One billion quid for the prototype?

Have they _any_ idea about computers at all?

Is that if you have all this communication data then what is it for? I can see you can use it to find who is talking to who, but what about other means of conversation, letters, good old fashioned speaking, or is that covered by surveillance? Hardly 100% coverage and if it isn;t 100% how useful is it?

When we see our liberties being eroded and innocent until proven guilty taking a battering, I am concerned that the innocent may all have to justify their contacts on demand.

Can anyone remember why they called person x on Jun 12th 1998 at 21:42 and what they talked about. It's the kind of question we could all end up having to answer if this goes ahead. I for one can hardly remember who I spoke to last week never mind any longer than that!

Mine's the one with "Do I come here often?" on the back.

"It is also required of the UK under a European directive, ..."

That's a nice bit of double-talk from the Home Office. That would of course be the very same EU Directive that the UK government itself laundered through the undemocratic European Commission after failing to get it through Parliament the first time. More links about this here:

http://www.privacyinternational.org/policylaundering

are belong to us.

"Papers Please, Citizen."

If all she wanted to do was upgrade the facilities for storage of traffic, she could spend a fraction of that amount by giving cash to ISPs and telcos to buy storage. In fact, telcos and ISPs can already get cash for this, as per the legislation the HO is trying very hard to hide behind, and I haven't seen any of them asking for anything anywhere near 12 bn quid.

So this is fuck all to do with efficiency.

I'm not buying the necessity in The War Against Terror either, if there was such a desperate threat, and the current system wasn't working, we'd be knee deep in dirty bombs by now, and we aren't.

It would be, should it come to frution (thank fuck for ukgov IT cock ups), simply, a technology of political control. Read all about it in this European Parliament document from 1998 : "An appraisal of technologies for political control." http://jya.com/stoa-atpc.htm

From the executive summary :

"It identifies the continuum of control which stretches from modem law enforcement to advanced state suppression, the difference being the level of democratic accountability in the manner in which such technologies are applied. "

Hmm, no oversight, no judicial control, fuck all accountability, which end of that continuum are we at ?

http://www.writetothem.com/ Don't wait until your door gets kicked in at 4am in the morning because a computer in a bunker says "yes"

Time to start running a TOR node methnks; obsfucates my own traffic and provides a service all in one :)

FTA

"It is also required of the UK under a European directive, and a bill is expected in the Queen's speech."

So by European law - all human rights to privacy are now suspended.

Will they have a special ceremony to burn the European Convention on Human Rights as well?

Personally I wouldn't trust TOR too much, especially if I was running a node.

Even assuming you accept the risk of the type of traffic that may end up going through your connection, it isn't exactly perfect.

For a start there are the untrustworthy exit nodes, busy scanning and/or modifying your traffic. Obviously end-to-end encryption can get you around this but it's something to consider.

What's more of a concern are the nodes put in place by various organisations having an interest in your connection data. From what I saw there were enough nodes in place to give a good idea of the full end-to-end routing, particularly as the nodes appeared to be configured with a preference for forwarding traffic to other nodes they considered 'friendly'.

So in theory at least they could achieve the current level of 'legal' monitoring of connection data, and nothing in particular prevents monitoring of the actual message contents at the exit node..

It would be extraordinarily naive to have though there wouldn't be efforts in place to monitor something like TOR, and in practice it isn't particularly difficult to exploit the theoretical weaknesses by putting sufficient hostile nodes in place. And it's easy to see that any traffic run through something like TOR is potentially of interest.

It's possible to negate some of the risk by excluding particular nodes in your configuration, but in practice it isn't really possible to eliminate the risk because you can't easily tell good nodes from bad. Only in a few cases are the indicators obvious. And there don't seem to be any comprehensive lists of the nodes to avoid.

If you're really that concerned, don't use any network. Security of connection data just doesn't exist. And using an obfuscation tool just makes it more likely someone will decide to look at your message data too.

... does not include the contents of a call, email or webpage

I think someone missed out the word "Yet" :-(

May I welcome our Stasi-emulating overlords...

To misquote The Vapors, I’m turning Chinese. I think I’m turning Chinese. I really think so… £12 billion to teach the population of the UK the wariness and evasion tactics of the Chinese. Secure connections to services hosted outside the country. Not using the local version of Skype. The use of VPNs and relay cascades such as JonDonym and, where appropriate, Tor.

As soon as they said "It's not us, it's the EU making us" (as they did with biometric passports, the fuckers are shameless), I thought "Is this legislation that Tony pushed through on the EU so that he could push it back home, like the Human Rights Act, passed when El Presidente TB was in chrage?"

It was a great coup getting Tony's legilsation passed there. If it was welcomed, it would be Tone's Opus. And when it wasn't, it was them nasty frogs and eye-ties making us do it. And the mouth breathers swallowed it.

The British sent lawmakers to word a great deal of what eventually evolved into the ECHR, and it was worded like the Weimar Constitution.

Go figure.