Russian police in the troubled region of Ingushetia shot dead a prominent web journalist on Sunday night, shortly after he was taken into custody. Magomed Yevloyev was arrested after getting off a flight in Nazran, Ingushetia. Kaloi Akhilgov, a lawyer close to the Ingushetiya.ru website run by Yevloyev, said Yevloyev was taken …
210 ^h^h^h 211
211 Journalists killed, 109 under Putin, some shot, some committed 'suicide' by throwing themselves off tall buildings, quite a few like this one, arrested then turn up dead. If he hadn't have been seen to be arrested by the police, they would deny knowledge of him I bet.
Putin also has the 'Nashi', essentially the Russian version of the Hitler Youth brigade, that march in support of Putin whenever there is an opposition to him.
We really shouldn't go appeasing Putin here over Georgia, and certainly can't trust him to deliver our energy supplies.
@From russia with love...
Seriously anyone expect anything else from the banna republic of russia?
by the police to cover it up, it would have been far more convincing if he'd been shot in the leg or chest or, pretty much anywhere apart from the head. I cannot imagine any situation in which attempting to sieze a gun would involve it pointing at your own head.*
presumably they remembered to take his handcuffs off, before releasing the story.
*except possibly attempting to sieze it whilst it was already pointing at your head as you are about to be executed!
in soviet russia
search enginen finds you....
mines the one with the T-38 keys in
Godwin's Law invoked in the first post. This one could get messy.
A bit like NHS treatment
How are they going to explain chucking the body out of the car onto the pavement?
"We struggled, he got shot in the head accidentally, then he opened the door and got out..........oh and we had to drive off quickly because we had to get the car cleaned before the police chief saw the mess...."
Not that there will be any explanation coming anyhow, too obvious. Muppet amatuers.
At least MI5 & MI6 do a better job.
ran out of steam ages ago :
@Godwins law, Nashi = Hitler Youth
Nope Godswins law doesn't apply since the founder of Nashi *himself*, said it was a counter to the rise of Nazism in Russian... that reverso logic of the Kremlin again.... like sending the tanks and troops into central Georgia and calling it 'demilitarization'.... like invading Georgia then accusing the *EU* of 'interfering in Georgia'.... always says the opposite of reality.
Since he invoked Godwin, I'm entitled to point out what Nashi really is. They are Putin's version of the Hitler youth in all but name. The kids get recruiting on the grounds of 'nationalism' then fed pro Putin propaganda, flat out lies etc.. This leaflet (written before the 'election' and stating the result in past tense is typical):
"On December 2nd we elected President Putin to be the National Leader of Russia. The President and his party won a devastating victory. They won in exactly the same way that over the past 5 years they have destroyed the terrorists in Chechnya, paid back all of Russia's debts, regained our country's respect, taken back the huge petroleum reserves of Sakhalin-2, and captured the 2014 Olympics for Sochi."
"The USA had a different plan. It wanted the traitors and thieves to win - the American citizen Kasparov, the fascist Limonov, and Nemtsov, who sold off the country. They don’t agree that Putin won. The traitors still want to seize power and take Russia back to the oligarchic and chaotic 1990’s, and once again give the bandits and embezzlers the ability to rob our country and sell off our oil and gas for a pittance. From December3 until the official announcement of the election results, they will try to seize the city squares and buildings, incite disorder, and steal our victory. "
There may be trouble ahead....
Mind you the UK police shot someone in the head and somehow got away with it. They've also taken to upping their intimidation of political protests.
Not that that makes Russia right.
With this latest farce and what's going on in Georgia, I'm willing to do my small part in showing support for those oppressed by Putin & Co by shopping for a few bottles of Georgian wine tonight.
They're the best (only ?) wine country in that part of the world and their 'Saperavi', among others, is supposed to be quite good.
So, show your support by buying Georgian wine and staying off the Russian vodka ;)
@Nashi ran out of steam...
....like Russia withdrew from Georgia. The Kremlin funded schools are still in business it's still there, still doing the Putin propaganda. Business as usual.
The worrying thing about this...
is the amount of people who belive the Russian propoganda around the world, and think that NATO, the EU and the US are 100% wrong all of the time. They are not the best people in the world, but at least most of the time they try and do the right thing for other people (even if it is there own people, or companys in the countrys they govern) where as Russia seems to be heading towards a state where everything is about how the leaders look, and how they can make money.
Even when it is about how the leaders of NATO, the EU and the US look, they are at least trying to look like good people, where as Russia seem to be trying to look strong and want people to fear them.
It is very worrying. AC because some people will strongly dissagree with me and there are a few to many people around here who will take it very personaly.
"Yes, sir - I fired a carefully aimed, accidental, warning shot three inches below the top of the victim's head."
@ Anonymouse Coward
"We really shouldn't go appeasing Putin here over Georgia, and certainly can't trust him to deliver our energy supplies."
I don't think Europe (or the Yankee Doodle Dandies) are appeasing Russia. Do you?
We can't really trust anyone to deliver cheap and reliable energy, which is why we must become energy self-sufficient.
Russians Believe in Putin...
Just like most of the Chinese people stand behind their leaders on their government's supression of the Pro-Tibetian uprising, the majority of the Russion people stand behind Putin to squash these rebels who are bent on "destroying" Russia. If the majority believes this, then it does no good what the people outside of these countries believe. It is time for the UK, U.S. and the European Union to stop being dependent on these countries for cheap goods & services (China) and energy (Russia).
Putin is Mugabe
It seems to me that Putin and Mugabe are brothers in the fight against evil Western hegemonic liberal capitalism. That would be us, then.
Putin is really becoming a evil bogey man. I hope he reconsiders his strategy.
Remembering Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht
Opposite sign, but same murder.
Your a fax machine ?
It's bad, but...
I can't help the horrible feeling that this is part of a propaganda precursor to some hopefully *limited* military action against Russia. Limited? Sure, I'm hoping for the moon. Russia has a big nuclear arsenal and effective delivery mechanisms.
Engaging in energy war - if this is what it's about - is an insane and profligate non-solution. We need to become self-sufficient in energy, and we need a new electric transport infrastructure. Save the oil for genuinely unavoidable wars.
Maybe I'm just being paranoid.
In capitalist Russia
they shoot first, and well never ask questions.
Disidency should be welcomed, sure it means you cannot be king of the castle for life, but hey that is probably a good thing. Really it is the power mongers who we should be against, those who aspire to leadership.
In Plato's Republic, he advocated reluctant leaders, those who did not wish to lead, and equipped with the wisdom and knowledge to lead should be the leaders. And you know what he is right, power just corrupts people, and those who aspire to power get corrupted a darn sight faster than those who don't.
Our style of democracy is not great either, labour rigged the last election, oh let's change the boundaries and really we should have at least proportional representation by now.
China and Russia have the problem of land mass, they are both too large, so the only things that work there are rule by iron fists or they will devolve, and people who live there generally know this. Well I say let them devolve and the world will be a better place with more countries. I don't think a one world is possible not without substantial lose of human life, and a lower living standard.
Is it just me....
Or does this remind anyone else of that scene from pulp fiction?
Disidency (sic) is not an end in itself. As for "reluctant leaders", perhaps you mean like Emperor Tiberius, who wrote at some length how he was forced to wield power he didn't believe in. His reign was no fairer or less corrupt than anyone elses. A lot was written deploring the state of moral decay, but nothing was changed. And Tiberius chose as his successors Nero and Caligula, famously bad choices, so the choice of the "reluctant leader" is no better than anyone elses'.
Sounds like you're getting depressed. Perhaps you need a holiday.
> Mind you the UK police shot someone in the head and somehow got away with it.
"Got away" with exactly what, Matt? Do you mean all 141,000+ police in England & Wales popped off a shot each at him, or did all the Scottish officers shoot him as well? The streets sure are just not safe with all those homicidal police running about, all the hours of day and night...
> They've also taken to upping their intimidation of political protests.
Yeah, Matt... seeing as Britain has become the world's exemplar for political repression, and for the complete eradication of free speech, why not sod off to somewhere like Russia or China, where of course you will have complete freedom to say anything you want to, to inflict criminal damage on public property, and to seriously assault the poor sods who have to constrain your worst excesses in order to enable other less interested but more conservative citizens to go about their daily lives unhindered?
Oops, sorry, those are places where you are more likely to be shot in the head, aren't they? Decisions, decisions...life's a bitch, ain't it...?
In the long term, Russian efforts to regain political control over the Caucasus may backfire. Wait until the Ossetians start setting off bombs in Moscow because Russian suppresses Ossetian nationalism. Just like Chechnya. The same issues will vex attempts to absorb Abkhazia as well once the Abkhazians wake up to the fact that the Russians do not love them, merely want the offshore oil, and don't give a damn about Abkhazian cultural and linguistic aspirations.
in soviet russia,
search enginen finds you....
Don't cross Godwin's Law...
...or step on the cracks in the pavement.
Calling someone a Nazi because their views on (say) abortion differ from yours adds nothing to the discussion and can easily forebode a descent into name-calling. Calling someone a Nazi because their views are identical to the ones espoused in "Mein Kampf" is another matter entirely.
If Nashi do resemble the Hitler Youth, they can be compared to them. No problem. And no snarking about Godwin's Law.
"Adolf Eichmann! You are charged with the mass-murder of Jews in the Nazi extermination camps. How do you plead?"
"Ha ha! You said 'Nazi'! I plead Godwin's Law!"
@AC-Ooo you said "if you like it so much etc"
I want a new Godwins law to cover that.
Leave Putin alone!!
What a rubbish way to 'deal with a problem'
Obviously not the professionals dealing with this, but a bunch of complete amateurs who were asked to "deal with a problem" and dealt with it without thinking it through.
In the old KGB days, if they had wanted to '404' a webmaster, they'd have done it properly.
... to read a bunch of IT nerds squabble about something they think to understand 'cause they read the news...
P.S. Most of the Georgian wine on sale is counterfeit... even if bought in Georgia
Every time Georgia comes up
I'm amazed how many of the Reg readers just blithely believe the spin that US/UK have put on this incident.
Georgia and Russia have been 'peace keeping' in South Ossetia for a while, during which the Ossetians had a nice little unoffical poll and decided that they didnt want to be part of a Georgia. Georgia didn't like this, and decided to retake South Ossetia by force. The Ossetians turned to the peacekeepers they had left and asked for help. Russia then let the bear off the leash and gave Georgia a bit of a beating and, as seems to be the vogue for disputed regions these days, recognised their claim to independence. Nothing NATO hasn't done recently..
When this first happened, new reports were impartial, information was sketchy but accurate: Georgia attacked S. Ossetia, Russia retaliated. Fast forward one day, the spin machines are in motion, and suddenly it is Russian territorial agression.. Milliband is the worst, most of the stuff he comes up with is straight out of Yes Minister.
I'm sure the Russians will use it like that (Georgia: big hint, you aren't getting either back now), but FFS, who decided shelling Russian citizens in a region adjacent to Russia filled with Russian troops would be a good idea? They must have top politicians in Georgia to come up with plans like that.
@RW - I reckon for a good while Russia will be happy with 'autonomous regions'. You see how close the BTC pipeline runs to South Ossetia? Thats shelling range, that is.
I bet Azerbaijan wished that it had made up with Armenia (hah! fat chance) rather than running it through Georgia.
There is no such thing as free and democratic Russia
I'm just know looking a Dutch documentary about the murder of Anna Politkovskaya, a very famous Russian journalist who uncovered the atrocities of Russian authorities. And in this view Russia looks as a really hostile and terrible country.
The free world doesn't react but just tells bullshit about energy needs.
@AC Every time Georgia comes up.
Thank you for that, exactly right. There are no good guys in this little fracas and I don't expect there to be any winners either. It's the same old crap as usual agro over oil.(and gas)
In plain view at least.
Just shot him in the head and dumped him outside a hospital, classy.
It's funny how the Brishit and the Yanks also kill people daily but they're so good at press management that it doesn't even get out. It's always a "heart attack" or yet another unexpected "suicide". It's funny/sad how everyone suddenly jumps on Russia when they do it; how churlish.
Also I can't remember the last time Russia invaded a country and bought about the death of almost a million people, and displaced millions more, leaving them without food, water, electricity, basic medical supplies. Cough...I think a little perspective is needed here.
And, if someone shot pretty much all the journalists in this country, I for one would fucking have a party and send whoever was responsible a six-pack and a slice of cake. Imagine the good it would do! Mind you, the Brishit and American press never ask any awkward questions or really criticise incisively or in the wrong place or in any meaningful way that would bring about change, so they're very unlikely to piss anyone off enough to get shot. Pathetic really.
Springsteen: "And the poets down here don't write nothing at all, they just stand back and let it all be - And in the quick of the night, they wind up wounded, not even dead...tonight...in...Jungleland".
Sadly, the leader of the Republican party (he has never been the President of the United States, he never made that transition) has destroyed his, and thus our credibility in the world. He mocked and disregarded, if not out right slandered the very institutions that are needed. His unilateralist approach being whispered into McSame's ear by the neo-con advisors mean 4 more years of the same bankrupt moral stance.
Many look at Putin (who Bush said he saw a kindred spirit in his eyes... God how apropos) and Bush and see little difference. What do the Republican's offer as the future? A 72 year old man and a bimbo who just a couple of years ago was a local councilwoman...
It really is time for Europe to take the lead, if they are waiting for leadership from this country, unless Obama wins, you ain't gonna get it. Good luck!
Here we go again. Russia seems to be becoming yet another despotic state, except this time instead of "communism" it's outright plutocracy that rules the roost.
Still, maybe the next few decades will be Russia's, since the US seems to have pissed away all the good will it has ever managed to accumulate?
Should I prepare to welcome our Russian overlords yet?
So do you remember Sami al-Haj ?
So in a place called Amerika a land where El Presidente Bushco has rescinded it's so called paper tiger constitution in his endless war to terrorize and spy upon his own citizens and voters(not many after you deduct the Diebold inflater figures on the electronic machines and the midnight restuff the paper ballot box after the observers were physically escorted from the premises and when they called in at the appointed time to continue the count from where they left off the local attorney general had sealed the boxes and declared the winner at supposedly one minute after midnight ) the venal and corrupt polis forces across the land routinely intimidate , beat a la "Rodney King Style", shoot or kill innocent bystanders on a regular basis .
And for those with the short five second memories of a goldfish perhaps a revisit to the tactics used by the current Bushco oil/bank/antquity museum thieves evil army of occupation of Iraq who are directly in towns like Falluja(white phosphorous was used indiscrimantly and the army snipers were knowingly shooting at eight year old children as a sport to boost their kill scores) or indirectly responsible for the deaths of upwards of one million local residential peons caught in their badly aimed crossfire for well over ten years now and numerous other unreported deeds of body harm to innocent fellow human beings in places like Abu Ghraib ,Bagram Air Base or Diego Garcia , or the fate of an innocent journalist by the name of Sami al-Haj from December 15th 2001 to this date in a place called Guantanamo Bay .
Choices says who , only in which democracy was it again ?
I'm no fan of Russia, but a lot of western media seems to be leaving a few convenient facts out of the news.
1) S. Ossetia, etc. all declared or tried to declare independence shortly after the breakup of the USSR (this would imply that the problem existed before the breakup, it's unlikely Russia had expansionist plans so shortly after the breakup).
2) Russian /peacekeepers/ have been present in S. Ossetia for a long time, this isn't a recent thing.
3) Many S. Ossetians own Russian passports. (No I don't care how they got them, most governments have it in their constitution that they will protect their own citizens even when they're outside the country).
I doubt the oil pipeline is the target, my personal opinion is that S. Ossetia is an important smuggling route, and if Georgia / NATO controlled the tunnel between the two countries, then very little would be smuggled. I'll even go so far as to say that I suspect all the Russian enclaves / de facto republics outside Russia are important smuggling routes with the exception of the Crimea which contains a large military base.
The western media has done a pretty shite job on reporting about Georgia.
Regards the register story, I don't doubt it, I do doubt that anyone will come forward as a witness even if the police shot him in the head in front of a crowd.
Great, unstable country equipped with 30k nukes. Stupid USA will need to open its retarded mouth and piss them off some more too.
You have got to give the police balls.
They shot him in the head and then said he went for a gun... didn't actually say why they dumped him at hospital...
Putins is living an ego that his country is paying for. It won't end well as the States will only go against it on principle as they have always rattled sabers about how Russia is changing. The Eu will only follow suit in the end, only this time round half of russia's power base will be on the side of the EU (or in it)
Either way our decrepit country won't be up to the task of defending us.
Oh for Godwin's Sake!
Mention Hitler or the Nazi party online and everyone starts with Godwin! This was more subtle so I call "reductio ad Nazium", simple. subtle comparison to Nazism without stopping the discussion!
'Is it just me or does this remind anyone else of that scene from pulp fiction?'
Is there a sign on the front of our hospital that says 'Dead Ingushetian Storage'?
"I bet Azerbaijan wished that it had made up with Armenia (hah! fat chance) rather than running it through Georgia."
Once you're not going to run the pipeline through Iran or Russia, there's no real advantage to running it through Armenia instead of Georgia. The disadvantages are that you couldn't ever build a spur to Black Sea ports (there aren't any) and that that would require Azerbaijan to accept the occupation of Nagorno-Karabagh and the adjacent land corridor - which would require the govt to resettle the 10% of the population that are refugees (IDPs) - which would require massive investment - which would initiate popular conversations about where all the money is going in Az - which would rip the regime apart.
"my personal opinion is that S. Ossetia is an important smuggling route...I suspect all the Russian enclaves / de facto republics outside Russia are important smuggling routes with the exception of the Crimea"
Yes - huge amounts of arms trafficking and currency counterfeiting in Ossetia, Transdnistria etc.
"The same issues will vex attempts to absorb Abkhazia as well once the Abkhazians wake up to the fact that the Russians do not love them, merely want the offshore oil, and don't give a damn about Abkhazian cultural and linguistic aspirations."
The Abkhazian leadership and population are not fools and have no illusions about Moscow's benevolence - 70 years of Soviet rule cleared that up. The leadership will be bought out or maybe even get a chance to swim in a bigger political pond, and the population will get out from under Tbilisi and get tourism jobs (from the Russians) and a Russian passport (and the chance to work in construction or retail in big Russian cities, where there's a hell of a lot more opportunity than in Abkhazia).
Paris, because she thinks Abkhaz is the youngest Kardashian sister.
> I don't think Europe (or the Yankee Doodle Dandies) are appeasing Russia.
I don't think Europe or the US are doing anything meaningful at all, which is the same as appeasing in this situation. It's 1956 and 1968 all over again, lots of verbal "support" and propaganda with little in the way of doing or being able to do anything about it. It's even more ironic considering that Condi-whatshername Rice herself made the reference to 1968.
Everybody knows that the conflict in Georgia will end when the Russians decide so and the way the decide to end it.
Someone wake up and smell the election ink
I thought i was slow last week when i read the article dated back in May 2008 that announced that Vladimir Putin is no longer the russian president, he left office on 7 May 2008 and was replaced by Dmitry Medvedev.
you can read all about it here:
as much as i agree that russia is ever corrupt and so on, Vladimir Putin is not the correct evil to blame on this...
That's not how I remember it
This is what I remember..........
"More than 15 persons were killed as Georgian armed forces launched fresh offensive late Thursday against separatists from the breakaway region of South Ossetia near the regional capital Tskhinvali, media reports said.
The conflict came close on the heels of a ceasefire offer to South Ossetia from Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili following days of clashes. He urged South Ossetian separatist leaders to join direct talks on resolving the conflict. South Ossetia had also agreed to hold fire until talks.
But a Georgian government statement said separatists launched mortar and artillery attacks on two villages Thursday evening and Georgian forces were forced to respond proportionately to restore order."
What are the Georgians supposed to do? Go to the Russian peacekeepers and say
"yeah, you remember those mortars you gave to the South Ossetians... well, uhh they're using them on us, so could you go ahead and confiscate that stuff and arrest them?"
The Great Bear
still alive and kicking.
They will dominate Europe soon, and the next country in population size, no points for guessing which one that is, will most likely mobilize; if centuries of history are anything to go by.
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