Feeds

back to article Sergey Brin descends from Mount Sinai with Android API

If there's one thing that's never affected by economic downturn, it's the mobile handset market. This phenomenon is most evident at the underground parties and dive bars in San Francisco, where it is a well known yet unspoken tradition that in any given group of hipsters, the one with the cheapest phone must always buy the first …

COMMENTS

This topic is closed for new posts.
Flame

Oh yes, and...

Shit.

No particular reason for saying that, but then again saying it as often as possible for no particular reason does seem to be the rule in Ted's articles. So I thought I'd play along.

0
0
Happy

Insufficent Profanity Error

196: Cannot parse article, feed input through Swearb0t first.

0
0
Anonymous Coward

Too much shit

Please ask the author to spend a little time reading some of Lewis "never-use-the-same-adjective-twice" Page's work. It is entertaining and engaging. I lost interest after the fourth "shit".

0
0
Thumb Down

What a terrible article

As a developer I'm embarassed for you.

Really, what do you expect of an API - for it to be so trivial that Windows developers can pick it up in 5 minutes? Put some effort in for Gods sake and stop whining, or just go back to Windows... the issue here is not API more PEBKAC.

0
0
Anonymous Coward

"Morph The Screen Into Something Cool"

I see what you did there.

0
0
Tom
Pirate

Agree with 1st AC

Whats with all the profanity, it just felt like I was reading some whining forum post by some spotty script kiddie.

0
0
Flame

You've changed man! You used to be cool.

So Google have released a free, open source SDK so far superior to MIDP that it's not comparable, got it onto a reasonable priced device in a reasonable amount of time and got that out onto the shelves. They're using a popular, powerful, concise language, with no legal restrictions.

They have provided great docs, given us Eclipse to develop in (which is incidentally the greatest IDE ever, didn't El Reg review it recently and loved it?), provided several good samples including one rather fun sounding one written by the company CEO, all the while being open and responsive to the community. There are no stupid Applesque licensing issues, no usage restrictions to speak of, no picky App store, no expensive certification process.

You then spend thirty seconds reading Apple fanboy blogs and discover (much to our surprise) that you're not only the formost authority on all of the above, but a fucking funny guy as well.

Perhaps you might spend more than four minutes with the product. Perhaps if you didn't approach a brand new SDK, for a new OS, designed to run on a new device like it was VB6 then you might not get so cross when you, through nobodies fault but your own, fail to grasp it.

As it is you seemed to have had a little tantrum and spent longer writing the article denouncing it, then you did reviewing the actual product.

Strangly enough, I've just taken a half hour to look at the SDK, and (for example) the ways to create an application that runs background are well documented, the first reference to it on the first page you SHOULD have read (http://code.google.com/android/intro/lifecycle.html)

This article teaches us very little about the SDK, but a whole lot about your skills as a writer and programmer.

Before I get accused of the same kind of Zealotry, but merely pro-Google, I will remind those that care that I am a professional C# programmer, and as such carry no prejudice toward any language/company. These things should be judged on their individual merit.

0
0
Paris Hilton

Not that bad

For all its profanity, I think this article is actually a pretty good representation of hobbyists views on the subject. As someone who occasionally spurns the pub in favour of tinkering with a new gadget, I absolutely identify with the "Okay bored now, show me how to make something cool" mentality. The Android documentation should focus on how to a basic task with each device or function and let developers glue it all together. Obviously not replacing the full API docs in the process though, they're just as essential.

Paris cos she knows all about the hands-on approach.

0
0
Thumb Up

Go Ted!!

Gotta love Ted's "tell it like you would to your mate at the pub" 'tactile' style of writing...

Simple solution, avoid Fail & You if you can't stand some profanity now and then.

More from Ted...!

0
0
Dead Vulture

Fail and Reg

I'm not really sure what you're trying to tell us. Did you forget what you were ranting about? Were you expecting point-and-click coding or something?

0
0
Alert

@Neil

yep, ok so its a satirical piece by a 'lazy' developer and I agree that you need to put a bit of work in; but do you need to be such a pretentious knob head by having a pop at windows developers? I don't want a flame war or any other b*llsh!t but really no need for this fake snobbery sheesh

0
0
Flame

Arrrrgghh!!! Rarrrr grrrr...

Everything on el Reg is not exactly as I want it! Sometimes I disagree with your writer's opinions! I will be immediately removing your site from my bookmarks! etc., etc.

0
0

@Neil

"Really, what do you expect of an API - for it to be so trivial that Windows developers can pick it up in 5 minutes?"

Spoken like an open-source jerkoff who's never spent more than five minutes in his life trying to write code to the Windows APIs. About which -- even if it is like bashing your own testicles repeatedly with a hammer, you at least have to respect the stubbornness and pain tolerance of somebody who can *do* that.

0
0

@Neil

If you think that the Windows API is trivial, you've clearly never tried to code against it.

And if you think that developers should be made to jump through cock size defining hoops by APIs in order to prove their metal, then you're a dickhead. Coding prowess in the face of some unholy turdspurt of a poorly written API is just fine, for hobbyists and spotty teenagers with nothing better to do with their time and everything to prove, professionals like productivity. It pays the bills.

Stupid fucking freetard.

0
0
Thumb Down

I've just wasted

five minutes of my life that I'll never recover reading this

0
0
Thumb Down

written when tired and drunk?

an angry diatribe written when drunk?

IME, a simple toolkit which is trivially easy to learn quickly ends up becoming restrictive and you spend more time working around its limitations than coding the app.

OTOH, a really really complex toolkit which allows you to do anything can have a very steep learning curve and take ages to write anything trivial.

Lots and lots of people have tried to come up with a good compromise, and some have been successful (QT from Trolltech), others failed or stayed in their niche markets.

0
0
Thumb Up

TL;DR

"I just didn't really feel like taking the time to learn Android's whole programming model"

I just didn't really feel like taking the time to read this big wank of an article.

0
0
Gates Halo

wow, it's just like Windows Mobile but without the maturity

so Google come out with something that's almost on par with what Windows Mobile has been offering for years and all of a sudden the world is caught up in the hype.

Woot.

At least they've not got a locked down application store like Apple, but apart from that what's this offering that WM6 has on 18m+ shipping devices a year?

0
0

@Aaron et al

Actually I spent quite some time programming the Windows API pre Windows 3.0, pre-MFC, pre all the Windows RAD environments, religously going through Charles Petzold books etc. circa 1989.

Perhaps if you replace "Windows developers" with "VB developers" does that make it better?

No malice meant to developers who know their API backwards, but the author just comes across as a cut & paste/point & click merchant who can't be arsed to learn the basics (whether that be programming, or an API). Much like a lot of "VB coders" I've had the misfortune to work with (usually picking up their shite and making it work - times are hard).

0
0
Flame

@OffBeatMammal

An Open Source IDE perhaps? Rather than the bloaty, expensive Visual Studio

0
0
Flame

For those whining about the language

Get a clue. When the category on the story is "Fail and You", it's going to have this language. He's not going to change his writing style because some nitwit pitched a fit. If you're just gonna bitch and moan, don't read the story.

0
0
Flame

@Michael: Actually, that works both ways

More clue needed; this is a public forum for commenting on articles on a public website, and you're not its moderator.

If you're just gonna bitch and moan, don't read the forums.

0
0
Happy

I didn't notice the "profanity" - wonder what side of the Atlantic you prigs are from

Although I think the best comment was by an American

http://www.loudthinking.com/posts/15-potty-mouths

Not sure I agree with him fully, but he has a point

0
0
Go

Almost SFW and I'm surprised...

...at the restraint Mr. Dzubia has shown in this article re: the language.

That's obviously why he had to use the S-word so often. He's showing consideration to the tarts who complained about the language before, and restricting himself to only one profanity per article.

It's almost reminiscent of British TV in the 70s: "You can have 5 bloodys for 1 tit".

Aside from that, it's an opinion delivered in a provocative vernacular. Otherwise, who'd read about Andriod?

Posted from work, hence the verbal restraint shown here...

0
0
Anonymous Coward

@The other Steve

Erm, coding against the windows API *is* trivial. It's a shitload easier than, say, X-windows or Mac System 7 coding (to name two other WIMP API development experiences I've had). And before you start claiming "I've never coded against it" or any such rubbish, I've been a commercial Windows developer for 15 years, in C, C++, and C#.

0
0

@Almost SFW and I'm surprised...

Taking the middle ground doesn't please anyone. I was eagerly awaiting another Dziuba piece, but this one fell flat.

Either rein it in completely, or don't hold back, Ted.

@Bob Scratchit

Perchance your name comes from a Christma episode of a 90's cartoon?

0
0

I should know better but

I will join in anyway.

It is trivial to create a windows based application, hundreds of thousands of apps prove this.

Unfortunatly the majority of which are pretty, crap cos they where knocked out by point & click merchants who think they are developers. same as there are very few people I would count as web developers, the majority (sadly) are web monkeys, as is shown by the huge amount of redundant crap in the web pages.

The majority of self styled Windows devleopers just string MS API calls together and sprinkle some of little of their own code throughout the app. (though it's not only MS world who are guilty of this). However to get produce something decent you actually need more than the point & click mindset that so many are inflicted with.

Yes I have coded for Windoze, with C++, Delphi and even some kludges (and user interface mockup) with VB. I even did some stuff in assembler becasue I objected to visual C producing a 1.5 meg file simply to change mac address values from Catos to IOS formats (sub 2K was a var better size).

Just my tuppence

0
0
Thumb Down

learn the bloody api

it's google fault you can't be arsed to learn the API? in that case they're doing a great job sorting out the serious developers from the time-wasters.

0
0

@Anonymous from Mars

Agreed. This article was kinda blah. It lacked energy. He didn't even have the energy to learn the bloody API a little better. I was excited to see "Fail and You" come up but this was bland.

0
0
Unhappy

Once again

Epic FAIL.

The prohibition against using contractions exists for the writers benefit too since so few people can use them correctly. Benefit from this.

0
0
Go

That app...I would use that.

As a San Franciscan and soon to be G1 owner, I would actually use that app. Well, even better would be if it pointed to the nearest Republican and nearest Democratic districts. Maybe add total population of the voting district as well?

I'm thinking this could be useful because, to a limited degree, political party affiliation might be a signal for what kinds of shops and services are available in the area. So as I'm driving along I5 (the big-ass freeway that runs the length of California) and I want to find an area that has "my kind" of retail, then I can pull this up and know which way to head. And which way is not so promising.

Great idea, Ted. Make it so!

Mahlen

0
0
This topic is closed for new posts.