happier but I just don't understand where this crap about having to downgrade or problems with updates come from.

I have been running a laptop with Vista on it for over 18 months no problems at all and all service packed and hotfixed to the hilt.

I have built and supported a network of over 50 PC's all running Vista and have never encountered a problem.

The only problems I have encountered is dimwit sys admins who can't RTFM.

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IT Angle

I thought they were going to call in Windows 7

Does anyone use Vista for serious work?

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Anonymous Coward

Loving that update

nice to see the Windows FUD Team fully earning their keep

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Gates Horns

Ok not a fan of all the Mac ads, but this new one is funny

I don't like most of the Get a Mac ads, but with all the new Windows marketing with Seinfeld and all, I found this one hilarious:

http://tinyurl.com/6ee3lr (the link is safe, goes to Apple's site)

It does require QuickTime though, sorry about that.

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It's all a matter of hardware

My last PC had crappy hardware and I had no end of trouble with 98 and quite a lot of trouble with XP. So, when it came time to buy a new PC I went for reliability: Asus mobo, 2GHz Intel Dual Core Processor, Crucial RAM & Samsung HDD. Vista runs sweet as a nut and stable as a rock. Takes 30 seconds from finishing POST to getting to the desktop, critical processes never crash and I haven't had to do a hard reboot since Vista SP1 came out.

It runs most things as quick as XP did on the same rig, and some things work quicker. Also, I don't seem to be suffering that XP drag I used to get where the OS gradually gets slower the longer it is since a fresh install. In fact, I'd say that my Virtual PC XP install on Vista is quicker than a XP install on a 2GHz single core PC.

The biggest difference I have made to Vista settings is to turn off windows fading in and out . It's amazing how much quicker Vista feels when all the windows snap in and out of view. Also, this is a fresh install with SP1. I remember that when XP SP2 was released the general recommendation from experienced techies was to do a clean install rather than upgrading an old install. I guess the same goes for Vista SP1.

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Joke

@SP2?!? What about SP1?

That will be addressed in Windows 7.

On a more serious note I have been using Vista for almost a year now without problems that werent because of my own fault. (IE: fucking with stuff I shouldnt have fucked with just to see what I could do)

I do blame the manufactures for shipping Vista on alot of subpar machines.

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The train stops at the trainstation, works stops at ....

The driver for my Intel graphics chipset is not liked by Vista SP1, the updated driver that SP1 demands is not favoured by Toshiba so ... checkmate.

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@The Avangelist - Well said!

Damn straight! Running it under boot camp on a Mac ( oh the humanity! ). Nothing wrong with Vista, happily does everything I want in a Windows O/S. I also run OSX and Linux on my Mac so no I am not in bed with any one particular brand. Before you start the only reason for using a Mac hardware is the energy saving and the peace and quiet you get when you are not running normal PC kit with the deafening sound of 95db of fans running constantly!

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Anonymous Coward

@Jessica Werkz

"The moral of the story, dunno, but you could say that Vista SP1 doesn't like any Vista PC with a years worth of it's own upgrades on it".

So millions of people install SP1 without any problems, but because Jessica can't figure out how to install it, it "doesn't like any Vista PC with a years worth of it's own upgrades on it"?

Does it get lonely being at the centre of the universe, Jessica?

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Jobs Horns

AC, I loved that ad (microsoft money, ad campaign versus software)

It's totally on target, and even funnier when you see Steve Balmer saying, "Well, sure, you smart ENTERPRISE customers can just wait until Windows-7." Kinda shoots the ad campaign in the foot for anyone who knows much of anything about computers. The company really knows that the product is utter sh*t, and it's developed multiple personality disorder from the stress of declaring it "wonderful" at the same time they fast-track a replacement. It's truly ME-II.

The thing which amazes me most about Vista is: When you're running as an administrator and pop up the file manager ("windows explorer"), it utterly refuses to let you follow symlinks to "sensitive" data. Doesn't give the pop-up about "Windoze needs you to confirm...", just REFUSES.

The only ways around it are (1) restart in "safe mode"; or (my favorite way) just shove the darn hard drive into my Linux box and DO MY WORK FROM HERE.

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Anonymous Coward

No Thanks

I bought an Acer 5630 with Vista home premium, which ran fine until I installed SP1 and applications started crashing at random. I've reinstalled from scratch, turned off Automatic updates (I choose what to update) and I'm fine again. no more Service Packs for me. I'll wait for Windows 7 or Ubuntu (depends which provides what I need first).

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Heart

You are all deluded

I personally have never had any problems with anything. This obviously means that everything is OK. Anybody saying otherwise is clearly deluded.

Also, anything I don't have a use for or don't like should never be made as that would be stupid. It is impossible that anyone else would have a use for it or like it.

(Sadly the people this satire is aimed at will simply not get it....)

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@The Avengelist

"I have built and supported a network of over 50 PC's all running Vista and have never encountered a problem"

I just don't believe that. Never had any problems with 50 Vista PC's. Gimme a break.

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Anonymous Coward

"So millions of people install SP1 without any problems, but because Jessica can't figure out how to install it"

Don't think you read that too well. I did install it.

Ho-hum, another response to a half-read comment.

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Stop

Vista problems?

I bought Vista (I know, who would actually pay for this DRM laden, bloated piece of crap) and I had no problems with it, installed fine, updated fine, SP1, fine. The HATED DRM which everyone always goes on about has never had any effect on my PC (which isn't a Cray by any means, still a 32 bit single core processor for Gods sake)

OK, it isn't everyone's cup of tea, especially here on El Reg (where "real" operating systems come on punch cards) because most of the readers don’t like Microsoft and that’s fine. To say that every user of Vista is suffering, or that it is impossible to set up a small (50 user) network without any major issues is generalising to say the least.

The worst thing for me was the changes they made, seemingly because they could, to the familiar menu systems. OK it took me as long to learn the new ones as it took me to learn the (superficial operating) differences between Windows and Ubuntu so no big deal really. I just don’t understand why they made the changes, especially to office! A bit like a car manufacturer moving the pedals around “just because”

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Linux

Far too late M$!

Bought Vostro 1400 laptop with 3GB of RAM and dedicated NVidia graphics. I thought, as an IT professional, I have to learn about mainstream OS. Yes it works but so do vacuum cleaners, but when you switch them off they do so as opposed to the mainstream OS - it starts installing patches and the process can't be interrupted.

This is just tip of the iceberg. SP1 broke my wifi catcher button functionality. Tried to setup net profiles? Ever renamed user and then found out that it didn't rename user directories, and you can't do it either without worrying you will break 50+ pieces of software you needed to install in order to have environment you are used to? Cooling fan blowing crazy most of the time? Etc, etc.

>>> It does what _it_ wants, not what _I_ want. <<<

Once I realised the the fact that I have no longer control over MY system, I knew I learned enough about the mainstream OS and installed guess Ubuntu 8.04 - all worked out of the box.

However, hats of to M$ campaign, that can be defined as "it just works", very clever. If linux community wasn't so diversified and fragmented, maybe we'd have a real alternative ready for an average industry office user and we'd also have software tools of equivalent or better than .Net.

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Coat

M$ Haters. Penguin Obsessed.... Welcome home.

Wow. It certainly seems to me that this site is absolutely CHOK full of Microsoft haters, Penguin freaks, and one-track hard-nosers.

Linux is a DAMNED good OS. It is fast, it is stable, and it runs on damned near anything. Yes I can run Linux (albeit an older version) on any box I have ever handled, including Sparc's, PowerPC's, and my Cell phone.. Probably my Dryer too, it has a computer controller inside it... But for my mother, my father, my daughter, neighhour, etc. Linux is just not for them. Slight Windows compatibility issues, lack of simple click click for some things, and inability to "just go to download.com to get a shareware tool" make it a poor choice for someone like that. For the large corporation with thousands of systems to handle, the I/T overhead may be too much. Compatibility with legacy applications and backends mean Windows is the only option, save for a million dollar retrofit..

Windows Vista is a damned good OS. It's fast, it's clean, it's stable, it's compatible, and it just plain works. Yes, you read that right. It works. I run it on my HP notebook (which was designed for Vista) and it works fine. Ohhh.. I hear all the haters out there "Yah, of course, it was designed for Vista. Of course it's going to work!". Surely you must recall the WinModem days. Yes, Linux users could not say "It works" unless they design the system themselves with the right hardware.. Thereby making it "Designed for Linux". Of course it's going to work. My car takes specific oils, and if I drop generic 10w30 in there, it's going to cause problems. I use VW Certified oil in my VW.. who'd have thunk...

The big beef is running the right OS on the wrong hardware. Vista just plain does not work on some hardware. End of story. Try installing OSX out of the box, on your PC. Thank you for calling.

I'm getting really really fed up hearing everyone here bitch and complain cause they have had bad experiences with Windows this, and Windows that. Everyone is up no "XP is the best" bandwagon.. yet.. I'm old enough to remember the days when XP was the latest hideous beast form Redmond, and "No way I am going to use that candied up piece of crap. I am sticking with the only OS worth using if I have to use MS.. Win2k".

We get it.. You hate M$.. You love Penguins. Move along now. :)

Mine's the one with a different OS in each pocket.

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