UK minister looks for delete key on user generated content
Mike Crawshaw
I want some of his drugs #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 13:04 GMT

"TV is where people often look for expert or authoritative opinion."
Really. Is it.
Expert opinion like "yeah you really should pay £50,000 more than you can afford in your wildest dreams for this house, because it's a great investment" that's STILL showing on all those fucking "I Wanna Nu HOUSE!" shows?
Or perhaps the conspiracy theories shown on Panorama etc, which even I, as a man who changes his tin foil hat every month to prevent anyone developing a microwave that can bypass its countours following satellite imagery, laugh at?
Or Big Celebrity Strictly Come Wanking Pigs Brother? Those are expert and informative, for sure.
Expert opinion my furry arse. It's about as authoritative as the definition of short selling, wear and tear and immigration rules on Wikipedia....
Conclusion: the man is a twat. And you can put that on TV, because it's an authoritative opinion.
Destroy All Monsters
"But I still ... haven't found ... what I'm looking for" #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 13:04 GMT

"TV is where people often look for expert or authoritative opinion."
IMMEDIATE DISQUALIFICATION!
GO BACK TO FAIL!
GET YOUR HEAD EXAMINED!
Jim Coleman
Arse! #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 13:04 GMT

What this desperate limelight-hungry flunkmonkey fails to appreciate with that pea-rattle head of his is that it is the responsibility of parents to control their offspring's access to the net, not the governbent. So he can splork right off and go munch a swisher.
mark Scott
Here we go again #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 13:21 GMT
Another very stupid politician standing up doing the king canute ( or take a couple of vowels away and rearrange) act - back tide I say and begone.
I find there is far more harmful content in a politicians speeches as they are more damaging to peoples minds than any amount interwibble xxx content.
Can we have a delete key for the house of commons ?
Anonymous Coward
oh #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 13:21 GMT
oh just fuck off you fucking fucks. Is my message to these fucking idiots, just before they get shot by a firing squad from the "British Liberation Army" *sigh* I can dream right? Shame a large percentage of this country is manned by repellant retards that believe in this kind of vomit.
Sorry about the language - but they just make me sick. The politicos and the populace.
Anonymous Coward
off-shore data haven #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 14:00 GMT

This would be a _really_ good time for someone to set up a proper off-shore data haven. One with it's own laws and government. Like that off-shore world-war island that was sold off recently.
Dan
It's not just Culcha Minister Andy Burnham #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 14:09 GMT
Jacqui Smith (Home Office) also wants a big delete button.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/01/17/home_office_smith_speech_web_terror_crackdown_insanity/
Conclusion: This is government policy across any and all departments which could possibly have anything to do with the Internet and even though if the talking head changes the policy will stay the same.
And that's how it was possible to "subtly" upgrade the suggestion from the Byron report that net nanny software be made available to parents to a big delete button in Whitehall.
Anonymous Coward
DAA? #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 14:09 GMT

The last time I looked at a TV for expert or authoritative opinion was watching "Yes Prime Minister", which taught me that ministers are almost invariably going to say something mind numbingly stupid every time they open their mouths. Oh look, they were right.
Mine's the one with Humphrey the cat and a batch of "lost" discs from the Department of Administrative Affairs in the pocket.
Frumious Bandersnatch
Route to 127.0.0.1 #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 14:09 GMT

http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm
It's not going to stop a dedicated teen finding out what's going on and circumventing it, but it's free and doesn't require much tech savoir faire on the part of the parent. Other solutions which lock down the PC locally are a second best bet, while the very worst idea is to pass browser requests to an external service and have them decide what's appropriate or not. Having an external site monitor your web traffic (ie, spy on you) in the guise of "thinking of the children" has got to be one of the most unethical tricks you can pull, IMO. The Jesuit maxim of "get 'em while they're young" is as repugnant on the web as it is in meatspace.
I came across a firefox extension a while back which took this approach. I think it was extension #588, but after checking it now, that's being used for something else. I can only hope that the company went bust and they forfeited the ID number. No doubt it won't be the last time someone tries selling the public spyware in the guise of "protecting the children". Parents, be warned!
Chris Burns
Has it really come to this... #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 14:09 GMT
It used to be that TV was denigrated by radio listeners, and before TV, radio listeners were denigrated by readers...
Now some no-nothing from government is making the same connection between the internet and TV. As another commenter noted (Mike Crawshaw), TV isn't exactly covering itself in glory right now...
Kids are curious - they always have been, always will be - it's all part of some weird thing that happens called "growing up". Now when I were a lad (nostalgia hat on) - we weren't allowed out round the neighbourhood to play unless we had a good understanding of what we could and couldn't do out there - and if you didn't have that knowledge, you were accompanied by an older brother / sister. It amazes me that although the playground seems to have changed from local streets to the internet, parents still allow kids to wander at will - often unsupervised (computer in the bedroom - keeps them off the streets - keeps them out of the parent's hair...)
I realise this is a tech site, and so the visitors on here who also happen to be parents will be aware of what the internet is - a place where there really is too much information sometimes - and plenty of it that isn't suitable for these almost middle-aged eyes - never mind young children clicking randomly from one page to another. Knowing some IT-literate friends who have children, they have their computers in communal areas, which are always in sight. It seems that often, it's when the kids know more about technology than their parents when the problems start to occur.
I don't have any answers to this, as I'm not a Daily Mail / Express reader - just my observations.
Rob
I've got nothing. #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 14:09 GMT

No, really. What could I possibly say that wouldn't be redundant?
Andrew
Screw this #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 14:09 GMT
Are people that scared of saying no to their hoody wearing, knife carrying children? Oh wait, that might mean actually having to speak to them...
DaveOfArabia
"[H]armful content on the internet" #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 14:09 GMT

Andy Burnham probably considers anything which might result in him getting booted out of office as "harmful content". Then he would have to find out what the real world was like, outside of his ministerial limo.
What planet do these people come from?
davenewman
Children are not helpless victims, they can tell Ministers what to do. #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 14:09 GMT

All the child protection legislation assumes children are helpless victims, not people who have to right to participative in decisions that affect them (under the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child). This means that children cannot even e-mail MPs, as MPs haven't had a police check for suitability when working with children (www.wimps.org.uk has to anonymise their e-mails). Youth groups cannot run their discussions on Bebo, in case two friends away there is some swearing: they would be responsible for exposing children to swearing.
Can't Minister's get the point that much of the user-generated content is produced by young people, therefore it cannot be inappropriate according to their own values: only the values of politicians and newspaper editors who should retire now as they are still living in the 20th century.
Anonymous Coward
Teacher Jacqui says no talking in class #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 14:09 GMT
What a patronising law, we can't talk about adult topics unless it's sanctioned by a government body as acceptable to small children? Isn't that just a creepy censoring government hiding behind the excuse of protecting kids?
Are we all supposed to talk like "diddums my dibby powitician is stoopidy", baby talk for them?
What about Tard Children? Don't they need EXTRA care? Can't we make the Internet safe for tards? Wrap the corners of the DSL box in padding so they don't hurt themselves perhaps?
How about dotty old women with dried up vaginas that are bitter about men and live on their own in their sad little rooms with lots of cats? They need EXTRA EXTRA care, why they even have Curfews because sounds late at night frighten them.
Or it's just another smothering nanny law courtesy of your unelected Prime Minister and his creepy Blairite ministers?
Anonymous Coward
Does this twat not realise... #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 14:09 GMT

...the internet is global? Is he trying to kill off the UK hosting industry? If they start dictating what is allowed online I'm sure I wouldn't be the only one moving websites abroad and then waving a proverbial finger in the governments direction.
I just wish these clueless fucktards would keep their hands off what they don't understand.
Anonymous Coward
Reeeeeeeaaally? #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 14:12 GMT
"TV is where people often look for expert or authoritative opinion."
If they do they are deluded. The days of impartial, informative TV are long gone, if they ever existed in the first place. Is the bias on TV fairly modern or as access to the internet revealed 'factual' TV programming for the sham it is? TV is full of junk science and opinion masquerading as fact. The hideously bad BBC Panarama episode on wireless networking springs to mind. It seems to me TV is just like the internet, the bloggers just have bigger wallets.
Michael
We are all children now #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 14:12 GMT

and children are the enemy.
The government now seems to feel their primary purpose is protecting people from themselves. Clearly we cannot be trusted to make our own decisions or form our own opinions.
Rick
Fuck the children. #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 14:12 GMT
So let me get this straight. The content in question is perfectly legal, so the logical response to it is to ban it because some children might see. Right. While we're at it, why don't we ban cars as well? Children aren't allowed to drive them but one might get in my car at some point, and we can't be having that now, can we?
Anonymous Coward
ok its time to talk truths here #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 14:12 GMT
"TV is where people often look for expert or authoritative opinion."
Its very clear where this is all heading - Think China - think Bloggers getting arrested think UK next...
This is fundementally where we are heading.
As he says people often turn to TV (controlled content tells you what they wish to tell you wish things such as news being filtered by GOV to ensure we get to hear what they want us to hear)
God forbit we have a few brains cells and can think for our ownselves and have our own views.
If they wanted kids to be safe on the internet either ban internet for kids since its bad for them exactly like alcohol and smokings and let them use it when they are 16 or 18.
Or just simply offer an insentive to parents to go via content filtered connection such as AOL
This is just another step to 1984.
Anonymous Coward
Thank you... #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 14:57 GMT

...for:
flunkmonkey
and
Big Celebrity Strictly Come Wanking Pigs Brother
cheered me up, no end.
Steven
Why is it... #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 14:57 GMT

This government seems to want to rubberstamp every little frickin thing we do before we are allowed to to it. Soon we'll have to fill in a 10 page health and safety risk assessment before even pressing the power button on our computers.
The internet is the last bastion of free speech in this world, luckily it was originally developed to survive a nuclear bomb so hopefully it should survive nu labours bum fuckery of our remaining civil liberties </rant>
Steve
You don't think anything will actually come of it, do you? #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 14:57 GMT
These fuckwits couldn't find their arses with both hands behind their backs - and stapled to their arses.
They'll shout a lot, get a few headlines and then quietly kill it once it's eplained to them what a bunch of ignorant cock-pockets they are and how it would only ever be a political clusterfuck if they did more than just waffle.
amanfromMars
The problem is with the adults ...... leave them kids alone. #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 14:57 GMT
"These are either the words of someone who hasn’t the first idea how user-generated content works – or alternatively, a man with a very sinister plan indeed."
Considering he is expounding upon the subject, I think we can bin the first thought and accept the second.
"Governments across Europe are not altogether happy with the way in which user-generated content is allowing debate to open up on issues in ways they can no longer control."
Oh dear. What a Shame Not. Get Used to IT Being So. You may Consider that a Fully Transparent Global Meritocracy will Virtually Appear and Present Closed Closetted Government with their Weaknesses in the Greater Global InterNetional Context.
Governments are Not there to Actually Lead, that is the Leader's Job, they are there to Server the Will of the People which they are Duty Bound Surely to Gather and Reflect? The Napoleon/Caesar Types will just espouse their own hidden agenda/dodgy views and always refrain from answering questions which need dodging because of what is hidden or not there. Politician's Block to Prevent Discovery thus ForeStalling Recovery..... which is Scandalous and probably Treasonable in Noble Times.
Presently they Sit in Judgement of those Needs and whether to Feed with Cash Donated .... which would be All Taxation. And that is a Rank Abuse of the System which will always Disadvantage and Discriminate against the Poor and the Less Well Educated, Allowing Virtual Slavery to Flourish.
Obviously a State of Affairs which is Inequitable and Cruel and thus with no Place in a Supposed Civilised Society in the 21st Century. For it to Survive will Render the Notion of a Global Civilisation with any Power or Control of Civilisation, Null and Void. A Myth Perpetuated to Rig the Great Game for Dark and Ancient Orders, with Apparently Zero Ability to Change the State of World Affairs with IT and Media BroadBandCasting [also sometimes known as TV] into a Beta Game for One and All.
You may like to Consider that that is AI Beta Plan Constructed as an ARGonaut's Quest.
Keir Snelling
@Mike Crawshaw #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 14:57 GMT
"Big Celebrity Strictly Come Wanking Pigs Brother"
Sir, that's outstanding. I may borrow it from time to time if that is ok with you.
JohnG
UK law enforced worldwide? #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 15:02 GMT
Given that laws in the UK are fairly puritanical, anything more than soft porn is hosted abroad. So how does this idiot think he is going to get cooperation from companies hosting hardcore porn in say, Russia? I can't see even the Germans or Scandinavians agreeing to this.
If they are so worried about making the Internet safe for kids, why don't they give a shit about the streets of major cities? If a child of mine saw some porn on the Internet, I wouldn't be quite as worried as if they got stabbed on the way home from school.
Anonymous Coward
the irony #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 15:02 GMT
The irony is still, that whilst the UK spirals off racing towards a fascist despotism, China gingerly babysteps towards a more open society (sure it ain't going quickly but a generation ago China was a completly different place to how it is now, I know a great many Chinese who say that China was bad, but now it seems far better then where the UK is going, and these people left China for a land of freedom, now they've seen it, they wanna go back.) Infact every Chinese person I know at the moment is looking to going back.
Vaughan
I see a future... #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 15:41 GMT

in which those critical of UK.gov are only able to have their content hosted in Russia or China.
I'm not sure which is more ironic - this suggestion or my choice of icon :-(
Anonymous Coward
Fairly typical of a statist government type #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 15:41 GMT
This guy is from the labour statist government. He REALLY believes that the state should intervene in everything - he's only taking it to its logical conclusion. What everybody needs to do is vote the buggers out at the next election - anybody who voted labour is basically getting what they voted for.
N
@MC #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 15:41 GMT
Big Celebrity Strictly Come Wanking Pigs Brother
Thats outstanding, someone grab the domain & well host it offshore
Anonymous Coward
TV Authorative #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 15:41 GMT
Yeah right, this guy is deluded, most of TV is pulp propaganda.
If only we had a list of government, and civil service IPs we could just block them from even seeing it.
Anonymous Coward
@JohnG #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 15:41 GMT
Well media companies seem good at detecting that we arn't in their region so we don't get their streaming content (Japan and the States both have sites that are good at this) as such it wouldn't be mind boggelingly difficult for a neo-fascist puritan government to get all IP addresses that arn't in the UK black listed... as such turning out the lights and creating a nice happy environment for us all to live in whilst we roast dog on spits huddled under bridges paying a few bags of crisps to hookers for a few hours of aids infested in out in out ontop of a rug of old bin bags and animal carcases. Until one day the cleaners come and gun us down.
No one from outside the country will know of our plight, not being allowed to leave the protected green zones created in brighlty lit utopian cities fed a constant stream of government sponcered media.
The futures bright, the futures nugov.
Dave Ross
This.. #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 17:03 GMT

comment has been removed for the protection of the children.
HM Govt.
Charlie
Everyone's had a good old moan about it, the question is? #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 17:03 GMT
Who's going to vote in the next election?
Anonymous Coward
time to let Tanya Byron know what we all think #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 17:03 GMT
Byron.Review@dcsf.gsi.gov.uk
I think we should all email her at above address and tell he psychology is physical and Internet is virtual
to get her head out out of her virtual arse.
Solomon Grundy
@JohnG #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 17:03 GMT
The UK will do it the same way as China, Thailand, and some South American countries do it... The technology exists to allow only what "the Man" says is acceptable to be online. It'll be too bad when the UK is part of the aformentioned list, but that's they way it's probably going to do. No one in the West has covered themselves in Glorious Uprisings for Freedom in the past few years and I don't think anyone has the gumption start now either.
Eurydice Sophie Exintaris
We'll take care of OUR internet #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 17:03 GMT

I do hate it when technologically illiterate people attempt to make technology-related recommendations.
LEAVE THE TECH TO THE TECHIES !!
Focus on sitting in your chair and passing bills...
We'll take care of OUR internet.
Anonymous Coward
Nothing to do with children. #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 20:03 GMT

Just an excuse to introduce censorship.
We are, as a society (global or otherwise) going through the same sort of nonsense that followed the spread of the printing press. All sort of "interested" parties do not like this new fangled technology which we, the masses, have the sheer nerve to use as a communication and reporting medium. They spent years taking over the TV industry to turn it into the trivial, dumbed down heap of dung it is today and now we have the internet and they have to start all over again.
Expect a big push towards subscription based access to everything from diskless workstations. That is how they'll strangle the freedom of the net. In order to access your applications and data you'll have to go through portals and sign acceptable use agreements and those sites that contain "unwanted or inconvenient content" won't be accessible.
Anonymous Coward
The Under 12s Internet portal, The Under 16's Internet Portal #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 20:03 GMT

Come on Government provide a service for parents that they can manage, and butt out of everybody else's lives. You might even make some money out of it!
Richard Porter
Putting a symbol on web content #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 20:03 GMT

(assuming you could do it) is like putting a document in a red cover with "TOP SECRET" on it - it must be read - whereas putting "READ ME" on the cover means it can safely be ignored. We should be educating children about what's on the web, not creating more forbidden fruit. Anyway kids are a lot smarter than politicians - they'll find a way.
Dave
Another award! #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 20:03 GMT
Once again a government minister wins the Total Bollocks Award. You don't need a delete key for inappropriate content, you need parental responsibility and the OFF switch.
Anonymous Coward
Great firewall of China #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 20:03 GMT
Could it not be argued that the IWF is being used to activate a Graet Firewall of the UK?
Start with the soft option (everyone hates kiddie porn, possible the more it gives you wood the harder you say you hate it)
And the ratchet it all up; chat rooms suicide sites,bittorent bans, horse fuckers, I assume the next to fall under the easy option will be hooker sites, as they have done with the classifieds in the local newspapers
Is it something in their DNA that makes them want to do it?
Chris G
GOVUK taking a liberty near you #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 20:03 GMT
As someone earlier mentioned,`anyone critical of the UK gov may have to have their content hosted in Russia´, yeah and probably have to live there too!
In response to Andy Burn'em (Books, Computers or anything not approved by Govuk). The job of controlling content in the lives of children, whether online or elsewhere is the responsibility of parents. The whole point of our having evolved this way , where mature humans give birth to young that have a relatively prolonged immature stage, is so that the relevant information that will equip the young for survival can be imparted to said young by their parents during this stage. Just like most of the other animals on the planet.
If the parents don't know how to do this , then teach them, surprisingly learning how to be a parent starts in childhood ( Oh no , can't do that it's sexual stereotyping) . Governments should be around to lead and by bringing together resources provide infrastructure for society, they are NOT for controlling every last detail of people's lives, so tell Andy to either help parents to parent , or fuck off and mind the business of his own family
Sooty
why? #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 20:03 GMT
why *should* the internet be made suitable for children?
The internet is basically a place for everyone to communicate with each other. If you don't want your children communicating with random strangers, which is exactly what the internet is designed to facilitate, then don't let them use it. Exercise some f*cking parental responsibility instead of ruining it for the rest of us.
Anonymous Coward
ignore Burnham #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 20:03 GMT

he's my MP and he' s a self serving tit.Show him the door
FrankR
ban cameras #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 21:57 GMT
I believe we should ban or regulate cameras. Their user generated content is often tawdry. Surely we can devise a camera which will take only (UK) gov. approved pix!
Schultz
Won't anybobdy think about... #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 21:57 GMT
the old farts who want to enjoy their retirement and see all the stuff they were never allowed to access while at work? And with age running against them, they need the nasty bits advertised Real Big and Everywhere to make sure they don't get lost on the way.
Get Inphormed, and turn off the telly already.
Graham Marsden
"the Home Office actively pursuing plans..." #
Posted Thursday 2nd October 2008 21:57 GMT
"...to block material that is not actually illegal to possess."
Not forgetting, of course, their plans to criminalise possession of material of acts that are not actually illegal to do!
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/30/scotland_extreme_pr0n_law/
http://www.caan.org.uk/
MahatmaCoat
Something must be done! #
Posted Friday 3rd October 2008 00:07 GMT

The Internet was designed to route around serious damage so routing around wankers like Andy Burn 'em should be no problem.
Where's the complete and utter tosser icon?
Stewart Haywood
I get confused #
Posted Friday 3rd October 2008 08:50 GMT

I thought that ID cards were going to sort all this out.